Brownie19

Just another quick reminder. Catchers often take time to reach their full potential - particularly with the bat, which often lags behind the defense. We wanted to win in 2023-2026. Instead of letting Moreno develop in a part-time role with Kirk, we got a starting OFer who already had some serious success (4.3 WAR season in 2022) and was entering his prime years. There was always risk that Moreno would develop into a star at some point, just as there was also risk he'd flame out, or battle injuries (which he has). If you think you can predict these outcomes with a high success rate, then you're pretty ignorant. If you're in a position to win in 2023, you take the risk he becomes a star in 2026 or 2027 as that may be beyond your window of opportunity. Did Varsho underperform in Toronto? Yes, to some extent. There was certainly a possibility he gave us 16+ WAR in his 4 years in Toronto. But we ended up with a middling result that was impacted by a serious shoulder injury and an inconsistent bat. These things happen. Let's not pretend like even the all-time great GM's in baseball don't have similar results.

Thanks - I didn't know that. I now understand why the run counted last night. It's the same situation, only we didn't appeal that he didn't tag up (or left early?) from 3rd. It's insane how many players on the field didn't know how many outs there were.

I have a question. If the guy on 3rd knew there was only 1 out and he did tag up and score, but the guy on 1st thought it was 2 out and he mistakenly keeps running. The Jays throw to first, to double him off, but the guy tagging scores before the throw makes it to first - does that run actually count? Is that timing play? I wouldn't have thought so, but based on what happened last night, I'm not questioning myself.

On the radio broadcast, they said the scoreboard was corrected right as the ball was hit in the air. The radio broadcast also said the home plate umpire had signaled to start the warm up clock for the Red Sox shortly after the 3rd out was made at 1st base - which is why the Jays were arguing they weren't given a reasonable amount of time to appeal the play.

Jac is a beast. Looks like he's going to be a stud offensively. Pairs nicely with Witt.

Honest question - how much concern is there that his BB/9 remains 5+ with only marginal improvement over last year? Does that matter as much in the lower minors, or is it a reason to slow the promotions? Or do teams not care about that too much until AA/AAA? For a team that seems to target big time arms with control issues, it's a tad concerning we've seen little to no improvement from King or Stanifer this year. Stanifer has been awful. Drafting and development remains our achilles heel.

I was looking through the stats from our Top 30 prospects just yesterday. I think it's safe to say a lot of our prospects have stalled. Looks like the guys in the minors are playing about as poor as the big club is. Arias, Sanchez, Stanifer, Bloss, Hechavarria, Schreck, Barrriera, Piasentin, Duran, Cook, Coffey, etc. All steps back - in some cases, massive ones. It happens, and there have been some nice surprises like Perry and Harry, but the farms looks pretty barren these days.

You seem new. Can we just cut the chase here - are you a troll, or just not very smart?

I think you'll be surprised what type of pitcher you get for $11M. It's definitely 7th/8th guys.

Hit the playoffs on a heater eh? Could we be the 2007 Rockies? How fun would that be?

Or if the offense scored more, or the starters didn't give up as many runs, or we played better defense, or we ran the bases better. Bieber - 5 2/3, 5 ER Bullpen - 5 2/3, 1 ER Stupid bullpen blew it!

Correct - if we go on some amazing 1 in 20 run, we're going to miss Hoffman. I think he's just pointing out how ironic it is that there have been several fans claiming Hoffman cost us the World Series and that he has cost us the playoffs this year, etc. There's never really been a shortage of fans hating on Hoffman at any given time. He's been the scapegoat for awhile now. We trade the guy and suddenly, there's people commenting about how much he is missed. It isn't necessarily the same people making those 2 comments, but it's still kinda funny.

That would have been nice - but I don't think that's the reason to keep him. We got 3 prospects for him and can simply use the $11M we were going to pay him next year to sign someone else in the offseason. Dasan Hill might be the best prospect we acquired at the deadline.

Indeed, but I suspect he opted to join a playoff team...