Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

I get that, though Im still not at all getting this Solarte comparison. His ceiling is a cheap 3 WAR player, however he isn't performing at that (0.0) and he's 31 years old. Our chance to compete is in about 3 years. He'll be 34 at that time and likely a negative WAR player. Drury will be 28, still under team control on a cheap arbitration deal. There's reasonable grounds to suspect he could be a cheap 2-3 WAR player at that time. Saying we dont need him because we have Solarte makes no sense.

 

If the chance is to compete in 3 years it makes no sense in trading for Drury who's to FA.

 

The best chance to compete IMO is going to be in 2020-2022. You'll have Bo and Vlad making league min. and hopefully be 5 Win type players as a well as a lot of other prospects starting to make an impact at the MLB level . You'll also have a ton of financial flexibility to get FA with Tulo, Martin etc off the books.

[Krylian]

When's the last time the Jays sold high on someone?

 

I remember AA sold Nestor Molina very high and got Sergio Santos... Which in theory should've worked out better.

[glory]

If the data they have suggests a significant breakout from Drury then he becomes an asset that they can flip for more than whatever alternative second piece the Yankees would have offered. Let's not get too caught up on timelines and roster construction. This might simply be a case where they feel they can increase their profit by going this route.

 

Yeah that's what I'm guessing. Drury has 3-4 years (whatever it is after his demotion) of control left, meaning the Jays can trade him in a year or two if he performs well. It's more asset management than trying to hit a home run with a lottery ticket. Might work, might not. Remains to be seen.

[Terminator]

What names would you have pushed for?

 

I would have gone for someone ranked in their Top 10 over Drury. Bottom of their top 10 would have been fine. I'm kind of surprised we didn't get an additional lotto ticket too. Someone in their system ranked from 20-30.

[LGBJ29]

What are these reasonable grounds to suspect he will be a 2-3 WAR player?

 

His projections are replacement level, his MLB actual thus far are below replacement level. I think at best he’s a cheap replacement level infielder. Which is fine, but not sexy when we seem to have a glut of them already and they seem fairly easily obtainable via free agency or trades.

 

I just wanted a bit more promise that can compliment the young studs coming in a couple of years. That said I hope Drury turns into an absolute monster, helps the Jays win a World Series and I get made fun of doubting him for years to come.

 

As I've said his minor league profile is quite impressive. He's hit and hit consistently at every level. His scouting profile also describes him as a plus hitter with average power. He's been pretty consistently a 130 wRC+ player his entire minor league career including 144 this season. Not all players can make the jump, but if that can ever transition to the bigs with average defence (OF is a pretty easy position to teach) he could become a t 2-3 WAR player for a few years.

You said he's below replacement level so far, that isnt true. This season in a small sample size yes, however for his short career he is above replacement level.

Nobody is expecting him to break out in a big way and be an all-star, but for him to contribute and be a solid piece for the next 3-5 years is not unreasonable what so ever.

[Pendleton]

when's the last time the jays sold high on someone?

 

I remember aa sold nestor molina very high and got sergio santos... Which in theory should've worked out better.

 

tda?

[LGBJ29]

If the chance is to compete in 3 years it makes no sense in trading for Drury who's to FA.

 

The best chance to compete IMO is going to be in 2020-2022. You'll have Bo and Vlad making league min. and hopefully be 5 Win type players as a well as a lot of other prospects starting to make an impact at the MLB level . You'll also have a ton of financial flexibility to get FA with Tulo, Martin etc off the books.

 

lol Drury is under team control for 2 of those 3 seasons

[burlingtonbandit]

When's the last time the Jays sold high on someone?

 

I remember AA sold Nestor Molina very high and got Sergio Santos... Which in theory should've worked out better.

 

Dominic Leone?

[Boxcar]

I was gonna say Brett Lawrie but I don't really know what happened there.

