Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Terminator]

I'd be cool with Kim but I have no idea how good he'll be. I'd rather sign someone like Semien.

[max silver]

I'd be cool with Kim but I have no idea how good he'll be. I'd rather sign someone like Semien.

 

There's no good way to know how good Semien will be either. His upside is very high, but generally he's provided roughly a league average bat, with his one above average offensive season being the clear outlier.

[Scion]

It really feels like Lindor will be the play listening to different insiders.

[G-Snarls]

It really feels like Lindor will be the play listening to different insiders.

 

The MLB network hosts (mostly previous GMs with contacts) talk about it like it's extremely likely to happen

[G-Snarls]

So Lindor and Bauer it is...

[mellowgold]

The MLB network hosts (mostly previous GMs with contacts) talk about it like it's extremely likely to happen

 

That infield could get pretty crowded pretty quick with Kim AND Lindor (not a bad thing). Bo/Vlad/Cavan/Rowdy/Lindor/Kim.

 

I guess in that scenario it's Vlad/Rowdy at 1b/dh, Bo at 2b, Kim at 3b and Cavan to lf.

[Jimcanuck]

All the noise about Lindor to the Jays makes it seem like a conditional deal is in place, they are negotiating an extension.

[Scion]

The MLB network hosts (mostly previous GMs with contacts) talk about it like it's extremely likely to happen

 

One of the Sportsnet guys (Arden Zwelling IIRC) also mentioned that the Jays internal brass believe that they made the best offer for Lindor last year so clearly there is a desire to acquire the player that goes beyond just tire kicking.

[Scion]

That infield could get pretty crowded pretty quick with Kim AND Lindor (not a bad thing). Bo/Vlad/Cavan/Rowdy/Lindor/Kim.

 

I guess in that scenario it's Vlad/Rowdy at 1b/dh, Bo at 2b, Kim at 3b and Cavan to lf.

 

Cavan has already demonstrated the ability to play OF if need be.

[Laika]

I'd be cool with Kim but I have no idea how good he'll be. I'd rather sign someone like Semien.

 

You also have no idea how good Semien will be!

[glory]

The MLB network hosts (mostly previous GMs with contacts) talk about it like it's extremely likely to happen

 

Jeff Passan is basically MLB Woj and he thinks Lindor's going to the Jays or Mets. There's probably a very real shot. I've said before I'd be wary of a ridiculous FA style extension for Lindor (10+ years), but if the Jays do happen to trade for him and extend him, then I have enough faith in Mark and Ross to trust their judgment. When talking about signing Gerrit Cole, Michael Kay (announcer for the Yankees) said Cole was Brian Cashman's "white whale". He was going to get him regardless of what it cost. Maybe Lindor is that for Shatkins.

 

Signing Kim, trade Gurriel for Lindor, and then moving Biggio to the OF seems like it would work. Grichuk still being in CF would suck, though. I'd still prefer something like Springer + Kim, but Springer is probably heading to the Mets.

[jerb]

[G-Snarls]

Jeff Passan is basically MLB Woj and he thinks Lindor's going to the Jays or Mets. There's probably a very real shot. I've said before I'd be wary of a ridiculous FA style extension for Lindor (10+ years), but if the Jays do happen to trade for him and extend him, then I have enough faith in Mark and Ross to trust their judgment. When talking about signing Gerrit Cole, Michael Kay (announcer for the Yankees) said Cole was Brian Cashman's "white whale". He was going to get him regardless of what it cost. Maybe Lindor is that for Shatkins.

 

Signing Kim, trade Gurriel for Lindor, and then moving Biggio to the OF seems like it would work. Grichuk still being in CF would suck, though. I'd still prefer something like Springer + Kim, but Springer is probably heading to the Mets.

 

Yeah

 

I get the feeling the Mets won't be outbid on Springer

 

Drive the cost up so they cant afford anything else...

[RobinThicc]

I think theres legitmately less than a handful of teams interested in Lindor.

 

How many teams want to trade good, cheap, controllable talent for someone who is expensive next year and then will need a mega extension in the middle of a pandemic?

 

Right now its probably only the jays and mets, with the jays being the more aggressive team, which why so many arr choosing them. But depending on how the rest of the offseason goes, other teams may end up going for lindor. If the yankees lose Lemahieu, maybe they look at lindor. Also, apparently a lot of teams are waiting to see what progress is made with a vaccine and how fast it will be distributed because it will effect attendance, which is one reason why the market is moving really slow. Theres not a lot of clarity right now.

 

It'll probably take a while for a trade happen. I imagine cleveland is going to wait and see if his market opens up.

[Deadpool]

Jeff Passan is basically MLB Woj and he thinks Lindor's going to the Jays or Mets. There's probably a very real shot. I've said before I'd be wary of a ridiculous FA style extension for Lindor (10+ years), but if the Jays do happen to trade for him and extend him, then I have enough faith in Mark and Ross to trust their judgment. When talking about signing Gerrit Cole, Michael Kay (announcer for the Yankees) said Cole was Brian Cashman's "white whale". He was going to get him regardless of what it cost. Maybe Lindor is that for Shatkins.

