Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Carlos Danger]

From what I've heard/read, the Yankees aren't going to be very active if/when they sign DJ. They lost a lot of money due to Covid and don't want to increase payroll by too much. So I'd be surprised if they signed anyone significant before DJ is signed. They want to bring him back.

 

The Yankees need pitching though. You don't think they will even make an offer to Tanaka? If they are going to spend $$ on Tanaka, I think they would rather go younger and new shiny toy with Sugano. Also part and parcel to that... DJL makes a difference because we saw they were talking to the Pirates about Taillion and Bell.

 

So, if they sign DJL, they keep Torres at SS and use prospect capital for pitching. If they don't, they might need to use prospect capital they would otherwise use in a Tallion (SP acquisition) to go after Lindor or Story. If they can't go after SPs with prospect capital because allocated elsewhere, they spend more for FA SPs including Sugano etc..

 

Basically DJL is a huge domino that needs to fall..

[Carlos Danger]

If Springer signs with the Mets (which seems very likely), JBJ is the next best CF option. He'd be a really good stopgap option in CF. There will likely be real competition for him, though.

 

Springer to the Mets, JBj to the Phillies, book it!

[G-Snarls]

The Yankees need pitching though. You don't think they will even make an offer to Tanaka? If they are going to spend $$ on Tanaka, I think they would rather go younger and new shiny toy with Sugano. Also part and parcel to that... DJL makes a difference because we saw they were talking to the Pirates about Taillion and Bell.

 

So, if they sign DJL, they keep Torres at SS and use prospect capital for pitching. If they don't, they might need to use prospect capital they would otherwise use in a Tallion (SP acquisition) to go after Lindor or Story. If they can't go after SPs with prospect capital because allocated elsewhere, they spend more for FA SPs including Sugano etc..

 

Basically DJL is a huge domino that needs to fall..

 

If they don't re sign Tanaka then I'm even more worried about his elbow

[vaff]

MLB radio guys are saying the Yankees first SP target, if Bauer doesn't sign with them is Sugano. They prefer Sugano over Tanaka... Jays will have some bigtime competition...

 

The Yankees aren’t going to sign Bauer. Not only for money reasons, but also for the fact that Bauer and Cole hate each other with a passion.

[wilko]

The Yankees aren’t going to sign Bauer. Not only for money reasons, but also for the fact that Bauer and Cole hate each other with a passion.

 

You got proof they hate each other?

 

He says otherwise here:

[vaff]

You got proof they hate each other?

 

He says otherwise here:

 

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/new-york-yankees-analysis-trevor-bauer-gerrit-cole-feud-the-real-story-here-videos/

 

 

Bauer claims he has no issue with Cole, but he clearly does.

 

At the same time, former UCLA assistant coach Rich Vanderhook spoke of the feud and said of the likelihood that hey would make up and be friends:

 

“I would have to say the odds of the earth burning up are better than that, told USA TODAY Sports. “That’s not going to happen. It’s just not. They are opposites, just such complete opposites.

[Ray]

The Yankees aren’t going to sign Bauer. Not only for money reasons, but also for the fact that Bauer and Cole hate each other with a passion.

 

That makes sense, because there couldn’t possibly have been a locker room during the course of history that featured two teammates that hated each other.

[G-Snarls]

Blue Jays Sign Tyler White, Forrest Wall To Minors ContractsDecember 15th, 2020 at 11:17am CST • By Mark Polishuk

 

The Blue Jays have signed first baseman Tyler White and outfielder Forrest Wall to minor league contracts, according to FanSided’s Robert Murray (Twitter link). Both players have been invited to Toronto’s big league Spring Training camp.

[vaff]

That makes sense, because there couldn’t possibly have been a locker room during the course of history that featured two teammates that hated each other.

 

No need to be a sarcastic wise ass.

 

Are they honestly going to sign a guy that would force a guy they just paid over $300 mil for, hang out with a guy he hates all year? Especially when they’re trying to both cut payroll and re-sign DJ LeMahieu?

