[Davidi] Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Blue Jays have reached agreement on a $500-million, 14-yr extension

[Terminator]

Vlad and his team (lead by international music superstar Marc Antony) absolutely tarred and feathered Ed Rogers, Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins in these negotiations

Aaron Judge had to hit 62 homers in his walk year to get the Yankees to pay him what he wanted, even then he took a discount compared to what other teams were offering

All Vlad had to do was drop a couple of instagram likes that he'd consider signing with the Yankees and had had Ed Rogers s***ing his pants

Just an absolute masterclass in a player squeezing every last drop out of a team during extension talks

[Terminator]

Scott Boras wishes he could negotiate a contract like Marc Antony did on behalf of Vlad Jr.

I don't know how the hell this guy does it. Superb songwriting, music, dancing, womanizing, etc. but the guy is also an expert negotiator of baseball contracts on top of it??

Some guys really do have it all

[Stangstag]

7 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Scott Boras wishes he could negotiate a contract like Marc Antony did on behalf of Vlad Jr.

I don't know how the hell this guy does it. Superb songwriting, music, dancing, womanizing, etc. but the guy is also an expert negotiator of baseball contracts on top of it??

Some guys really do have it all

Dude has been around since the Roman Empire. Gotta think he's learned a thing or 2 over 2000 years.

[BB17]

Lol adding a full no trade clause is just the kick to the nuts to top it all off. If the Jays ever were going to trade him he basically will control where he wants to go. That said his 10/5 rights would kick in 5 years from now anyway.

Kudos to the agent for milking the Jays in this negotiation.

[glory]

I know it’s way too early for this but what’s the path for a contending team in 2026-2030? The only way to make this contract sensible is to have an incredible 5-6 year run where Vlad’s best remaining seasons are maximized to the fullest. I just don’t see a path there unless the Jays start developing talent out their asses starting right now but they’ll have a lot of money freed up after 2025 and 2026. If big name hunting is easier with an extended Vlad in the fold then that certainly helps, though I have no idea if that will make a significant difference.

[BB17]

4 minutes ago, glory said:

I know it’s way too early for this but what’s the path for a contending team in 2026-2030? The only way to make this contract sensible is to have an incredible 5-6 year run where Vlad’s best remaining seasons are maximized to the fullest. I just don’t see a path there unless the Jays start developing talent out their asses starting right now but they’ll have a lot of money freed up after 2025 and 2026. If big name hunting is easier with an extended Vlad in the fold then that certainly helps, though I have no idea if that will make a significant difference.

If Bloss/Yesavage/Manoah/Tiedeman can fill 2 rotation spots

Giminez slides over and be a 4 WAR SS/Wagner moves to 2nd

Roden becomes a 3 win player

Varsho continues to be a 3 Win CF/signs a reasonable extension

Develop some relievers/sign a star SP

Lots of ifs and things that would have to go right but you get some of those and its not tough to put out a 90-93 win team if the payroll is going to be in the same range.

[L54]

Rogers is going to have to run a top 5 payroll for the next decade to be competitive 

[Orgfiller]

13 minutes ago, L54 said:

Rogers is going to have to run a top 5 payroll for the next decade to be competitive 

There's quite a bit of money coming off the books at the end of 2025 and then again in 2026. If Gimenez slides over to SS (assuming Bo is as good as gone) and we can develop a starting pitcher (or three) it would mitigate the losses and give us some breathing room to use the payroll efficiently to round out the rest of the roster.

[204Jays]

I've skipped the part where Im supposed to be excited about this deal... already feels like the negative ROI stage

[Nexii]

21 minutes ago, L54 said:

Rogers is going to have to run a top 5 payroll for the next decade to be competitive 

I mean they can afford it...

But it's very surprising to me, they've always been very risk-averse until now. And especially now given the economic uncertainty. I guess they felt the franchise really needed a face going forward, and there is value in that

[Terminator]

24 minutes ago, L54 said:

Rogers is going to have to run a top 5 payroll for the next decade to be competitive 

Yeah this seems like the plan.

They've had a top payroll for a little while now and it seems like with this Vlad extension they don't plan on stopping the spending anytime soon.

