Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[glory]

Jays were linked to him a couple weeks back.

 

MLBTR lists the Jays as "reported to have interest in Kim"

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/latest-on-ha-seong-kims-posting-date.html

 

If the Jays have been linked to him and it's not based on a Morosi tweet, then that's good. The Ryu connection/friendship would certainly help in that case. Of course the Jays have been interested in everyone this winter according to baseball media.

[Orgfiller]

MLBTR lists the Jays as "reported to have interest in Kim"

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/latest-on-ha-seong-kims-posting-date.html

 

The Jays have been reported to be interested in literally everyone available, I wouldn't read too much into it.

[jerb]

[Jimcanuck]

Lindor, then Springer.

 

Would everyone be happy with that?

[Jays24]

Lindor, then Springer.

 

Would everyone be happy with that?

 

2 of the top players at their respective positions playing the most important spots on the field in their primes. All while batting in the top 3rd of the order and moving other players to positions they can be even more productive in.

 

I guueeessss id be okay with that lol.

[Carlos Danger]

 

Sounds like the Rockies might move Story also.... Might be some competition going on that will lessen the cost..

[Jays24]

With rumours of Lindor... lets say in free agency we get Springer but then trade Gurriel or sign Realmuto and then trade Kirk. Would you rather have Springer/Kirk or Realmuto/Gurriel to go alongside Lindor?

 

Yes, I realize we'd probably have to give up more if Kirk is the main player going out for Lindor.

[saskjayfan]

We've had good luck with Koreans. Time for the Jays to sign Kim.

[Jimcanuck]

We've had good luck with Koreans. Time for the Jays to sign Kim.

 

Sign everyone!

[G-Snarls]

Sign everyone!

 

Yes!

 

Normally I'd lack enthusiasm but then I remind myself...

 

There is only approx 70M committed to the 2021 payroll so far. We have a bunch of young talented players making league minimum. The only salaries of 10M plus are to Roark, Grichuk and Ryu. We only have to pay Troll Tulowitski 4 million dollars next year LOL. The team seems committed to winning soon and building. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to see payroll go to what, 110-120M maybe? I'd love to know how high ownership will let Atkins go this unusual off season. There are game changing players available and the division might be a little softer than usual....

[Deadpool]

We've had good luck with Koreans. Time for the Jays to sign Kim.

 

The more I think about Kim, the more I like him as a fit for the Jays. And the price range that I've seen (5 years, $40-60M) is reasonable and well within the budget. Don't know if I'd go much higher than 5/$60 for him, but don't think that would be required.

 

Yes, Lindor is a MUCH better player, but he will cost a LOT in terms of prospect capital + an extension (and if we didn't extend him, that would be a disaster of an acquisition...) and I think Kim + what is bought with the extra money we didn't give to Lindor might end up improving the team more. MIGHT.

[G-Snarls]

The more I think about Kim, the more I like him as a fit for the Jays. And the price range that I've seen (5 years, $40-60M) is reasonable and well within the budget. Don't know if I'd go much higher than 5/$60 for him, but don't think that would be required.

 

Yes, Lindor is a MUCH better player, but he will cost a LOT in terms of prospect capital + an extension (and if we didn't extend him, that would be a disaster of an acquisition...) and I think Kim + what is bought with the extra money we didn't give to Lindor might end up improving the team more. MIGHT.

 

I'm totally down for Kim if we also sign Springer and use our trade chips for a frontline starter instead of for Lindor. I'm also good signing Bauer and trading for an OF or 3B/SS. (Arenado/Story/Lindor etc)

 

There are lots of ways of improving the team.

Edited December 10, 2020 by G-Snarls

[Carlos Danger]

Is Kim a vast improvement on Semien who we could probably sign to a shorter deal until our studs arrive? Semien is 1 year removed from 3rd in MVP voting and had like a 1200 OPS down the stretch and in the playoffs..

[Brownie19]

Is Kim a vast improvement on Semien who we could probably sign to a shorter deal until our studs arrive? Semien is 1 year removed from 3rd in MVP voting and had like a 1200 OPS down the stretch and in the playoffs..

 

Probably not, but one of the big positives in Kim over Semien is he's only 25 so if you get him for 4 years, you should get his prime years, which align nicely with our window. Semien is entering his age 31 season, so he'd be more of a short term filler - and we have no idea if he has any interest in moving to 3rd (if the Jays wanted to move him there).

[Orgfiller]

Is Kim a vast improvement on Semien who we could probably sign to a shorter deal until our studs arrive? Semien is 1 year removed from 3rd in MVP voting and had like a 1200 OPS down the stretch and in the playoffs..

 

So you acknowledge that Semien is coming off an MVP caliber year (following a 3.8 WAR season btw) and think he'll be looking for a shorter/cheaper deal lol? Kim is probably not an improvement on Semien at all, rather a downgrade, but he'll be cheaper and is younger.

[Carlos Danger]

So you acknowledge that Semien is coming off an MVP caliber year (following a 3.8 WAR season btw) and think he'll be looking for a shorter/cheaper deal lol? Kim is probably not an improvement on Semien at all, rather a downgrade, but he'll be cheaper and is younger.