[glory]

The Yankees need pitching though. You don't think they will even make an offer to Tanaka? If they are going to spend $$ on Tanaka, I think they would rather go younger and new shiny toy with Sugano. Also part and parcel to that... DJL makes a difference because we saw they were talking to the Pirates about Taillion and Bell.

 

So, if they sign DJL, they keep Torres at SS and use prospect capital for pitching. If they don't, they might need to use prospect capital they would otherwise use in a Tallion (SP acquisition) to go after Lindor or Story. If they can't go after SPs with prospect capital because allocated elsewhere, they spend more for FA SPs including Sugano etc..

 

Basically DJL is a huge domino that needs to fall..

 

They don't seem to want Tanaka back regardless. Could be related to his always risky elbow, or maybe they view him as a backup in case they can't sign DJ. They could be in on Sugano, I have no idea, but from everything that has been speculated, it seems the Yankees are all in on DJ and that they don't want to spend much more than that. So my guess is their off season will be re-signing DJ and then making some smaller SP moves via FA or trade.

[Ray]

No need to be a sarcastic wise ass.

 

Are they honestly going to sign a guy that would force a guy they just paid over $300 mil for, hang out with a guy he hates all year? Especially when they’re trying to both cut payroll and re-sign DJ LeMahieu?

 

Baseball dugouts and clubhouses are huge. They can be situated as far away from each other as possible and have absolutely zero contact with each other if they really wanted to. They literally don't even have to speak to each other. It's not like they're two guys hanging in the bullpen or there is a relationship that needs to be maintained like catchers and pitchers. SP's are probably the one role in baseball that are relatively isolated from the rest of the team in general.

 

If the Yankees really wanted Bauer, they wouldn't let a petty college feud get in the way of making their team significantly better. They traded for Alex Rodriguez full well knowing the friction he and Jeter had with each other, and they played directly besides each other.

[Carlos Danger]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

[BTS]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

 

I don't really get it. Did they also criticize the Braves for giving Morton 15M? Gasuman might actually be quite good.

[Laika]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

 

You need to stop listening to these radio stations, lmao.

[Carlos Danger]

I don't really get it. Did they also criticize the Braves for giving Morton 15M? Gasuman might actually be quite good.

 

The point they were making is that there is nothing San Francisco can realistically do this off season to become better then LAD and SD. Gausman was a SSS this past season and he would never have got close to close to $19 million in FA. They couldn't even give him away for free to any team for the $19 million this coming year. So what is the point of that spend for 2021?? Not signed long term, no draft pick etc..

[Laika]

The point they were making is that there is nothing San Francisco can realistically do this off season to become better then LAD and SD. Gausman was a SSS this past season and he would never have got close to close to $19 million in FA. They couldn't even give him away for free to any team for the $19 million this coming year. So what is the point of that spend for 2021?? Not signed long term, no draft pick etc..

 

If Gausman is this good going forward he could be one of the best SP available at the deadline.

[RobinThicc]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

 

I think Rosenthal said the jays offered him like 40 million.

[L54]

That's why those guys are on the radio and not making personnel decisions

[wilko]

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/new-york-yankees-analysis-trevor-bauer-gerrit-cole-feud-the-real-story-here-videos/

 

 

Bauer claims he has no issue with Cole, but he clearly does.

 

I'm sure Bauer rubs a lot of people the wrong way with his personality. Cole just seems like a chill dude that doesn't want to deal with it. I doubt they still hate each other years later. That would be kinda petty.

[Brownie19]

I'm not sure Cole comes off as the best teammate. He's always been a 'me first' guy

[G-Snarls]

I'm not sure Cole comes off as the best teammate. He's always been a 'me first' guy

 

He's been a vocal complainer his whole career. He was complaining about his salary in Pittsburgh long before he finally started living up to his potential. He can't complain about his salary any more LOL.

He started a brawl one time. He complains about teams who aren't trying to win. He complains to Boone and the Yankees pitching coach when he's pulled from.games sometimes but that's not always a bad sign it sometimes just means competitiveness.

