Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[abola2121]

I wonder what it would take to get Ronny Henriquez from the Marlins? He looks like someone that could dominate the 9th inning as a full time CL.

[Spanky__99]

Can we get some suggestions of trades for Berrios from these clubs? It'd have to be a bad contract for a bad contract type of challenge trade, and I find it highly unlikely that Toronto will move him for that, he still brings value at the back of a championship team's rotation. It'd be a festivus miracle if "Boss" Atkins could pull that off, I'm hoping for a good 2.5 to 3 RA9 WAR season, he might opt out, but I don't think he will, even if that were the case.  

[Spanky__99]

3 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

I wonder what it would take to get Ronny Henriquez from the Marlins? He looks like someone that could dominate the 9th inning as a full time CL.

Miami would hang up.

[JaysForever]

32 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Can we get some suggestions of trades for Berrios from these clubs? It'd have to be a bad contract for a bad contract type of challenge trade, and I find it highly unlikely that Toronto will move him for that, he still brings value at the back of a championship team's rotation. It'd be a festivus miracle if "Boss" Atkins could pull that off, I'm hoping for a good 2.5 to 3 RA9 WAR season, he might opt out, but I don't think he will, even if that were the case.  

Teams will try free agency first. A Berrios trade is unlikley to happen until many of the free agent pitchers are signed. Then they could opt for Berrios because of a lack of options.

The problem for the Blue Jays is that if they trade him late in the offseason, they are stuck filling in the 5th starter role with the leftovers.

 

If they are confident they can move him, then it is best to gamble on signing the 5th starter sooner than later, and then dealing him afterwards.

 

 

 

[Pendleton]

32 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Can we get some suggestions of trades for Berrios from these clubs? It'd have to be a bad contract for a bad contract type of challenge trade, and I find it highly unlikely that Toronto will move him for that, he still brings value at the back of a championship team's rotation. It'd be a festivus miracle if "Boss" Atkins could pull that off, I'm hoping for a good 2.5 to 3 RA9 WAR season, he might opt out, but I don't think he will, even if that were the case.  

 

There are a clubs like the A's and O's who need veteran pitching and will always have a hard time attracting the starters of any quality. They should be interested in Berrios if he's made available. 

[Spanky__99]

19 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

Teams will try free agency first. A Berrios trade is unlikley to happen until many of the free agent pitchers are signed. Then they could opt for Berrios because of a lack of options.

The problem for the Blue Jays is that if they trade him late in the offseason, they are stuck filling in the 5th starter role with the leftovers.

 

If they are confident they can move him, then it is best to gamble on signing the 5th starter sooner than later, and then dealing him afterwards.

 

 

 

That doesn't compute and would be quite unwise, regardless, he isn't going anywhere is my point. No-one will be looking for Berrios with that contract and the way he finished last season, lets keep it real.

[JaysForever]

1 minute ago, Spanky__99 said:

That doesn't compute and would be quite unwise, regardless, he isn't going anywhere is my point. No-one will be looking for Berrios with that contract and the way he finished last season, lets keep it real.

What I am saying, is they need to know before they make the trade that they have someone lined up for the 5th starter role. Otherwise they are just creating another opening.

 

I am assuming in the trade, they are taking back a bad contract too. So its not like they would be ditching him for free.

[Spanky__99]

22 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

 

There are a clubs like the A's and O's who need veteran pitching and will always have a hard time attracting the starters of any quality. They should be interested in Berrios if he's made available. 

I've heard your suggestion on taking on Severino, that'd be great if they could but I don't see it, the O's have to be gunning higher bro, who would they move for Jose and that contract?

[Spanky__99]

10 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

What I am saying, is they need to know before they make the trade that they have someone lined up for the 5th starter role. Otherwise they are just creating another opening.

 

I am assuming in the trade, they are taking back a bad contract too. So its not like they would be ditching him for free.

lol... how likely do you think that is? 5%... who are they trading for, what club, does Berrios have a no trade list? If Bossman can move him, he'd be hands down the best GM in baseball, imo.

[JaysForever]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

lol... how likely do you think that is? 5%... who are they trading for, what club, does Berrios have a no trade list? If Bossman can move him, he'd be handdsdown the best GM in baseball, imo.

He could move him for something worse, let's not crown him the best GM in baseball yet. lol

[Jimcanuck]

52 minutes ago, JaysForever said:

He could move him for something worse, let's not crown him the best GM in baseball yet. lol

I dunno who's better

[R.O.]

I think some teams out there could talk themselves into Berrios.  Good track record. Pitches every start.  His numbers are bad because he was injured.

There is a "cap" in Baseball, and maximising your payroll is important.  Berrios makes too much money for a 5th starter.

Scherzer is talking about "us", maybe he would sign for like 1/5? Is Bowden done? Lauer deserves a shot at the role (lefty would look good in the rotation). What does Tiedemann look like? What does Bloss look like? Would Bassitt sign for 1/5 (probably not, some team will give him term).

The question is: are the Jays better in spending Berrios' money in the bullpen or on him?

What we get back for him probably doesn't matter much (how about some prospects from the mid-range of some teams top 20?)

[Pendleton]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

I've heard your suggestion on taking on Severino, that'd be great if they could but I don't see it, the O's have to be gunning higher bro, who would they move for Jose and that contract?

