Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[Terminator]

 

No it's true. Simonetti is legit.

[Laika]

Typical of the average Gringo or Canuck to lump all Spanish speaking players together.

 

Miami and South Florida in general is full of Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans, DR and others from South and central America. The border States Texas and West are primarily Mexicans and Central America. Even though they all speak Spanish, HUGE differences in the language and culture. Don't ever call a Colombian a Mexican or a Cuban a Mexican etc.

 

Latinos are people from South America which includes Brazil which the language is Portuguese and not Spanish, yet they are still Latinos.

 

The comment that Miami would want a player who is Mexican just because he speaks Spanish is like saying Toronto would want a player from Australia since they speak English and are part of the Commonwealth.

 

This is stupid. All latinos ARE mexicans. And Australians are basically tanned Canadians.

[Stangstag]

 

Lol too true. Ohtani ain’t getting traded and honestly im not even sure if its worth dumping our farm for 1 year of him.

[Stangstag]

Typical of the average Gringo or Canuck to lump all Spanish speaking players together.

 

Miami and South Florida in general is full of Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans, DR and others from South and central America. The border States Texas and West are primarily Mexicans and Central America. Even though they all speak Spanish, HUGE differences in the language and culture. Don't ever call a Colombian a Mexican or a Cuban a Mexican etc.

 

Latinos are people from South America which includes Brazil which the language is Portuguese and not Spanish, yet they are still Latinos.

 

The comment that Miami would want a player who is Mexican just because he speaks Spanish is like saying Toronto would want a player from Australia since they speak English and are part of the Commonwealth.

 

I honestly wasn’t aware. Thanks for schooling me. I assumed my comment would be akin to “send the french speaking guy to the Expos” which as a Canadian definitely makes sense.

[Eat My Shatkins]

If the Jays go after Ohtani hopefully they are confident they can get him signed long term. That'll be such a massive cost and a waste for only one year.

 

Probably kiss Kirk, Martinez and Tiedemann good bye if itnhappens.

[Stangstag]

If the Jays go after Ohtani hopefully they are confident they can get him signed long term. That'll be such a massive cost and a waste for only one year.

 

Probably kiss Kirk, Martinez and Tiedemann good bye if itnhappens.

 

Yeah im not sure it would be worth it for 1 kick at the can. Maybe if Atkins is in desperation mode trying to keep his job.

[Terminator]

Jays are kind of a bad fit anyway. Logan O'Hoppe isn't THAT great but he's the Angels best prospect. They have a whole lot of needs and C would rank pretty far down the list so I think they'd want something other than Moreno or Kirk, if the Jays would even consider giving up one of those two.

[Jimcanuck]

If Ohtani goes so does Trout, and Halos will want prospects, not MLB guys

 

So the kind of package the Padres gave up for Soto

[Ehjays]

[Brownie19]

Typical of the average Gringo or Canuck to lump all Spanish speaking players together.

 

Miami and South Florida in general is full of Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans, DR and others from South and central America. The border States Texas and West are primarily Mexicans and Central America. Even though they all speak Spanish, HUGE differences in the language and culture. Don't ever call a Colombian a Mexican or a Cuban a Mexican etc.

 

Latinos are people from South America which includes Brazil which the language is Portuguese and not Spanish, yet they are still Latinos.

 

The comment that Miami would want a player who is Mexican just because he speaks Spanish is like saying Toronto would want a player from Australia since they speak English and are part of the Commonwealth.

 

So Cubans and Colombians are so racist that it's a major no-no to accidently refer to them as Mexican? Got it. I couldn't for the life of me ever imagine getting upset if someone mistakenly referred to me as an Australian.

[Carlos Danger]

So Cubans and Colombians are so racist that it's a major no-no to accidently refer to them as Mexican? Got it. I couldn't for the life of me ever imagine getting upset if someone mistakenly referred to me as an Australian.

 

Yea, because it is ignorant to lump a group of people together due to the only commonality being language.

 

Call a Persian and Arab and they get pissed. Call a half the Canadians American or say same s*** and Canadians get bent out of shape, call an Aussie a Brit or vice versa. Call a Japanese person Chinese or Korean.

 

Call someone from France a French Canadian and they will be insulted, especially considering French the way it is spoken in France is so much cleaner and smooth then the guttural nasal French spoken in Quebec etc.

 

Call someone from Calgary a Torontonian.

 

Not racism it it pride of ones culture and origins, country, region etc.

[BTS]

Yea, because it is ignorant to lump a group of people together due to the only commonality being language.

 

Call a Persian and Arab and they get pissed. Call a half the Canadians American or say same s*** and Canadians get bent out of shape, call an Aussie a Brit or vice versa. Call a Japanese person Chinese or Korean.