[Jonn]

My disappointment isn't really so much with Drury who will probably be a useful piece for the next couple of years. It's that you couldn't land one intriguing pitching prospect in a pitching rich system with overwhelming depth especially at the lower levels. We need some more high ceiling arms in the organisation. Outside of Sean Reid-Foley we don't even have legit pitching prospects that miss bats even close to the big leagues. I knew a top prospect from the Yankees was out of the question. But not one high ceiling arm is extremely disappointing. Anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves.

[Terminator]

If the chance is to compete in 3 years it makes no sense in trading for Drury who's to FA.

 

The best chance to compete IMO is going to be in 2020-2022. You'll have Bo and Vlad making league min. and hopefully be 5 Win type players as a well as a lot of other prospects starting to make an impact at the MLB level . You'll also have a ton of financial flexibility to get FA with Tulo, Martin etc off the books.

 

I wonder if Shatkins feels the pressure to turn this thing around sooner than we all think. I have no idea what ownership thinks of them but the teams has sucked the past two years. It's not their fault but sometimes the axe can fall anyway.

[Boxcar]

I wonder if Shatkins feels the pressure to turn this thing around sooner than we all think. I have no idea what ownership thinks of them but the teams has sucked the past two years. It's not their fault but sometimes the axe can fall anyway.

 

I think at minimum they need Tulo and Martin off the books before they can even think of competing.

[Terminator]

So Drury should have 4 years of control left after his demotion right? He's probably a Super 2 though so will hit arb next year?

[Terminator]

I think at minimum they need Tulo and Martin off the books before they can even think of competing.

 

Yeah they have too much dead weight from the previous regime. Despite my thoughts about this deal I do really like Shatkins and I hope they stick around for a long time. I hope ownership agrees.

[Brownie19]

If the chance is to compete in 3 years it makes no sense in trading for Drury who's to FA.

 

The best chance to compete IMO is going to be in 2020-2022. You'll have Bo and Vlad making league min. and hopefully be 5 Win type players as a well as a lot of other prospects starting to make an impact at the MLB level . You'll also have a ton of financial flexibility to get FA with Tulo, Martin etc off the books.

 

Derp level: very high

[Pulk_Pull]

I have no issue with stockpiling assets anywhere on the diamond.

 

This team has so far to go when it comes to constructing a championship calibre rotation that I'm cool if they want to roll the dice with a bunch of infield prospects for a couple years to see what sticks.

[Stoneyen]

As I've said his minor league profile is quite impressive. He's hit and hit consistently at every level. His scouting profile also describes him as a plus hitter with average power. He's been pretty consistently a 130 wRC+ player his entire minor league career including 144 this season. Not all players can make the jump, but if that can ever transition to the bigs with average defence (OF is a pretty easy position to teach) he could become a t 2-3 WAR player for a few years.

You said he's below replacement level so far, that isnt true. This season in a small sample size yes, however for his short career he is above replacement level.

 

He has .8 WAR in over 300 games. So above replacement level, technically yes, but basically no. He more or less has been and currently projects to be replacement level.

 

Nobody is expecting him to break out in a big way and be an all-star, but for him to contribute and be a solid piece for the next 3-5 years is not unreasonable what so ever.

 

While this is true, something similar could be said for "low level lotto ticket prospect ranked 10-20" in the Yanks system, but with a higher ceiling. Im frustrated that our FO didn't try to expand the risk-reward range of outcomes considering the current state of the franchise.

 

This is a good "depth move" that we have been wishing for for the last few years, but we actually have that depth now already.

[BTS]

Roansy Contreras or Deivi Garcia + Drury + Giovanny Gallegos for Happ & Maile

 

That's not at all an acceptable return for Happ and Maile.

 

Yes it is lol

 

A younger version of Solarte, a mediocre relief prospect, and a low level pitcher that wouldn't fit into our top 10 is a ridiculously low return.

 

With Happ being in high demand, we will get substantially more from the Yankees or another team.

 

Good call Grant!

[burlingtonbandit]

I wonder if Shatkins feels the pressure to turn this thing around sooner than we all think. I have no idea what ownership thinks of them but the teams has sucked the past two years. It's not their fault but sometimes the axe can fall anyway.