[Jays24]

29 minutes ago, L54 said:

Rogers is going to have to run a top 5 payroll for the next decade to be competitive 

Jays have a top 5 payroll right now and it's debatable whether we'll be competitive in the long run.  If our offense remains like the 2023/2024 version then ownership is just flushing money down the toilet.  

[Laika]

Deep breaths, Laika. 

It's not your money. Deep breaths. 

The AAV isn't really that horrendous for a high payroll team. Relax. It's Correa, Burnes, Cole, Strasburg money. 

Ed Rogers got bent over and gave the player too many years but who geefs a fok about 2036 anyway? Think about it like Ed Rogers getting finessed 11 years from now. 

Calm down, Laika.

[L54]

25 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

There's quite a bit of money coming off the books at the end of 2025 and then again in 2026. If Gimenez slides over to SS (assuming Bo is as good as gone) and we can develop a starting pitcher (or three) it would mitigate the losses and give us some breathing room to use the payroll efficiently to round out the rest of the roster.

 

14 minutes ago, Nexii said:

I mean they can afford it...

But it's very surprising to me, they've always been very risk-averse until now. And especially now given the economic uncertainty. I guess they felt the franchise really needed a face going forward, and there is value in that

 

13 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah this seems like the plan.

They've had a top payroll for a little while now and it seems like with this Vlad extension they don't plan on stopping the spending anytime soon.

They can afford it and if they wanna play ball with the big boys and spend like a power house then Vlad’s contract isn’t going to be prohibitive unless he turns into Chris Davis 

 

[Terminator]

Yeah on one hand it's an insane overpay.

On the other hand it signals that Ed Rogers has committed to writing blank checks for the next decade so the overpay doesn't matter that much

[L54]

18 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Jays have a top 5 payroll right now and it's debatable whether we'll be competitive in the long run.  If our offense remains like the 2023/2024 version then ownership is just flushing money down the toilet.  

Ya because they have a bunch of 2 WAR guys making 20M. Obviously that’s not ideal but that doesn’t mean that money can’t be redistributed when it’s available and the goal would be to sign better contracts!

[L54]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah on one hand it's an insane overpay.

On the other hand it signals that Ed Rogers has committed to writing blank checks for the next decade so the overpay doesn't matter that much

Pretty much feel the same. Money can mask deficiencies 

But they’ll have to spend and spend a lot. I’d rather be the Phillies than the Rays 

[Terminator]

12 minutes ago, Laika said:

Deep breaths, Laika. 

It's not your money. Deep breaths. 

The AAV isn't really that horrendous for a high payroll team. Relax. It's Correa, Burnes, Cole, Strasburg money. 

Ed Rogers got bent over and gave the player too many years but who geefs a fok about 2036 anyway? Think about it like Ed Rogers getting finessed 11 years from now. 

Calm down, Laika.

Yeah the 35 AAV isn't that bad. He's probably the best player at his position and is only 26 on top of it?

The 14 years is pretty nutty but they did that to lower the AAV.

This probably isn't going to be a long term winner on a WAR per dollar amount but let's all pray he can make the HoF. His induction ceremony would be about 20 years from now lol (1 year left on current deal, 14 year deals starts next year, his first ballot will be 5 years after that).

If I'm alive I'll see you guys there for a BJMB meetup. 

[Jays24]

37 minutes ago, L54 said:

Ya because they have a bunch of 2 WAR guys making 20M. Obviously that’s not ideal but that doesn’t mean that money can’t be redistributed when it’s available and the goal would be to sign better contracts!

Ya its a great sign from an ownership perspective but we need management who can better identify how to build a complete team and develop a respectable farm system in parallel.  Rogers has never invested more financially under anyone other than Shapiro with the results trending in the wrong direction

It's to Shapiro's credit to get ownership to open their wallets but it's also on ownership when they need to cut ties with management for results just not good enough.

[BTS]

Just saw that it has a full NTC. Who did this team think they were negotiating against? 

[Funky]

Even if we paid him 30 million a year, like he’s making now that’s a $420 mil contract.  I do not think it will age well.  