 

Call someone from France a French Canadian and they will be insulted, especially considering French the way it is spoken in France is so much cleaner and smooth then the guttural nasal French spoken in Quebec etc.

 

Call someone from Calgary a Torontonian.

 

Not racism it it pride of ones culture and origins, country, region etc.

 

I don't actually think Canadians would get upset if someone in Mexico or Japan suggested that a Canadian in their league might want to play on a team with a lot of Americans because they speak the same language. That would actually make a lot of sense.

[Brownie19]

Yea, because it is ignorant to lump a group of people together due to the only commonality being language.

 

Call a Persian and Arab and they get pissed. Call a half the Canadians American or say same s*** and Canadians get bent out of shape, call an Aussie a Brit or vice versa. Call a Japanese person Chinese or Korean.

 

Call someone from France a French Canadian and they will be insulted, especially considering French the way it is spoken in France is so much cleaner and smooth then the guttural nasal French spoken in Quebec etc.

 

Call someone from Calgary a Torontonian.

 

Not racism it it pride of ones culture and origins, country, region etc.

 

I read it as if you better never call a Cuban a Mexican - even if it's an honest mistake, like Mexicans are so f***ing horrible that nobody wants to be mistaken for one. That is racist.

 

If you suggest a Japanese person is Chinese and then double down and claim there's no difference, then yes, obviously that isn't right.

[John_Havok]

I read it as if you better never call a Cuban a Mexican - even if it's an honest mistake, like Mexicans are so f***ing horrible that nobody wants to be mistaken for one. That is racist.

 

If you suggest a Japanese person is Chinese and then double down and claim there's no difference, then yes, obviously that isn't right.

 

Next time Angrioter posts, just ask him what a typical Dominican response would be to being called a Mexican

[connorp]

It can be said that Latino men have a lot of machismo and so this board being so full of estrogen and hot flashes, it’s really hard to understand their mindset

[connorp]

I wonder what kind of suspension Yunel Escobar would get 10 years later. It’s possible he never plays mlb again lol

[Carlos Danger]

I read it as if you better never call a Cuban a Mexican - even if it's an honest mistake, like Mexicans are so f***ing horrible that nobody wants to be mistaken for one. That is racist.

 

If you suggest a Japanese person is Chinese and then double down and claim there's no difference, then yes, obviously that isn't right.

 

You read it wrong which is not surprising.

 

It is not racism which you are casually throwing around. It is ignorance.

 

Too many Canadian and Americans use the title Mexican like Coke, Kleenex, Xerox etc.

 

I know plenty of Canadians who get butt hurt being called American or saying you are the 51st state etc. It is by no means racist, but a matter of being proud of the your individual country, culture, identity and not wanting to be lumped in some homogenous mass because you speak the same language.

 

I was and am educating people who honestly/ generally don’t know and those who are just ignorant.

[Carlos Danger]

I don't actually think Canadians would get upset if someone in Mexico or Japan suggested that a Canadian in their league might want to play on a team with a lot of Americans because they speak the same language. That would actually make a lot of sense.

 

No doubt a player would feel more comfortable on a team with players who speak the same language. However, in reference to the OP and the Marlins, they do try and attract players that represent the community in order to attract fans in the seats and followers of the Team. As I pointed out, that is based on nationality, not language.

 

The Marlins will go after talent first, fan base type players second, Cuban, Venezuelans etc. Just because a player speaks Spanish is not something they would target based on their historical actions and what I know of the area/fanbase/team.

 

If the Marlins want Kirk, it will be because of his talent, but not going to get 10,000 extra Cubans at the game because he speaks Spanish. The Chapman’s when in his prime, Guirielle brothers etc, yes.

 

Speaking Spanish would be helpful with the local media and locals, but unless player is representative of a local demographic, not going to put extra seats in the stands apart from being a good baseball player.

[Stangstag]

No doubt a player would feel more comfortable on a team with players who speak the same language. However, in reference to the OP and the Marlins, they do try and attract players that represent the community in order to attract fans in the seats and followers of the Team. As I pointed out, that is based on nationality, not language.

 

The Marlins will go after talent first, fan base type players second, Cuban, Venezuelans etc. Just because a player speaks Spanish is not something they would target based on their historical actions and what I know of the area/fanbase/team.

 

If the Marlins want Kirk, it will be because of his talent, but not going to get 10,000 extra Cubans at the game because he speaks Spanish. The Chapman’s when in his prime, Guirielle brothers etc, yes.

 

Speaking Spanish would be helpful with the local media and locals, but unless player is representative of a local demographic, not going to put extra seats in the stands apart from being a good baseball player.

