Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Jimcanuck]

Nope...I'm sure Kim's transition to centre field will go just as smoothly as Vlad's transition to first. Easy peasy.

 

Likelihood is like 95% Kim will make an easy transition and be above average in CF, with his skill set. The Jays did not make the comment that they value his ability to play all across the diamond flippantly. They have more information than we do including the positions he has played in the past in Korea, which may include OF.

[max silver]

:/

 

Welp...

 

LOL I'm Just pulling your leg with the throwing the baseball bit, but there's no denying that Kim is going to face incredibly intense pressure when he makes his way over to North America. In a small way covid will help lower the temperature a little bit, as the likely media circus that would have followed the guy around constantly should be lessened quite a bit.

[saskjayfan]

Likelihood is like 95% Kim will make an easy transition and be above average in CF, with his skill set. The Jays did not make the comment that they value his ability to play all across the diamond flippantly. They have more information than we do including the positions he has played in the past in Korea, which may include OF.

 

I call ********. You've seen a handful of youtube clips and you've come to this conclusion. He's not a defensive wizard in the infield. I think he's probably an average defender in the infield. He doesn't have fantastic arm strength or anything.

 

There's a 95% chance he would be passable in the outfield. 95% chance he's above average? Give me a break. Teoscar hernandez is the fastest guy on the Jays. He comes with a plus arm. Davis had elite speed and was a below average defender. Mike Trout has a seemingly amazing athleticism, but he's at best a tick above league average defensively, but pretty much the average defender in centre. His outfield jump is not that great at all.

 

I believe whole heartedly the Jays should sign Kim. Plan A should be for him to play in the infield.

 

Getting Kim isn't going to stop me from signing Springer to play centre.

[Laika]

I too believe that this Kim CF talk is bonkers. Why would he sign here to play CF? By "across the diamond" the Jays mean 3b, ss, 2b. He might be able to handle CF but I think Toronto would send Biggio out there before Kim

[L54]

Am I wrong here, bud?

 

The best athletes adapt well to different scenarios. The best athletes usually play up the middle. Betting on the best athletes being able to play multiple positions is a fairly safe bet.

 

I don't believe the Jays are interested in Kim playing CF. Around the diamond means infield (first, second, third and home create a diamond).

 

Kim isn't going to sign in Toronto to play CF when other teams will be lining up to let him play SS.

[L54]

They may want him to have the ability to cover CF in a pinch, but I find it highly unlikely that he would sign in Toronto to become the everyday center fielder.

[L54]

LOL I'm Just pulling your leg with the throwing the baseball bit, but there's no denying that Kim is going to face incredibly intense pressure when he makes his way over to North America. In a small way covid will help lower the temperature a little bit, as the likely media circus that would have followed the guy around constantly should be lessened quite a bit.

 

Again, no. Kim will not face intense pressure coming to the league. Why do you think there will be a mob of media and paparazzi surrounding this guy every day? You're acting like it's Barry Bonds coming over from Korea.

[L54]

Its been 2 friggin months of me checking this forum daily hoping something meaningful breaks. Somebody sign already for f***s sake lol.

 

My suggestion is to stop coming here until after Christmas if you're hoping for a big signing. This offseason has been predictably slow, especially after the Mets signed McCann instead of Realmuto.

[Jimcanuck]

They may want him to have the ability to cover CF in a pinch, but I find it highly unlikely that he would sign in Toronto to become the everyday center fielder.

 

Not saying he would be the everyday center fielder. He would be a swiss army knife player.

[L54]

Not saying he would be the everyday center fielder. He would be a swiss army knife player.

 

I shouldn't have said they're not interested in him playing CF. Obviously they're interested if he can or not, I just think if he ends up in Toronto he's playing a lot more on the infield than in CF. Which still leaves the team with a hole in the middle of the outfield.

[saskjayfan]

It's crazy to think that one impactful player has signed in the entire league and Morton wouldn't have been a free agent if the Rays had any money!

 

Feels like the pitching market has stalled and teams want to take a look at Kluber and Paxton before making decisions. This shouldn't effect Bauer's market, but he's having too much fun on twitter to sign anytime soon.

 

Springer is the guy that really seems like he could sign sooner rather than later. Thank goodness Kim has a deadline. If they had posted him on the 26th, which was the original plan, at least we would have something to discuss over Xmas holidays.

[saskjayfan]

I think a lot of teams are waiting to see Kluber throw in January. If the velocity is there, then I don't see why you wouldn't look at him as an impact SP.

 

The best curveball in baseball. If he's sitting 92 with his fastball I would sign him up on the spot!

