Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

My biggest issue of the trade is the Jays need to build a team that is going to win 95 games to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox. I'd rather take a chance on some high upside prospects than players with the ceiling of being average and a likely below average profile. You already have enough of these utility types like Gurriel, Solarte, Travis, Diaz with Bichette and Vladdy on the way.

 

Also while its fine to prefer position players over pitchers you still need pitching and the Jays system doesn't have much in the way of that. They're going to need to deal some of these position players and prospects for pitching.

[Terminator]

It's because idk how you can be so smart when it comes to Donald Trump but so dumb when it comes to this. I had hopes for you and you just set fire to them.

 

I just want to Make the Blue Jays Great Again. I don't hate Drury but I just don't think 3 years of him brings much to the table that we don't already have or could easily acquire via FA. I hope he balls out and you are calling me stupid for my Drury takes this time next year.

[Stoneyen]

I think it's more people using insignificant measures to s*** on the deal. I perfectly understand if you dont like the upside. This isn't a high upside trade, like most of us hoped. However, things like team control and service time are a pretty terrible reason not to like it.

 

I just don't understand why we would not be looking for a high upside return with a rebuild looming. What benefit does cheap control over Drury provide the team that Solarte, Travis, Diaz, LGJ and Biggio don't?

[GeorgiaPeach]

What underlying stats are you looking at that says Drury is anything more than a replacement level utility guy. Serious question

 

Can you imagine if we kept Happ and he dominated like 6 or 7 of his next starts?

[Terminator]

What exactly does keeping Happ do for the next 2 months?

 

I'm glad he was traded, the package we got is a lot better than keeping him. I would have preferred some prospects though, even ones in the lower minors if we had to.

[Slade]

I'm some what interested in McKinney, although we seem to be collecting an alarming amount of players who can't play defense.

[Krylian]

I just don't understand why we would not be looking for a high upside return with a rebuild looming. What benefit does cheap control over Drury provide the team that Solarte, Travis, Diaz, LGJ and Biggio don't?

 

Similar to the draft philosophy. Lots of College picks. Just doesn't seem like this team likes taking chances on kids until they're 21 or so.

[LGBJ29]

My biggest issue of the trade is the Jays need to build a team that is going to win 95 games to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox. I'd rather take a chance on some high upside prospects than players with the ceiling of being average and a likely below average profile. You already have enough of these utility types like Gurriel, Solarte, Travis, Diaz with Bichette and Vladdy on the way.

 

Also while its fine to prefer position players over pitchers you still need pitching and the Jays system doesn't have much in the way of that. They're going to need to deal some of these position players and prospects for pitching.

 

I get that, though Im still not at all getting this Solarte comparison. His ceiling is a cheap 3 WAR player, however he isn't performing at that (0.0) and he's 31 years old. Our chance to compete is in about 3 years. He'll be 34 at that time and likely a negative WAR player. Drury will be 28, still under team control on a cheap arbitration deal. There's reasonable grounds to suspect he could be a cheap 2-3 WAR player at that time. Saying we dont need him because we have Solarte makes no sense.

[bones10]

We got FLEECED lol

[Daniel Labude]

So Stroman for the 50 yr old Chipper Jones....get it done FO!!!

[Krylian]

Can you imagine if we kept Happ and he dominated like 6 or 7 of his next starts?

 

What does that buy us?

[Dr. Dinger]

I think there's a bit more hate for Drury than I understand. He's pretty interesting.

 

Yep. He's 25, hit at almost league average, has some controllable years. He's not sexy but I think a lot of people here had unrealistic expectations for a Happ rental. McKinney is also a possible MLB reg, so not a bad depth package. Strong chance IMHO that Happ is a Jay again next year anyway.

[Boxcar]

High floor. Low ceiling. The type of players I was hoping we wouldn't get back... But was expecting.

 

Here's the truth.

 

Some people will just never be satisfied with anything that Shatkins does. They don't like the approach, the philosophy, are loyal to AA... Whatever.

 

Then there are others who are choking on Shatkins balls because the dick is so far down their throat. And regardless of what move is made, they will find a way to justify it and look at the bright side.

 

The truth is in the middle. This is probably what we should've expected for Happ. Is not a horrendous deal... But let's be real, Drury and McKinney are not meaningful building block players.

 

That's weird because I haven't seen a single person argue that they are.

[Boxcar]

What does that buy us?

 

That's his point, dummy

[Daniel Labude]

I'm glad he was traded, the package we got is a lot better than keeping him. I would have preferred some prospects though, even ones in the lower minors if we had to.

 

It was a great trade, we got a AAA to fill out our minor league roster in Buffalo. The AAA championship here we come!!!!

[KingKat]

I just don't understand why we would not be looking for a high upside return with a rebuild looming. What benefit does cheap control over Drury provide the team that Solarte, Travis, Diaz, LGJ and Biggio don't?