 

See, in my original comment I never insinuated any of this. All I said was “send them Kirk instead of Jansen, he’ll thrive there”. All I really meant was Kirk > Spanish > lots of Spanish speakers in Miami > he’ll be more comfortable.

 

But mostly it was a joke because I keep saying we should sell high on Kirk and Terminator thinks Kirk is the second coming of Mike Piazza, so the comment was a little jab at him.

 

Ya’ll are dissecting an offhand comment way too much

[Carlos Danger]

See, in my original comment I never insinuated any of this. All I said was “send them Kirk instead of Jansen, he’ll thrive there”. All I really meant was Kirk > Spanish > lots of Spanish speakers in Miami > he’ll be more comfortable.

 

But mostly it was a joke because I keep saying we should sell high on Kirk and Terminator thinks Kirk is the second coming of Mike Piazza, so the comment was a little jab at him.

 

Ya’ll are dissecting an offhand comment way too much

 

Your comment was fine and innocent. Jim being a smart ass was what brought us down the path of don’t call someone what their not or lump them all together.

[Terminator]

See, in my original comment I never insinuated any of this. All I said was “send them Kirk instead of Jansen, he’ll thrive there”. All I really meant was Kirk > Spanish > lots of Spanish speakers in Miami > he’ll be more comfortable.

 

But mostly it was a joke because I keep saying we should sell high on Kirk and Terminator thinks Kirk is the second coming of Mike Piazza, so the comment was a little jab at him.

 

Ya’ll are dissecting an offhand comment way too much

 

LOL nice try pal. You tried taking “a little jab” at the Sheriff and instead you outed yourself as a racist.

 

Let this be a lesson for ya, when you take a swing at the Sheriff you best not miss (ask real life celebrity Roy Firestone if you can even find him). Better luck next time.

 

[Jimcanuck]

Your comment was fine and innocent. Jim being a smart ass was what brought us down the path of don’t call someone what their not or lump them all together.

 

So easy to trigger the snowflakes on here

[Brownie19]

You read it wrong which is not surprising.

 

It is not racism which you are casually throwing around. It is ignorance.

 

Too many Canadian and Americans use the title Mexican like Coke, Kleenex, Xerox etc.

 

I know plenty of Canadians who get butt hurt being called American or saying you are the 51st state etc. It is by no means racist, but a matter of being proud of the your individual country, culture, identity and not wanting to be lumped in some homogenous mass because you speak the same language.

 

I was and am educating people who honestly/ generally don’t know and those who are just ignorant.

 

Why are you taking a jab at me. Ever think that perhaps you could have written it more clearly?

 

I appreciate that some are very proud of their homeland and culture and that's why they would be upset to be accidently be called a Mexican, when they are in fact Cuban. To be fair - I've never felt an overwhelming sense of pride for my own country, the University I went to, the Town I grew up in, or the Town I live in. I've never felt they were vastly superior to others or something to be extremely proud of. I struggle to understand the mindset of those who do.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Brownie19

[jaysblue]

I always get mistaken for another nationality and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm Canadian though background is Italian. I get a lot of people thinking I'm Middle Eastern like from Lebanon, Egypt, Pakistan or Afghanistan, which I find interesting. Also, I get a lot of people thinking I'm Serbian or Portuguese.

 

I'm proud of being Canadian and having an Italian background, though I wouldn't get upset if someone mistakes me as an American or Portuguese.

[Laika]

I always get mistaken for another nationality and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm Canadian though background is Italian. I get a lot of people thinking I'm Middle Eastern like from Lebanon, Egypt, Pakistan or Afghanistan, which I find interesting. Also, I get a lot of people thinking I'm Serbian or Portuguese.

 

I'm proud of being Canadian and having an Italian background, though I wouldn't get upset if someone mistakes me as an American or Portuguese.

 

You probably do have some mixed genetics if you go way back. It's funny how people still think of Mediterranean cultures as white or brown when they are basically all the same

[L54]

So easy to trigger the snowflakes on here

 

Spoken by a racist with no appreciation for other cultures. If they’re brown, they’re brown - right Jim?

[Jimcanuck]

Spoken by a racist with no appreciation for other cultures. If they’re brown, they’re brown - right Jim?

 

Nah, the genetic differences between two persons that look very different are very very minimal

 

One race, the human race

[L54]

Nah, the genetic differences between two persons that look very different are very very minimal

 

One race, the human race

 

Two persons who look very different would be Mexicans and Cubans

[Jimcanuck]

Two persons who look very different would be Mexicans and Cubans

 

Disagree, have been to both places many times, one can easily mistake one for the other

 

Nationalities are an arbitrary construct

[BTS]

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