Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[Terminator]

Exactly. The "value" of this return lies in a replacement level guy having a sudden breakout at age 26, and becoming an average player. Its not like we desperately need more IF depth.

 

And even if he does breakout we only have him for 3 years so he doesn't even fit in with the Vlad Jr. and Bo timeline. Either the Jays were getting really s***** offers or Shatkins made a bad trade.

[LGBJ29]

Drury isn't a terrible player, maybe he becomes a league average guy. But how is he any better than (a) what we already have in Solarte, Travis, Diaz, etc. or ( a player we could acquire via a small signing or trade in the offseason?

 

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

 

Strange comparison as these 3 players are nothing alike.

 

Solarte for one: He's younger, cheaper and has more upside than Solarte. Solarte's AA and AAA numbers aren't close to as good. I dont see why we're writing off Drury in the bigs putting up better numbers at a fraction of the cost, and with more position versatility

[BTS]

My first thought is that I would have preferred a low-minors prospect with high upside to this, but there's some reason to think that both Drury and McKinney might be decent players right now, so we'll see what happens.

[frizzer1]

So does anyone know how the blue jays' scouting staff is rated?

Are they average, below average?

All I see is a team that has drafted or traded for some quality starters but not many position players..

Right or wrong?

[Stoneyen]

- hits ball hard

- hits ball in the air

- acceptable walk and strikeout rates

- given the mixed bag of results, too early to write him off as a s***** defender

 

It's not a stretch to believe he could be a average or even slightly above average player with proper coaching. It seems the Yankees have helped him be more selective at the plate as well.

 

I know advanced defensive stats kinda suck, but he has a negative UZR/150 at every position he's played. I believe he could have 1-2 average seasons with some BABIP luck and a few more homers, but I really hate targeting a replacement level player in a trade whose range of outcomes barely moves the needle for the team. Especially when we have depth at the position already.

[TheRustler]

Strange comparison as these 3 players are nothing alike.

 

Solarte for one: He's younger, cheaper and has more upside than Solarte. Solarte's AA and AAA numbers aren't close to as good. I dont see why we're writing off Drury in the bigs putting up better numbers at a fraction of the cost, and with more position versatility

 

Interesting coming from the guy that compared him to JD.

[Stoneyen]

He's hit at every level of the minors. His peripherals are good and he's only 25 with 3 years of control at a cheap price.

 

initially I was underwhelmed when I looked at his surface stats, but I dont understand how people can look deep into his numbers and scouting profile and say he's truly awful. What in his numbers suggests he is truly a terrible baseball player? That seems to be more disappointment in the return rather than fair evaluation of the player.

 

His replacement level projections. And replacement level results.

[Boxcar]

And even if he does breakout we only have him for 3 years so he doesn't even fit in with the Vlad Jr. and Bo timeline. Either the Jays were getting really s***** offers or Shatkins made a bad trade.

 

True, he'll be way too expensive in 3 years. I know you think he's a s***** player but he's definitely looking at a 200 million deal in 3 years because every FA former prospect gets the same amount of money.

[Daniel Labude]

So does anyone know how the blue jays' scouting staff is rated?

Are they average, below average?

All I see is a team that has drafted or traded for some quality starters but not many position players..

Right or wrong?

 

What is non existent considered?

[LGBJ29]

Interesting coming from the guy that compared him to JD.

 

lol never compared him to JD, but keep using that as an example rather than giving insightful response troll

[Terminator]

What was Aaron Judge's steamer projection for his first season again? Was it a 180 wRC+?

 

Drury is clearly still developing and everything is trending in the right direction. Sometimes players really do benefit bigly from better coaching.

 

Unless you think Arizona is a better org than the Yanks for that sort of thing. You know, given how interesting the Yankees farm system is despite the fact that they almost always pick at the back of the draft.

 

Seems like the Yankees develop talent pretty well but I'm not sure how being in the Yankees org for 250 ABs in between stints for the D-Bags and Jays is going to make Drury a good player.

[Ziggyy108]

So who's next??

 

Who else do you guys see getting dealt?

[BTS]

So who's next??

 

Who else do you guys see getting dealt?

 

I think Clippard and Granderson find new homes.

[GeorgiaPeach]

If Drury is the main piece, Shatkins will get ripped by the fans. Doesn't make sense.

 

If Team FO's listened to the fanbase, every team would be f***ing garbage

[Terminator]

True, he'll be way too expensive in 3 years. I know you think he's a s***** player but he's definitely looking at a 200 million deal in 3 years because every FA former prospect gets the same amount of money.

 

It seems like you are taking this personal. I just don't like the deal. Seems like we got a marginal improvement on the glut of average to below average infielders that we already have. Would have preferred prospects, even lower level ones. I hope Drury proves me wrong.