 

Signing Kim, trade Gurriel for Lindor, and then moving Biggio to the OF seems like it would work. Grichuk still being in CF would suck, though. I'd still prefer something like Springer + Kim, but Springer is probably heading to the Mets.

 

Springer + Kim, then like Paxton, Sugano and a couple of decent BP arms would be an offseason that would make me happy. I would also like a pony and for my Heart & Stroke ticket to win the jackpot, while I'm in wish mode...

[Jays24]

We're at the point where we are getting at least Lindor or Springer. Would be wishful thinking to get both and would be heartbreaking if we lose out on both. A move has to be coming any day now

[Ray]

I think theres legitmately less than a handful of teams interested in Lindor.

 

How many teams want to trade good, cheap, controllable talent for someone who is expensive next year and then will need a mega extension in the middle of a pandemic?

 

Right now its probably only the jays and mets, with the jays being the more aggressive team, which why so many arr choosing them. But depending on how the rest of the offseason goes, other teams may end up going for lindor. If the yankees lose Lemahieu, maybe they look at lindor. Also, apparently a lot of teams are waiting to see what progress is made with a vaccine and how fast it will be distributed because it will effect attendance, which is one reason why the market is moving really slow. Theres not a lot of clarity right now.

 

It'll probably take a while for a trade happen. I imagine cleveland is going to wait and see if his market opens up.

 

Mets seem focused on adding through free agency. I don't think they want to trade a player off their major league roster and their farm to get Lindor, and I think that applies to a lot of natural "fits".

 

Dodgers: Have Seager.

Yankees: Focused on LeMahieu and pitching. Also probably don't want trade a guy like Clint Frazier+ to get it done

Reds: lol

Phillies: Maybe now that Dombrowski is there, but I don't think they want to give up Bohm and there's not much else of interest in their farm.

 

Really, it's us and the Mets, and we seem to have by far the most motivation to offer a good package. It also helps there's different permutations of an offer to get a deal done:

 

Trade Gurriel + Orelvis Martinez + Pardinho + Riley Adams for Lindor, fill in the OF gap with Springer, Brantley, Jackie Bradley Jr., or Joc Pederson

 

Alternatively, substitute Danny Jansen for Gurriel, and sign Realmuto for catcher.

[Jimcanuck]

Trade Gurriel + Orelvis Martinez + Pardinho + Riley Adams for Lindor

 

Too much, I think - Cleveland doesn't have a lot of leverage here and apparently a lack of suitors. Gurriel + Pardinho + Adams should do it.

[jerb]

[Jays24]

Alternatively, substitute Danny Jansen for Gurriel, and sign Realmuto for catcher.

 

Does Jansen have anywhere near the value of Gurriel? I would assume Gurriel would be the A level asset while Jansen would be the C level asset that would require another B level asset to be included with him.

[jerb]

[Ray]

Does Jansen have anywhere near the value of Gurriel? I would assume Gurriel would be the A level asset while Jansen would be the C level asset that would require another B level asset to be included with him.

 

Jansen had a better xWOBA than Gurriel did last season and was one of the more unluckier hitters in baseball. Gurriel has more power, but Jansen will take more walks and get on base more.

 

On top of that, Jansen has demonstrated himself to be pretty great defensively and plays a premium position. I wouldn't be surprised if their values aren't that far off, especially since the Indians catching and OF situations is equally as bad.

[Jays24]

 

Lindor, Springer and Bauer confirmed lol

[Jays24]

Jansen had a better xWOBA than Gurriel did last season and was one of the more unluckier hitters in baseball. Gurriel has more power, but Jansen will take more walks and get on base more.

 

On top of that, Jansen has demonstrated himself to be pretty great defensively and plays a premium position. I wouldn't be surprised if their values aren't that far off, especially since the Indians catching and OF situations is equally as bad.

 

I'm surprised to hear that after watching them the past few seasons but hope the Indians think the same way. With Kirk waiting in the wings, id prioritize Gurriel much higher than Jansen.

 

I think it will all come down to who we end up signing. Realmuto means Jansens gone and Springer would mean Gurriels probably gone.

[Spanky99]

Springer + Kim, then like Paxton, Sugano and a couple of decent BP arms would be an offseason that would make me happy. I would also like a pony and for my Heart & Stroke ticket to win the jackpot, while I'm in wish mode...

 

lol... love it.

[Spanky99]

 

jerb... you're the hero BJMB needs.

 

Thanks for all the info/rumours.

[connorp]

At least Mets don’t seem like they’re handing out blank checks.. based on reports they can’t get McCann deal done

[Jays24]

At least Mets don’t seem like they’re handing out blank checks.. based on reports they can’t get McCann deal done

 

What happened?

[Laika]

At least Mets don’t seem like they’re handing out blank checks.. based on reports they can’t get McCann deal done

 

Impression that gives me is that they don't want McCann... It's a ploy to get the Realmuto camp to agree to less

[connorp]

What happened?

 

Talks were supposed to be intense but cooled off. I think it shows that while they’re going to aggressive, they aren’t going to bid up themselves on players like you see sometimes. Maybe I’m reading too much into it hoping Jays out bid them for Springer lol