General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[John_Havok]

4 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

Im really excited foe the trade deadline and I hope the jays swing big here

Id love it for them to have a 2015 type deadline where you get a Price and a Tulo type

There's no David Price type on the market .... yet

[Vancouverite]

8 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

There's no David Price type on the market .... yet

Degrom?

[Eat My Shatkins]

The Rangers are only 2.5 games out of the wild card and 7-3 in their last 10 with a +56 run diff.

Can't see them trading their ace unless they collapse over the next 10 days

[Grant77]

22 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Just really missing a true long man really. We also don't know when Sandlin will be back yet. 

What the Jays really need is some of the bubble teams to decide if they're sellers or not. 

Aside from Bednar and a few arms from Baltimore, a ton of the quality relievers are on those bubble teams...Cleveland, Minnesota etc

In a playoff scenario, the leftover starter would presumably be your long man. With our veteran rotation and guys cycling through due to injuries, I wouldn't prioritize a long man at the deadline.

[glory]

Yeah I don’t see the Rangers selling given where they are in the standings. Obviously the Brewers aren’t selling either so Peralta is not an option (I didn’t think he ever was one but his name was thrown around). If the Jays do add a SP, then I think it will be someone closer in quality to what they already have. The clear upgrade may not be available.

[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, glory said:

Yeah I don’t see the Rangers selling given where they are in the standings. Obviously the Brewers aren’t selling either so Peralta is not an option (I didn’t think he ever was one but his name was thrown around). If the Jays do add a SP, then I think it will be someone closer in quality to what they already have. The clear upgrade may not be available.

That's why I've been saying, the plan is Manoah and pray.

The best thing they can do alternatively is go hard at some of the absolute best relievers out there and just form a nice bridge of closers.

[John_Havok]

9 hours ago, Grant77 said:

In a playoff scenario, the leftover starter would presumably be your long man. With our veteran rotation and guys cycling through due to injuries, I wouldn't prioritize a long man at the deadline.

Oh yeah for sure, just thought you'd have included the long man in your pen list.

Right now id guessing would be Berrios ... but Lauer could be as well depending on the situation 

[Vancouverite]

5 hours ago, Masterbather said:

That's why I've been saying, the plan is Manoah and pray.

The best thing they can do alternatively is go hard at some of the absolute best relievers out there and just form a nice bridge of closers.

Not sure if the plan is Manoah and pray but, if I would pick a player in the majors this year that hasn't played all year and is able to come back in September and make an impact id pick Manoah

His swag and ahort-term memory (in a good way) mindset make him the perfect candidate to come out of left field and give you solid production. 

[Big_Walleye]

I believe the Jays will be targeting swing-and-miss bullpen arms at the deadline and not much else.

They have a proven ace on the staff already.  His name is Max.  They didn't spend over 15 large on him to be depth.  Let's see how he looks tonight.

They may target a depth starter but they see Manoah filling that void as well.

Ross said in the media they would like a right-handed bat.  Why would he show his hand like this?  It's a calculated move to pressure the Yankees and drive up the price of  someone like Suarez.  The Jays are counting on Vlad coming around as the big righty "addition".

Let the Yankees get Suarez (at an inflated price) he's just another bad defence guy that good pitching can shut down.  In fact, good pitching can shut down anyone in that lineup not named Judge.  And 4 fingers will shut him down.

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[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, Big_Walleye said:

I believe the Jays will be targeting swing-and-miss bullpen arms at the deadline and not much else.

They have a proven ace on the staff already.  His name is Max.  They didn't spend over 15 large on him to be depth.  Let's see how he looks tonight.

They may target a depth starter but they see Manoah filling that void as well.

Ross said in the media they would like a right-handed bat.  Why would he show his hand like this?  It's a calculated move to pressure the Yankees and drive up the price of  someone like Suarez.  The Jays are counting on Vlad coming around as the big righty "addition".

Let the Yankees get Suarez (at an inflated price) he's just another bad defence guy that good pitching can shut down.  In fact, good pitching can shut down anyone in that lineup not named Judge.  And 4 fingers will shut him down.

If the plan is for Max Scherzer, the 40 year old with a wonky thumb, to be your big arm and Vladdy to be your big bat then that's a really bad plan. 15 million "large" doesn't buy you an ace these days, it buys you rotation depth.

Suarez in the middle of a lineup with Judge, Stanton and Bellinger is terrifying. You're f***ing insane if you think otherwise.

[Big_Walleye]

57 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

If the plan is for Max Scherzer, the 40 year old with a wonky thumb, to be your big arm and Vladdy to be your big bat then that's a really bad plan. 15 million "large" doesn't buy you an ace these days, it buys you rotation depth.

Suarez in the middle of a lineup with Judge, Stanton and Bellinger is terrifying. You're f***ing insane if you think otherwise.

The Yankees lineup with or without Suarez doesn't scare me one bit if you don't pitch to Judge.

We shall see what shakes out at this deadline.

[metafour]

1 hour ago, Masterbather said:

If the plan is for Max Scherzer, the 40 year old with a wonky thumb, to be your big arm and Vladdy to be your big bat then that's a really bad plan. 15 million "large" doesn't buy you an ace these days, it buys you rotation depth.

Suarez in the middle of a lineup with Judge, Stanton and Bellinger is terrifying. You're f***ing insane if you think otherwise.

What the hell is a "big arm", and what is a "big bat"?