[Spanky99]

The best athletes adapt well to different scenarios. The best athletes usually play up the middle. Betting on the best athletes being able to play multiple positions is a fairly safe bet.

 

I don't believe the Jays are interested in Kim playing CF. Around the diamond means infield (first, second, third and home create a diamond).

 

Kim isn't going to sign in Toronto to play CF when other teams will be lining up to let him play SS.

 

Yeah right, I'm just saying he could play CF if need be, I want Springer. JBJ would be the consolation prize.

[max silver]

Yeah right, I'm just saying he could play CF if need be, I want Springer. JBJ would be the consolation prize.

 

I'm not particularly enamored with Jackie Bradley Jr. as a center field solution for the Blue Jays. What can we realistically expect him to add to the roster beyond what is already there? Maybe 1 win or so? There should be far better value to be had with the available money than paying 10 million a year for several years for this type of production. He certainly had a nice season with the bat in 2020, but his batted ball numbers don't support the likelihood of him repeating that success. His .343 BABIP looks to have led to much of his WRC+ improvement compared to his previous 3 seasons, but without a corresponding increase in exit velocity, hard hit rate or barrel % he's super unlikely to have that type of success going forward. He has never been a burner in the outfield relying more on great jumps and instincts, but his sprint speeds have been trending downwards for the last 3 seasons, so it's no sure bet that he continues to provide plus defense for much longer.

 

I'd like to see what Jonathan Davis can do with more playing time. He's shown to be a very adept fielder in center field in his limited action, and in his small sample of playing time in 2020 he absolutely pounded the snot out of the baseball with a hard hit rate of nearly 65% and exit velocity approaching 96 MPH. His strikeout numbers were a bit concerning, but that very well may be a blip as he didn't have that much of an issue in his previous major league callups.

[Spanky99]

I'm not particularly enamored with Jackie Bradley Jr. as a center field solution for the Blue Jays. What can we realistically expect him to add to the roster beyond what is already there? Maybe 1 win or so? There should be far better value to be had with the available money than paying 10 million a year for several years for this type of production. He certainly had a nice season with the bat in 2020, but his batted ball numbers don't support the likelihood of him repeating that success. His .343 BABIP looks to have led to much of his WRC+ improvement compared to his previous 3 seasons, but without a corresponding increase in exit velocity, hard hit rate or barrel % he's super unlikely to have that type of success going forward. He has never been a burner in the outfield relying more on great jumps and instincts, but his sprint speeds have been trending downwards for the last 3 seasons, so it's no sure bet that he continues to provide plus defense for much longer.

 

I'd like to see what Jonathan Davis can do with more playing time. He's shown to be a very adept fielder in center field in his limited action, and in his small sample of playing time in 2020 he absolutely pounded the snot out of the baseball with a hard hit rate of nearly 65% and exit velocity approaching 96 MPH. His strikeout numbers were a bit concerning, but that very well may be a blip as he didn't have that much of an issue in his previous major league callups.

 

Dude are you seriously using a 34 PA sample? lol... JBJ>>>>>Davis.

[Spanky99]

My suggestion is to stop coming here until after Christmas if you're hoping for a big signing. This offseason has been predictably slow, especially after the Mets signed McCann instead of Realmuto.

 

That signing f***ed everything up, godammit. f***ing Mets! There'll definitely wont be any signings till after Christmas.

[max silver]

Dude are you seriously using a 34 PA sample? lol... JBJ>>>>>Davis.

 

Why am I not surprised you take the lazy response here by totally ignoring the facts I've provided that show that beyond good defence Jackie Bradley Jr. is not that great of a baseball player. Obviously in a vacuum Jackie Bradley Jr. is a better player than Jonathan Davis. But the key difference is Jonathan Davis makes league minimum, whereas Jackie Bradley Jr. is going to require actual money to sign. The Jays already have 3 outfielders that will likely provide as much if not more value to the club than Bradley, there are multiple avenues to spend the money with more tangible impact. The club has a need for back of the bullpen relievers, still needs several more starters and has a very serious hole in the infield at third base. If the Jays strike out on Springer I see no sense in making a sideways move with Bradley Jr. Why pay two players each $10 million a year who are basically both 4th outfielder quality players (Bradley and Grichuk), that's just wasteful.

