Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[Jimcanuck]

Apparently, according to Yahoo, Shatkins were high on Drury in their Cleveland days. Let's just hope they have information that shows him as a breakout candidate with the bat.

 

Maybe they see a 110-115 wRC at peak and at 25 is much younger than Solarte who is on his way out no doubt

[Maahfaace]

AA wants the StroShow in Hotlanta. Get it done Shatkins. Touki Toussaint +Bryse Wilson + Max Fried + Greyson Jenista

[Carlos Danger]

What concerns me is it seems all the guys Atkins trade for are High K guys... I don't like that in building a playoff contender..

 

Going back to the off-season, Grichuk, Diaz, yesterdays haul in the Oh trade, today's guys in the Happ trade, pretty high K rates..

[Pulk_Pull]

Jays didn't take on too much cash in either deal today.

 

Obviously Shapiro/Atkins may be under orders to also reduce payroll given how the team is performing and attendance is s***, but I'm secretly hoping they can send a piece of lesser value out the door (e.g., Axford, Solarte, Granderson) and take back some salary in exchange for a better return. Bundling a salary dump with a prospect may be the only way some of these replacement level players are moved for anything resembling future value.

[Key22]

If these guys suck according to the board and have zero upside, why nit keep Happ and offer him arb and get a second round pick? A good second rounder should have upside.

[Captain Adama]

What concerns me is it seems all the guys Atkins trade for are High K guys... I don't like that in building a playoff contender..

 

Going back to the off-season, Grichuk, Diaz, yesterdays haul in the Oh trade, today's guys in the Happ trade, pretty high K rates..

 

Of all the guys you listed, only Grichuk K's at even a league average amount. Having a low 20% K rate is not considered very high anymore.

 

Speaking of which, Griuchuk has a K rate of only 24.4, damn. If he can maintain that and his BABIP can go up a bit, that would be just swell.

[Bobthe4th]

I would be quite disappointed Brandon Drury is the main piece for Happ. Hes just not very good and I don't understand where he would even play. We have to many infielders 2 spots as it is and we don't even have Donaldson and healthy yet and Vlad Jr is on the cusp.

 

I wanted to at least bring home one of their better pitching prospects. And if we were going to get an MLB player that fell of the map this year I would have hoped it would be Domingo Santana instead.

 

Something that hasn't been discussed much this year is that the Travis of 2/3 years ago no longer exists now his knees are destroyed. I think we'll see him be used less in the future and eventually released / moved. I guess Drury then gives us a bit of depth if Gurriel doesn't continue to improve and/or Solarte is moved on in the summer.

 

I don't like the move personally.

[Brownie19]

If these guys suck according to the board and have zero upside, why nit keep Happ and offer him arb and get a second round pick? A good second rounder should have upside.

 

Who's to say he'd accept the qualifying offer? (it's not arb)

[Pulk_Pull]

If these guys suck according to the board and have zero upside, why nit keep Happ and offer him arb and get a second round pick? A good second rounder should have upside.

 

McKinney was drafted in the 1st round (not saying this is his value, but just that draft position doesn't always equate to future value)... so the thought that a 2nd round pick could have more value is a big and dangerous assumption, IMO

[Brownie19]

What concerns me is it seems all the guys Atkins trade for are High K guys... I don't like that in building a playoff contender..

 

Going back to the off-season, Grichuk, Diaz, yesterdays haul in the Oh trade, today's guys in the Happ trade, pretty high K rates..

 

I mean Diaz's bat hasn't bounced back at all...but he's got a 14 K% sir. DERP.

[Terminator]

Something that hasn't been discussed much this year is that the Travis of 2/3 years ago no longer exists now his knees are destroyed. I think we'll see him be used less in the future and eventually released / moved. I guess Drury then gives us a bit of depth if Gurriel doesn't continue to improve and/or Solarte is moved on in the summer.

 

I don't like the move personally.

 

Yeah as Travis keeps going through Arb he could become a non-tender candidate soon.

[Bobthe4th]

Would much, much prefer a few lotto tickets in the low minors to another replacement level 2B

 

Ding ding ding! Exactly. As soon as the front office accepted the reality that a Happ trade wasn’t bringing back a top prospect, surely a minor league prospect or 2 is better than an average player wasting a roster spot.

[Jonn]

Something that hasn't been discussed much this year is that the Travis of 2/3 years ago no longer exists now his knees are destroyed. I think we'll see him be used less in the future and eventually released / moved. I guess Drury then gives us a bit of depth if Gurriel doesn't continue to improve and/or Solarte is moved on in the summer.

 

I don't like the move personally.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Travis got more AAA at-bats than he does MLB at-bats next season. Or possibly in another origination. Hes definitely lost second base if not to LGJ probably Biggio before long. Still a chance Bichette ends up moving to Second Base as well. I think he would at least get some starts at Second.

 

Move is a head scratcher for me. I am trying to rationalise it but having a lot of problems doing so.

[Bobthe4th]

I wouldn't be surprised if Travis got more AAA at-bats than he does MLB at-bats next season. Or possibly in another origination. Hes definitely lost second base if not to LGJ probably Biggio before long. Still a chance Bichette ends up moving to Second Base as well. I think he would at least get some starts at Second.

 

Move is a head scratcher for me. I am trying to rationalise it but having a lot of problems doing so.