 

I don't think in this market, Semien gets more than 4 years max, or you can front load or something shorter with higher AV. My point is too we really have no good idea IMO how Kim would translate to MLB. Whereas, Semien has MLB metrics and would be a good veteran presence in the IF to bridge the gap.

 

In other words, you are paying 4 years max for something you know vs something that is IMO an unknown and you will be stuck with if it fails.

[connorp]

So you acknowledge that Semien is coming off an MVP caliber year (following a 3.8 WAR season btw) and think he'll be looking for a shorter/cheaper deal lol? Kim is probably not an improvement on Semien at all, rather a downgrade, but he'll be cheaper and is younger.

 

I just don’t get how you take 3.8 WAR and assume that’s accurate. He was a negative defender for his first 5 years in the league and then his 28yo season he suddenly found his way and was +15.6? I realize he followed up with another such season but still, something is weird there clearly.

 

What’s not weird is he’s only been more than league average with the bat 1 time on his 7 year career. Pretty sure latest contract predictions I saw was 2-3 years

[G-Snarls]

Yadi Molina's agent has stated that the Cardinals have only made him a "ridiculous" offer

 

What teams would want in? Tampa? New York? Angels?

[glory]

Semien would be a good target if the Jays needed a SS. If they sign Kim he's likely going to play 3B, whereas Semien may want to stick at short, especially if he has to sign a shorter deal. I think the only acquisition who would take Bo off SS is Lindor.

[connorp]

Semien would be a good target if the Jays needed a SS. If they sign Kim he's likely going to play 3B, whereas Semien may want to stick at short, especially if he has to sign a shorter deal. I think the only acquisition who would take Bo off SS is Lindor.

 

Didi’s D is about same averaged out and he’s more likely to provide plus offense. If he’s 2-3 years $12-14aav, Semien shouldn’t be more

[Carlos Danger]

Semien would be a good target if the Jays needed a SS. If they sign Kim he's likely going to play 3B, whereas Semien may want to stick at short, especially if he has to sign a shorter deal. I think the only acquisition who would take Bo off SS is Lindor.

 

Or Trevor Story.. Don't forget he is also available..

[The Iceman]

Give me Simmons on a 1 year

 

Then Story as a FA next off season.

[max silver]

I just don’t get how you take 3.8 WAR and assume that’s accurate. He was a negative defender for his first 5 years in the league and then his 28yo season he suddenly found his way and was +15.6? I realize he followed up with another such season but still, something is weird there clearly.

 

What’s not weird is he’s only been more than league average with the bat 1 time on his 7 year career. Pretty sure latest contract predictions I saw was 2-3 years

 

I recall Semien's agent mentioning that Semien is worth a 9 figure contract, so it sounds like his asking price is initially very high. Unless there is a decimal place missing in the asking price though there's no way in hell Semien is going to approach an actual 9 figure offer though.

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Blue Jays are among teams to show interest in Justin Turner. They’ve looked at a multitude of infielders, outfielders and others so hard to tell which way they’ll go. They did have success signing Turner’s teammate Hyun-Jin Ryu, who had a big first year in Toronto/Buffalo.

[G-Snarls]

Turner would be great too. Perennial 3-5 WAR, 130 wRC+ and will get a short term deal at 36.

 

There really are some good options for the Jays

[The Iceman]

Too old, will be too expensive. Hoping he resigns in LA. Pretty much my least fav name FA

[L54]

Justin Turner on a two year deal would make me very happy. I would rather go that route and add a couple bullpen arms and a starter than sign Realmuto to a five year contract.

 

The Jays have the ability to spend, but that doesn’t mean they have to this off-season. If they miss out on Springer/Bauer/DJLM then address the roster by making more moderate splashes and bolster the floor of this team.

 

Lock up one of Biggio/Bo/Vlad. I think that’s just as important to the long term viability of the team. If you max out payroll now by paying Lindor and Realmuto 50M/year for the next five years things could end up looking like the Cubs real quick.

[connorp]

Too old, will be too expensive. Hoping he resigns in LA. Pretty much my least fav name FA

 

Well you’re in luck because out of the other 100 names Jays are linked to, seems he’d be one of the more unlikely candidates to come to Toronto. Doesn’t stop them from letting everyone know they called his agent though

[keggy]

If you max out payroll now by paying Lindor and Realmuto 50M/year for the next five years things could end up looking like the Cubs real quick.

 

It's pretty interesting that the Cubs went from the exemplar of tanking to build a dynasty to what amounted to a pretty standard window of competitiveness.

 

After 2016 people were seriously debating how many consecutive World Series they might make. Looking back, their rebuild and playoff run was less impressive than the Phillies teams of the late 2000s.

[L54]

It's pretty interesting that the Cubs went from the exemplar of tanking to build a dynasty to what amounted to a pretty standard window of competitiveness.

 

After 2016 people were seriously debating how many consecutive World Series they might make. Looking back, their rebuild and playoff run was less impressive than the Phillies teams of the late 2000s.

 

Yup. They sold their window for a championship. Can't really fault them for that but it definitely wasn't the model of sustainability.

 

Eloy for Quintana

Torres for two months of Chapman

Soler for a year of Davis

Broke the bank for Heyward

 

It's sexy to see your team making splashes and bringing in big names, but it can catch up to you real quick. The Jays don't need to boost payroll by 70M just because they can.