 

Yeah Ownership is a pretty big wildcard in all this. I give a lot of credit to Shapiro who has to put up with them. For the RC renovations basically my understanding is the plans are all set but ownership hasn't wanted to commit to a plan yet because of the $ involved. I can only imagine how they want a winner fast.

[Terminator]

With Drury on board let's trade Solarte next.

[burlingtonbandit]

lol Drury is under team control for 2 of those 3 seasons

 

Yeah.. I didn't say I liked the Drury trade, I'm saying if you think the best shot to compete is 3 years from now Drury is an impending FA so that doesn't make much sense.

 

I would have rather they acquired a high ceiling player with a larger chance of impact. I don't see much of a difference in Drury compared to the likes of Gurriel, Diaz etc..

[Pendleton]

With Drury on board let's trade Solarte next.

 

Definitely would think that's the plan

[L54]

High floor. Low ceiling. The type of players I was hoping we wouldn't get back... But was expecting.

 

Here's the truth.

 

Some people will just never be satisfied with anything that Shatkins does. They don't like the approach, the philosophy, are loyal to AA... Whatever.

 

Then there are others who are choking on Shatkins balls because the dick is so far down their throat. And regardless of what move is made, they will find a way to justify it and look at the bright side.

 

The truth is in the middle. This is probably what we should've expected for Happ. Is not a horrendous deal... But let's be real, Drury and McKinney are not meaningful building block players.

 

I'm trying to catch up on this thread, but did you really expect a meaningful building block type of return for 3 months of JA Happ?

[Stoneyen]

I'm trying to catch up on this thread, but did you really expect a meaningful building block type of return for 3 months of JA Happ?

 

No, but I hoped for multiple young prospects who had the (small) potential to be a building block type of player.

[L54]

No, but I hoped for multiple young prospects who had the (small) potential to be a building block type of player.

 

It's always good to dream big I guess. The Jays were never getting multiple prospects with that kind of upside for Happ

[JaysFan4Ever]

If these are the two players coming over in the deal, I can't say I'm disappointed nor can I say I'm happy. If there was a bit of a bidding war, maybe a slightly better package, but it seems as if they might have been able to get something different, especially if the Yankees wanted the deal done. I say both not disappointed, and not 100% happy, but considering Happ is a rental, and he's not a Cy Young candidate, despite how impressive he's been for almost 3.5 years, after that trade to Pittsburgh where he dominated, and the time spent here, you weren't getting a king's ransom, but I would think maybe something slightly better. I guess Solarte is heading out next since he's basically redundant now. I just think if other teams were legitimately wanting Happ, either their offers were worse, or these two guys are something they find something to like about. Better than him walking to FA and nothing in return. Like some have said, they could easily resign him in the off season. I guess now we wait and see if they can pull something with a few more guys, and get at least some decent lotto tickets for some BP arms, Solarte, etc..

[Pulk_Pull]

Healthy - JD/Solarte/Diaz/Gurriel/Drury/Travis/Tulo

 

Given the focus should be purely on player evaluation for the rest of 2018, there are too many infielders that need nightly MLB reps to not move a bench/infield piece...

 

With that said, we are one (regularly scheduled) Travis injury away from a Solarte/Diaz/Gurriel/Drury infield. And who the hell knows when Tulo or JD will be ready.

[Krylian]

I'm trying to catch up on this thread, but did you really expect a meaningful building block type of return for 3 months of JA Happ?

 

I wanted a lottery ticket or two. High risk, high reward.

[LGBJ29]

He has .8 WAR in over 300 games. So above replacement level, technically yes, but basically no. He more or less has been and currently projects to be replacement level.

 

Projections at this stage don't really mean much. Outside of top 50 prospects very few players dont project above replacement level until they've have proven MLB success. Gurriel projects at replacement level too, do you see that as his ceiling for the rest of his career?

[Jonn]

I wanted a lottery ticket or two. High risk, high reward.

 

If we got one of those guys in addition to what we got for Happ I would have liked this trade. Without an upside pitching prospect it just not doing anything for me.