Max Scherzer is every bit as probable (if not realistically more so) to outproduce Manoah for the remainder of the season. You consider Manoah to be a "big arm"? He throws 93-94 and nobody knows what his command is going to look like post TJ surgery. I can assure you that no one in the front office is seriously praying that Manoah comes back and magically starts pitching like a "big arm" lol. 

Vlad Guerrero has a .404 xwOBA this season, which is just 4-points shy of his xwOBA in last year's elite 164 wRC+ season. Yes he is always a guy who seems to go on stretches where his numbers don't match the expected batted ball profile, but there is a bigger likelihood that he goes on one of his hot-streaks in the second half than there is that the Jays are going to acquire a BETTER "big bat".  His xwOBA is 7th highest in the league, 

[Masterbather]

4 hours ago, metafour said:

What the hell is a "big arm", and what is a "big bat"?

Max Scherzer is every bit as probable (if not realistically more so) to outproduce Manoah for the remainder of the season. You consider Manoah to be a "big arm"? He throws 93-94 and nobody knows what his command is going to look like post TJ surgery. I can assure you that no one in the front office is seriously praying that Manoah comes back and magically starts pitching like a "big arm" lol. 

Vlad Guerrero has a .404 xwOBA this season, which is just 4-points shy of his xwOBA in last year's elite 164 wRC+ season. Yes he is always a guy who seems to go on stretches where his numbers don't match the expected batted ball profile, but there is a bigger likelihood that he goes on one of his hot-streaks in the second half than there is that the Jays are going to acquire a BETTER "big bat".  His xwOBA is 7th highest in the league, 

I didn't say I expected Manoah to do that, I actually do not expect him to do that, I'm saying  you hope and pray that he can. Because realistically he's got the best chance of any of our pitchers to be that guy. We have ample evidence over the past two seasons that no one else can be. 

As far as Guerrero, the second half started a long time ago, I'm really sick of hearing about his bad luck or good luck whatever f***ing luck he seems to always be battling.  I don't think they're going to acquire a big bat, that would actually be down on my list of priorities.

Realistically our best chance might be to get high-end bullpen arms and again, hope Manoah comes back as something closer to what he was in 2022. That probably gives us our best chance if they can't trade for an ace which is looking like it's going to be very difficult to do.

[hanton]

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[Grant77]

1 hour ago, hanton said:

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You think so? Interesting 

[Terminator]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2025-trade-value-nos-21-30/

Kirk came in at #30 on Fangraphs' annual Top 50 Trade Values list this year

[Laika]

FWIW (a lot) Gabe Moreno only made the honourable mentions of that list. 

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Moreno would be on the list if he played more, but three years into his major league career, he still hasn’t put together a 400-PA campaign. He’s a great complementary piece, above average in every facet of the game, but without a true carrying tool.

 

[MikeM2]

We're the 2013 Royals? 

[Vancouverite]

On 7/21/2025 at 7:44 PM, John_Havok said:

There's no David Price type on the market .... yet

Well Dylan Cease might be available it seems.

If this front office thinks there's no chance of resigning Bo than how about this

 

Bo for Cease

Prospects to ARI for Suarez

Go get 2 other BP arms

 

Id be game for that not sure what that does to clubhouse though

[John_Havok]

23 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

Well Dylan Cease might be available it seems.

If this front office thinks there's no chance of resigning Bo than how about this

 

Bo for Cease

Prospects to ARI for Suarez

Go get 2 other BP arms

 

Id be game for that not sure what that does to clubhouse though

I very much doubt the team is going to subtract from their starting lineup at the deadline. 

[Spanky__99]

13 hours ago, Laika said:

FWIW (a lot) Gabe Moreno only made the honourable mentions of that list. 

 

Love it, haven't heard a peep in a long while about Moreno from his fanclub..

 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, MikeM2 said:

We're the 2013 Royals? 

How about dem Orioles, Mike? 

[Ray]

We've put ourselves in a fantastic spot. Even if we slump and go 28-32 in the final 60 games, that gives us 88 wins which should be more than enough to nab a wildcard spot. We have the tiebreaker over the Yankees, the Red Sox, and Seattle. We've banked wins while Gimenez and Santander are on the IL. Hopefully Vlad starts catching up to his expected stats and Bo stays hot. Manoah will be back for the stretch run and hopefully give us a bit of depth in the rotation. The farm seems deep enough to make some big trades if necessary.

Really good times. Lets go beat the Tigers while they're scuffling and hope Skubal misses the series

[GoBlue41]

Suarez seems to be the big name target out there for teams at the deadline. Not a lot of talk about the Jays pursuing him, but should they?? Defensively, he may be a liability, but having that bat in the middle of the lineup would be pretty nice, especially with Santander being tough to rely on. Any chance the Jays get involved? 
 

I was really hoping the Rangers would tank so DeGrom might be in play so that looks unlikely. I hear a lot about Keller from the Pirates being a possibility. Is he much better than the starters already on the roster? Not sure. 
 

Hopefully, there is a good bullpen pickup at the deadline. I remember the days of Duane Ward and Tom Henke. It's nice to have two good closers! 

[MikeM2]

8 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

How about dem Orioles, Mike? 

Takes a real man like Atkins to get over the finish line. Elias is NOT that

[Terminator]

[keggy]

Does anybody actually believe that Yimi hurt his ankle after an abusive RP outing, and then subsequently hurt his elbow while sitting out?

[John_Havok]

49 minutes ago, keggy said:

Does anybody actually believe that Yimi hurt his ankle after an abusive RP outing, and then subsequently hurt his elbow while sitting out?

More than likely his elbow is just a flare-up of what hes been dealing with the past 2 seasons or so and just happened to flare up during the ankle thing.