 

If the data they have suggests a significant breakout from Drury then he becomes an asset that they can flip for more than whatever alternative second piece the Yankees would have offered. Let's not get too caught up on timelines and roster construction. This might simply be a case where they feel they can increase their profit by going this route.

[Stoneyen]

Can you imagine if we kept Happ and he dominated like 6 or 7 of his next starts?

 

Obviously we were trading Happ. McKinney is a solid piece, Drury probably sucks though. Would have MUCH preferred some low level high upside guys.

[King]

Pannone @BTS

[GeorgiaPeach]

That would be awesome. I say we tear this s*** all the way down and go all in on Vlad Jr. and Bo. I've seen enough from this team's core over the past two years. If the Drury trade is any indication though it seems like Shatkins wants to keep treading water which is ok too.

 

What names would you have pushed for?

[Dr. Dinger]

You gotta think Solarte is on the move next for pretty much anything.

[TheRustler]

I get that, though Im still not at all getting this Solarte comparison. His ceiling is a cheap 3 WAR player, however he isn't performing at that (0.0) and he's 31 years old. Our chance to compete is in about 3 years. He'll be 34 at that time and likely a negative WAR player. Drury will be 28, still under team control on a cheap arbitration deal. There's reasonable grounds to suspect he could be a cheap 2-3 WAR player at that time. Saying we dont need him because we have Solarte makes no sense.

 

What are these reasonable grounds to suspect he will be a 2-3 WAR player?

 

His projections are replacement level, his MLB actual thus far are below replacement level. I think at best he’s a cheap replacement level infielder. Which is fine, but not sexy when we seem to have a glut of them already and they seem fairly easily obtainable via free agency or trades.

 

I just wanted a bit more promise that can compliment the young studs coming in a couple of years. That said I hope Drury turns into an absolute monster, helps the Jays win a World Series and I get made fun of doubting him for years to come.

[GeorgiaPeach]

My biggest issue of the trade is the Jays need to build a team that is going to win 95 games to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox. I'd rather take a chance on some high upside prospects than players with the ceiling of being average and a likely below average profile. You already have enough of these utility types like Gurriel, Solarte, Travis, Diaz with Bichette and Vladdy on the way.

 

Also while its fine to prefer position players over pitchers you still need pitching and the Jays system doesn't have much in the way of that. They're going to need to deal some of these position players and prospects for pitching.

 

We still have the off season.

[Krylian]

That's weird because I haven't seen a single person argue that they are.

 

The argument is why settle for low ceiling. Look for high risk, high reward.

[BTS]

You gotta think Solarte is on the move next for pretty much anything.

 

Yeah. With what we've seen from him (fat, slow etc...) there really isn't a place for him here @ 5.5M next year with Travis, Gurriel, and Drury all filling the role of "IF who might be replacement level but might also be league average".

[Slade]

I wonder if AA actually makes a play for Stroman, he is the one guy I can see overpay for him and has the prospects to do so.

[Krylian]

If Team FO's listened to the fanbase, every team would be f***ing garbage

 

Don't paint all fans with the same brush. Many are morons. Some actually know what's going on.

[Stoneyen]

If the data they have suggests a significant breakout from Drury then he becomes an asset that they can flip for more than whatever alternative second piece the Yankees would have offered. Let's not get too caught up on timelines and roster construction. This might simply be a case where they feel they can increase their profit by going this route.

 

This is the only angle I would understand. None of the public data suggests to me that Drury should be expected to suddenly be an average or slightly above player. If our FO has reason to believe he will, then obviously its a good move.

[Krylian]

I wonder if AA actually makes a play for Stroman, he is the one guy I can see overpay for him and has the prospects to do so.

 

No one is overpaying for Stroman. Hence, Stro isn't going anywhere.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Don't paint all fans with the same brush. Many are morons. Some actually know what's going on.

 

I agree. But the morons easily have the numbers.

[Pulk_Pull]

While I generally agree... I think his price point and initial asking price from the Jays would be justified if his performance from June was maintained. This is a rental, and recent performances that show cracks in someones game is important when assessing if the price you pay. We're not talking about 2, 3, 4 year projections here. We are talking about every start from Happ having an impact on the pennant race... so ya, 4 games where Happ showed holes in his game does matter as it erodes the confidence in the buyer that they are getting the player from June and not July.

 

Do you think we could of gotten the same package for Oh at the end of June? I doubt it. His bounce back in July helped display that he can still (somewhat) lock it down. It's the same reason why the Jays aren't going to sell JD for a bag of balls. Recent performance (yes, and health) for rentals plays a factor in their value.

 

Again, not saying this is the sole or main reason his price dropped, but a contributing factor.