[Spanky99]

Why am I not surprised you take the lazy response here by totally ignoring the facts I've provided that show that beyond good defence Jackie Bradley Jr. is not that great of a baseball player. Obviously in a vacuum Jackie Bradley Jr. is a better player than Jonathan Davis. But the key difference is Jonathan Davis makes league minimum, whereas Jackie Bradley Jr. is going to require actual money to sign. The Jays already have 3 outfielders that will likely provide as much if not more value to the club than Bradley, there are multiple avenues to spend the money with more tangible impact. The club has a need for back of the bullpen relievers, still needs several more starters and has a very serious hole in the infield at third base. If the Jays strike out on Springer I see no sense in making a sideways move with Bradley Jr. Why pay two players each $10 million a year who are basically both 4th outfielder quality players (Bradley and Grichuk), that's just wasteful.

 

Well if JBJ is our last choice a 2 year stop gap for 16M isn't a bad choice over JD, that response wasn't lazy, it was correct. I don't need to worry about your "information", I can read fangraphs and baseball savant, Max. Thanks. 4th outfielders usually get 400 AB's or so. It's depth, not wasteful.

[max silver]

Well if JBJ is our last choice a 2 year stop gap for 16M isn't a bad choice over JD, that response wasn't lazy, it was correct. I don't need to worry about your "information", I can read fangraphs and baseball savant, Max. Thanks.

 

Instead of pointless snarky responses why don't you try actually outlining why Jackie Bradley Jr. would be a worthwhile upgrade for the club? I won't hold my breath that you are capable of actual debate though.

 

I'm anxiously awaiting a completely unrelated gif for you to put me in my place Spanky.

[connorp]

Instead of pointless snarky responses why don't you try actually outlining why Jackie Bradley Jr. would be a worthwhile upgrade for the club? I won't hold my breath that you are capable of actual debate though.

 

I'm anxiously awaiting a completely unrelated gif for you to put me in my place Spanky.

 

Gif or YouTube clip*

Honestly he’s not the only person hoping to sign JBJ though. I happen to be firmly in your camp

[Spanky99]

Instead of pointless snarky responses why don't you try actually outlining why Jackie Bradley Jr. would be a worthwhile upgrade for the club? I won't hold my breath that you are capable of actual debate though.

 

I'm anxiously awaiting a completely unrelated gif for you to put me in my place Spanky.

 

Why would I put up a gif? You've been dropping insults my way through this also, man. I answered in my edit above, wins is a win is a win. f***eye!

Edited December 20, 2020 by Spanky99

[Spanky99]

Gif or YouTube clip*

Honestly he’s not the only person hoping to sign JBJ though. I happen to be firmly in your camp

 

I certainly wouldn't expect you to understand, Mr. Clean. Good teams have good 4th outfielders, holy f***. It's exactly the same as pitching depth, but as an OF'er you see far more MLB action, why is this hard? If we signed Springer, Grichuk is our 4th OF'er, which we really need.

[connorp]

I certainly wouldn't expect you to understand, Mr. Clean. Good teams have good 4th outfielders, holy f***. It's exactly the same as pitching depth, but as an OF'er you see far more MLB action, why is this hard? If we signed Springer, Grichuk is our 4th OF'er, which we really need.

 

Neither he, nor I ever suggested it’s not good to have a 4th OF. But he clearly outlined there are other needs he would address first and I agree. Spank-off

[Spanky99]

Neither he, nor I ever suggested it’s not good to have a 4th OF. But he clearly outlined there are other needs he would address first and I agree. Spank-off

 

CF is one of our largest needs, Baldilocks.

[connorp]

CF is one of our largest needs, Baldilocks.

 

He picked JBJ apart in an articulate manner that you chose to ignore. Plenty of better ways to improve team

[Spanky99]

He picked JBJ apart in an articulate manner that you chose to ignore. Plenty of better ways to improve team

 

2 years of 3 Wins projected or more for 8 million is worth it, so you guys want to run with JD, have at it. Jesus Christ. I want Springer. We agree to disagree.

[Jimcanuck]

JD is best parked in Buffalo (or wherever the Jays AAA team will be in 2021), available in case of injury.

[jerb]

 

Daniel Kim 대니얼 김

@DanielKimW

 

Several media outlets in Korea are reporting that @walker_lockett is close to signing a new contract w/ #DoosanBears. Since Lockett is on #BlueJays 40 man roster, buy-out needs to be worked out between the Bears and @BlueJays. More to come. #KBO

[Deadpool]

 

Daniel Kim 대니얼 김

@DanielKimW

 

Several media outlets in Korea are reporting that @walker_lockett is close to signing a new contract w/ #DoosanBears. Since Lockett is on #BlueJays 40 man roster, buy-out needs to be worked out between the Bears and @BlueJays. More to come. #KBO

 

The new market inefficiency is putting players on your 40 man roster, so you can get like $100K from some KBO team...

[G-Snarls]

Joey Gallo anyone?