The other 80 million he’s getting I guess is for the ability to maybe attract other free agents here. I do believe that our undecided future this last summer scared away free agents.   
 

hopefully, he’s happy and becomes our aircraft carrier for the offense because when he’s on, he can carry a team.  
 

If we’re all in on Vlad, I hope we’re all in on Bo as well. Both are still young.   If we can get these two happy and hitting and surround them with better talent we have a chance.  

we have a lot of big contracts coming off the books in the next few years so hopefully we can add better pieces  better yet hopefully we can develop some pieces.  
 

Maybe I just want Bo signed because that’s the last jersey I bought and I’m too cheap to buy another one

go Jays 

 

 

[Terminator]

19 minutes ago, BTS said:

Just saw that it has a full NTC. Who did this team think they were negotiating against? 

Ed Rogers never stood a chance...

[BallsDeep]

Man is it ever negative in here. Hes 26, still like 2 years from prime. 

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, BallsDeep said:

Man is it ever negative in here. Hes 26, still like 2 years from prime. 

I'm sure everyone is happy to see Vlad here for the next 7 years but it's those years 33 to 40 that will hurt this franchise.  Vlad just hasn't been good enough for any franchise to want to eat the back half off that contract.  

[BB17]

14 minutes ago, BallsDeep said:

Man is it ever negative in here. Hes 26, still like 2 years from prime. 

26 is the prime of a baseball player, this is basically the best Vladdy you are going to get from a physical skills pov. Now if he can be smarter/understand how pitchers are attacking him there is certainly more upside for the numbers to be better.

[Brownie19]

16 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

I'm sure everyone is happy to see Vlad here for the next 7 years but it's those years 33 to 40 that will hurt this franchise.  Vlad just hasn't been good enough for any franchise to want to eat the back half off that contract.  

Are people actually worried about what happens in the last 7 years of this deal?  I certainly am not.

[BB17]

2 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Are people actually worried about what happens in the last 7 years of this deal?  I certainly am not.

The worrying thing is what happens in the first 7 years of the deal lol. We all hope Vladdy can put up 5 WAR per season in the productive years. We already know the last 7 years are going to be basically a write off

[glory]

59 minutes ago, L54 said:

Pretty much feel the same. Money can mask deficiencies 

But they’ll have to spend and spend a lot. I’d rather be the Phillies than the Rays 

Yeah the Phillies are probably the best case scenario for what the Jays are currently trying to build. Spend big in free agency, make trades for controllable impact talent, and then go from there. Even if the team falls out of it this season and has to sell at the deadline, they could try to sneak under the luxury tax and clear room for more spending in the winter. That's really the only option they have. 

As you said too much $ allocated to ~2 WAR talent right now (Springer, Berrios, Bassitt, etc). So far they've at least extended or acquired the contracts of players with 4+ WAR ceilings (Vlad, Kirk, Gimenez), but they are seeing the back end of the last round of FA spending so a lot of declining years all at once (Springer, Gausman, Berrios). The next round of FA spending has to be for elite level talent with longer shelf lives and the 2 WAR players should be the ones making $750k. Easier said than done. 

One thing is for sure, with all the money coming off the books, and Vlad's CBT hit only being about $6M more in 2026-beyond, they absolutely need to sign one of the FA starters available (Gallen, Cease, King, Valdez). Not much on the hitting side other than a pipe dream (Tucker) and re-signing Bo, so they probably have to be creative there. 

[BTS]

2 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Are people actually worried about what happens in the last 7 years of this deal?  I certainly am not.

This would be looked at very differently if the team was top-tier, or looked poised to become top tier in the next couple years. But the reality is that there isn't a team in the league that's a more obvious candidate for a rebuild, and it looks very unlikely that the team makes any noise in the first 5 years of Vlad's deal. So what's the point? 

[Jays24]

19 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Are people actually worried about what happens in the last 7 years of this deal?  I certainly am not.

This franchise has never had to suffer that long with a bad contract.  You should think back to 2017 when we ate the backend of the Tulo/Martin deals... now times that by 7 lol. 

This contract will impact the working budget for those Jays teams and we will all still here crying about having 35M less to spend on more impactful players.  Heck, half of this board wanted to DFA Vladdy a year ago when he was making 20M lol.