 

Ovetall not sure how he is to deal with as a teammate.

[Vdubfan]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

 

This was mind numbing to listen to this morning. They weren't sourced up, they just assumed the Giants were expecting him to turn down the QO to net them a draft pick. Which, this doesn't even make sense because mot people expected him to take the QO, but the Jays offer of $40M was enough to at least make him think on it. Plus with the loss of draft pick, the Jays valued him at ~$45M. If they would give up 3/45 for Gausman, of COURSE they'd take him at 1/19...

 

None of them seem capable at looking at anything but ERA, or how he performed in Baltimore. Eduardo did kind of run through some of the improved peripherals, but Bowden and Phillips just couldn't move on from how much of an atrocity it was to "double the salary" of someone like Gausman. Which begs the questions, if he was able to land $9M last offseason and had a great 10 starts, what would they be willing to pay him now? Is $12M reasonable? $14M? So they're losing it on the radio over what they perceive as like $4-6M overpay on a one year deal? How is that little money the reason for calling it an atrocious move? Idiots...

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

The Jays have been in touch with star KBO SS Ha-Seong Kim and he’s someone they like. He also recently had dinner with Jays ace Hyun-Jin Ryu. Kim hit a career best 30 HR for the Kiwoom Heroes this past year. Just turned 25.

[G-Snarls]

Kim

 

A CF

 

A front line starter

 

Let's rock

[Ray]

Not sure if this has been covered here before. However, a bunch of former GMs, players etc on MLB radio talking about how the Giants really screwed up and made a huge error in their QO for Gausman.

 

Apparently the Blue Jays were planning on going hard after Gausman in FA for a 4th starter type. The Giants thought Gausman would want a multi-year deal and they could snake a draft pick. The Giants were sure other teams would give multiple year deals and Gausman would want that. Really threw them for a loop and screwed them financially when Gausman accepted the QO.

 

Unanimous agreement that Farid really screwed up.

 

This is why they're not GM's anymore.

[glory]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

The Jays have been in touch with star KBO SS Ha-Seong Kim and he’s someone they like. He also recently had dinner with Jays ace Hyun-Jin Ryu. Kim hit a career best 30 HR for the Kiwoom Heroes this past year. Just turned 25.

 

The good thing about this is that there is a deadline to sign him (Jan 1). So we will know within 2 weeks whether he's a Jay or not. Not sure what Sugano's date is, could be a week or later. So if the Jays have interest in both then shouldn't be too much longer to find out what the end result is. The other FA's might bleed into Feb/March.

[Orgfiller]

Man I'd love to come out of this posting period with both Kim and Sugano. Sugano's NPB numbers are excellent, they're like a carbon copy of Tanaka's, with the caveat of course that the latter was significantly younger. If you're thinking the downside is he could be another Kikuchi, that's true, but it should be noted that Sugano's performance has been quite a bit better. If you're thinking his age could be a negative, also a valid concern, but Hisashi Iwakuma anyone?

[Jimcanuck]

Kim and Sugano only cost money, which the Jays have plenty of. Optimistic the Jays get at least 1.

[saskjayfan]

Sugano has too much risk for me. If we had a stable rotation, maybe. Didn't Yamaguchi lead the NPB in strikeouts lol? Guy was throwing poo last year. Pitchers without velo are scary. What if he can't get comfortable with the MLB ball or something.

 

I would not be comfortable with 3/5ths of the rotation being Sugano/Ray/Roark. That's potentially very bad.

 

There are a lot more proven MLB names still out there. I mean, you can keep signing low-ish AAV guys but eventually you've just filled the rotation with a lot of meh.

 

I agree....Kim and Paxton please......Bauer too if that's not too greedy..lol.

[Jays24]

Jeff Passan on Tim and Sid said that he would pick the Jays landing Springer. There is enough mutual interest on both sides to make it happen. Just need to avoid a team coming in and offering enough to change things.