[Daniel Labude]

So who's next??

 

Who else do you guys see getting dealt?

 

Braves are pushing for Stroman

[glory]

I think Clippard and Granderson find new homes.

 

I don't see any need for Solarte now with Drury on board, so I think they move him as well.

[burlingtonbandit]

- hits ball hard

- hits ball in the air

- acceptable walk and strikeout rates

- given the mixed bag of results, too early to write him off as a s***** defender

 

It's not a stretch to believe he could be a average or even slightly above average player with proper coaching. It seems the Yankees have helped him be more selective at the plate as well.

 

Average exit Velocity of 88 MPH would seem to disagree he hits the ball hard.

[Boxcar]

So does anyone know how the blue jays' scouting staff is rated?

Are they average, below average?

All I see is a team that has drafted or traded for some quality starters but not many position players..

Right or wrong?

 

Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Kevin Smith, Jordan Groshans, etc. They definitely at least target the right traits in hitters if nothing else. Grichuk was kinda prospecty too when he came over. Sort of like Drury, actually, except a definite decent defender.

[TheRustler]

So who's next??

 

Who else do you guys see getting dealt?

 

Maybe Solarte now? Hopefully a couple of the other relievers.

 

Jays don’t have much else they can trade that will return more than Happ just did unless they trade stroman or maybe osuna?

[LGBJ29]

It seems like you are taking this personal. I just don't like the deal. Seems like we got a marginal improvement on the glut of average to below average infielders that we already have. Would have preferred prospects, even lower level ones. I hope Drury proves me wrong.

 

I think it's more people using insignificant measures to s*** on the deal. I perfectly understand if you dont like the upside. This isn't a high upside trade, like most of us hoped. However, things like team control and service time are a pretty terrible reason not to like it.

[Pendleton]

So who's next??

 

Who else do you guys see getting dealt?

 

Granderson and Solarte, perhaps another reliever or two. Wouldn't be shocked if their contemplating some big Stroman offers

[Daniel Labude]

Watch Hamels get 3 times what we got for Happ

[Boxcar]

It seems like you are taking this personal. I just don't like the deal. Seems like we got a marginal improvement on the glut of average to below average infielders that we already have. Would have preferred prospects, even lower level ones. I hope Drury proves me wrong.

 

It's because idk how you can be so smart when it comes to Donald Trump but so dumb when it comes to this. I had hopes for you and you just set fire to them.

[Pulk_Pull]

While I'm not shocked at the return, I think the mistake here was hoping that the demand (and price) for Happ would increase as we got closer to the deadline. Instead, more teams became sellers + Happ having a poor month = significant drop in his value on the market.

 

I think the media helped fuel some narrative that Happ is some primo piece that could be moved at the deadline due to his great June (and all-star appearance), but the market never materialized.

 

Also.... all the position prospects belong to us!

[Terminator]

Braves are pushing for Stroman

 

That would be awesome. I say we tear this s*** all the way down and go all in on Vlad Jr. and Bo. I've seen enough from this team's core over the past two years. If the Drury trade is any indication though it seems like Shatkins wants to keep treading water which is ok too.

[LGBJ29]

While I'm not shocked at the return, I think the mistake here was hoping that the demand (and price) for Happ would increase as we got closer to the deadline. Instead, more teams became sellers + Happ having a poor month = significant drop in his value on the market.

 

I think the media helped fuel some narrative that Happ is some primo piece that could be moved at the deadline due to his great June (and all-star appearance), but the market never materialized.

 

Also.... all the position prospects belong to us!

 

Honestly I think the last month had little to no impact on Happ's value. If a team had 4 years of good results from Happ and wanted to pull the trigger, then changed their mind based on 4 bad starts they'd be a pretty terrible front office.

[Krylian]

It seems like you are taking this personal. I just don't like the deal. Seems like we got a marginal improvement on the glut of average to below average infielders that we already have. Would have preferred prospects, even lower level ones. I hope Drury proves me wrong.

 

High floor. Low ceiling. The type of players I was hoping we wouldn't get back... But was expecting.

 

Here's the truth.

 

Some people will just never be satisfied with anything that Shatkins does. They don't like the approach, the philosophy, are loyal to AA... Whatever.

 

Then there are others who are choking on Shatkins balls because the dick is so far down their throat. And regardless of what move is made, they will find a way to justify it and look at the bright side.

 

The truth is in the middle. This is probably what we should've expected for Happ. Is not a horrendous deal... But let's be real, Drury and McKinney are not meaningful building block players.

[BTS]

 

Also.... all the position prospects belong to us!

 

Has this FO traded for a single pitching prospect during this re-tool?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Stick to reporting Ken because that's some trash analysis. Drury stinks.

 

What exactly does keeping Happ do for the next 2 months?