 

Yup, I agree with all of this.

[Sammy225]

Yeah as Travis keeps going through Arb he could become a non-tender candidate soon.

 

I think he is the kind of player that a team might offer some C+ prospect and try as a reclamation project.

[Slade]

What concerns me is it seems all the guys Atkins trade for are High K guys... I don't like that in building a playoff contender..

 

Going back to the off-season, Grichuk, Diaz, yesterdays haul in the Oh trade, today's guys in the Happ trade, pretty high K rates..

 

Take a look at the minors now, 20%+ K rate is the norm. I hate it but it is what it is.

[Jimcanuck]

Stroman to AA/Braves....

 

We know AA decides he wants a certain player and will pay a premium. This is the Jays chance at payback for the Dickey trade.

[Krylian]

Stroman to AA/Braves....

 

We know AA decides he wants a certain player and will pay a premium. This is the Jays chance at payback for the Dickey trade.

 

It'll never happen. Remember AA's philosophy...If you hear about a deal in the media, it's not gonna happen.

[L54]

Who's to say he'd accept the qualifying offer? (it's not arb)

 

Wat?

 

He didn’t say anything about accepting it, hence returning a second round pick. DERP.

[L54]

I’d love for Shatkins to pull a blockbuster and move Stroman for a haul

[Brownie19]

Wat?

 

He didn’t say anything about accepting it, hence returning a second round pick. DERP.

 

Yikes. That is a massive DERP. You watch my posts like a hawk L54. Thanks.

[Daniel Labude]

What is a realistic offer if we were to trade Stroman to the Braves?

[Laika]

What is a realistic offer if we were to trade Stroman to the Braves?

 

I think something like - 1/2 of what Jose Quintana went for.

Or 2/3 of what Gerrit Cole went for.

 

So Toronto would need one of their top 4 prospects to start, and then at least one good kicker to go with him.

 

You can also look at the Sonny Gray trade, I guess (Kaprelian, Mateo, and Fowler).

[Key22]

Would the Jays be comfortable selling low on Stroman? It is AA and he might overpay for HIS guy but unlike Happ the Jays are in the driver's seat.

 

AA said he won't trade the best prospects for just a rental. Stroman is not a rental. Atlanta seems to have a deep system. But AA has managed to trade big name prospects who turned out to be junk. Syndergard and Yan Gomes the exceptions. Shatkins have to be sure the 2-4 players received are in the Yan Gomes, Thor camp and not the Graveman, Norris camp.

[Deadpool]

Would the Jays be comfortable selling low on Stroman? It is AA and he might overpay for HIS guy but unlike Happ the Jays are in the driver's seat.

 

AA said he won't trade the best prospects for just a rental. Stroman is not a rental. Atlanta seems to have a deep system. But AA has managed to trade big name prospects who turned out to be junk. Syndergard and Yan Gomes the exceptions. Shatkins have to be sure the 2-4 players received are in the Yan Gomes, Thor camp and not the Graveman, Norris camp.

 

I don't see the point of trading Stroman for pennies on the dollar... If you're blown away with an offer, sure, but I don't see a scenario where they're shopping him at the moment.

[Brownie19]

I don't see the point of trading Stroman for pennies on the dollar... If you're blown away with an offer, sure, but I don't see a scenario where they're shopping him at the moment.

 

I doubt it would be pennies on the dollar....Stro's xFIP (at 3.82) is only 10% higher than his career average (of 3.46). I mean his ERA sucks and his BB/9 are still a full walk above his career average - but he's clearly been better since his return and isn't far off his norm. I fully expect his end of year numbers to be inline with his career totals.

 

Obviously you don't move him unless you're getting full value - but at this point, I don't think they'd have to sift through low ball offers like they may have earlier in the year.

[TheHurl]

I doubt it would be pennies on the dollar....Stro's xFIP (at 3.82) is only 10% higher than his career average (of 3.46). I mean his ERA sucks and his BB/9 are still a full walk above his career average - but he's clearly been better since his return and isn't far off his norm. I fully expect his end of year numbers to be inline with his career totals.

 

It is possible that AA learned FIP and xFIP in his time in LA

[Deadpool]

I doubt it would be pennies on the dollar....Stro's xFIP (at 3.82) is only 10% higher than his career average (of 3.46). I mean his ERA sucks and his BB/9 are still a full walk above his career average - but he's clearly been better since his return and isn't far off his norm. I fully expect his end of year numbers to be inline with his career totals.

 

Obviously you don't move him unless you're getting full value - but at this point, I don't think they'd have to sift through low ball offers like they may have earlier in the year.

 

I still don't think there's any need to be shopping him at this point, we will need pitchers next year, and it's unlikely that his value drops considerably between now and the next trade deadline.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't see the point of trading Stroman for pennies on the dollar... If you're blown away with an offer, sure, but I don't see a scenario where they're shopping him at the moment.

 

Why are people assuming his value is low? His ERA sucks but peripherals are good and has been pitching well of late. His Value if anything is just going to go down because of less control.

[Abomination]

I'd love for us to pick up Greg Holland as a FA (as soon his release goes through). Chances are we'll be pawning off a few relievers, and we could offer him high leverage spots to rebuild value the rest of the year for league min. Maybe if he pitches well in August, we can even trade him for something then.