 

A decent prospect (maybe top 150-200ish range) and change. We reallocate his salary to a high end RP and perhaps bring back one of the veteran SP for the rotation mix 

[Jays24]

I believe in Berrios... eating money when you can spend those resources elsewhere is foolish.  Track records too great to not believe in a bounce back.  

[Brownie19]

4 hours ago, Pendleton said:

 

A decent prospect (maybe top 150-200ish range) and change. We reallocate his salary to a high end RP and perhaps bring back one of the veteran SP for the rotation mix 

If this were true - he'd already have been traded IMO.  Nobody is taking that contract when they can get similiar production for 1/3 the price.

[Joltin Joe]

8 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Can we get some suggestions of trades for Berrios from these clubs? It'd have to be a bad contract for a bad contract type of challenge trade, and I find it highly unlikely that Toronto will move him for that, he still brings value at the back of a championship team's rotation. It'd be a festivus miracle if "Boss" Atkins could pull that off, I'm hoping for a good 2.5 to 3 RA9 WAR season, he might opt out, but I don't think he will, even if that were the case.  

What day F? He's durable with good stuff. What Jays want. 

[Terminator]

Berrios not being around for the World Series was kind of weird. Not sure if he was throwing a fit or what but if he dares to threaten the Power of Friendship dynamic he’ll be traded.

[mphenhef]

11 hours ago, JaysForever said:

He could move him for something worse, let's not crown him the best GM in baseball yet. lol

Berrios for Rendon!

[Omar]

Berrios is here.

He's not leaving. 

He's going to give up 28 bombs in 2026.

And you're all going to watch and enjoy it.  

 

[Pendleton]

6 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

If this were true - he'd already have been traded IMO.  Nobody is taking that contract when they can get similiar production for 1/3 the price.

There are teams (I mentioned the O's and A's) who aren't getting anything of quality out of the free agent pile, and as far as starting pitching goes, there isn't much there anyway. Sure they can try and sign free agent SP's, but once that market completely dries up, they'll have to pivot. Berrios with his track record, may seem more enticing than having to overpay to attract some gas can starter. 

[Spanky__99]

5 hours ago, Joltin Joe said:

What day F? He's durable with good stuff. What Jays want. 

What does this mean? 🤔

[Hipfan]

I really want Bassitt back; loved his performance in the playoffs and he would be a great back of the rotation started in the regular season. I hope they can make room for him.

[Spanky__99]

I really want the 2nd and 3rd peg to fit this OS...

The 1st pegs are done - 1A)Bieber and 1B)Cease, our rotation is set.

2nd Peg,  Bat - one of Bo, Tucker or Belli in that order.

3rd Peg, high leverage arm - there's more than a handful of these guys.

 

[Spanky__99]

35 minutes ago, Hipfan said:

I really want Bassitt back; loved his performance in the playoffs and he would be a great back of the rotation started in the regular season. I hope they can make room for him.

I agree, but... making room is very difficult.

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

I really want the 2nd and 3rd peg to fit this OS...

The 1st pegs are done - 1A)Bieber and 1B)Cease, our rotation is set.

2nd Peg,  Bat - one of Bo, Tucker or Belli in that order.

3rd Peg, high leverage arm - there's more than a handful of these guys.

 

Pegging isn't new to me friendo... but it might be for this board. 

*cough*

 

Agree with your general though process, though i think the 3rd peg will likely be filled via trade rather than FA signing. I think we are going to see a trade that nobody sees coming to fix that

[Laika]

I think the 2026 luxury tax thresholds are:

$244M
$264M
$284M
$304M

Fangraphs says the Jays are already at $263M

$284M is where the bigger surcharges (45%) begin and draft pick penalties begin (you move back ten slots) 

So the Jays can spend another $20M, without moving any money away, assuming they want to avoid beginning the year in the draft pick penalty range. 

But when you are throwing around $210M on Dylan Cease and $500M on Vlad and so forth do you really care about your draft pick sliding back 10 slots? Or one year of a 45% or 60% surcharge on the luxury tax you pay? Maybe they just blow it out of the water this year. 

There is about $91M coming off the books after 2026 (Springer, Gausman, Varsho, Bieber, Lauer, Yimi, Straw). Some of that money doesn't necessarily need to be used again immediately. They obviously need a CF and will probably add at least one SP. But, a chance to let payroll trickle back down so they aren't above the upper thresholds with no way out of it for years on end.

[Sorrow]

I wonder if the Diamondbacks would take Berrios in a Marte trade.

say something like Marte for Berrios, Nimmala, Shreck, + +

[Nexii]

I don't think we need to trade Berrios. He's projected for like 1.5 WAR, that's not awful for a #5 starter.

We need bullpen help way more.

• Little - 0.4
• Fisher - 0.3
• Nance - 0.1
• Lauer - 0.3
• Seranthony - 0.5
• Yariel - 0.2
• Fluhary - 0.1
• Garcia - 0.4
• Varland - 0.9

This is not a good bullpen projection

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

3 minutes ago, Nexii said:

I don't think we need to trade Berrios. He's projected for like 1.5 WAR, that's not awful for a #5 starter.

We need bullpen help way more.

• Little - 0.4
• Fisher - 0.3
• Nance - 0.1
• Lauer - 0.3
• Seranthony - 0.5
• Yariel - 0.2
• Fluhary - 0.1
• Garcia - 0.4
• Varland - 0.9

This is not a good bullpen projection

 

I wonder if Seranthony and the Jays have any appetite for a reunion? He seemed to fit in well.

 

Would still love to see a closer added, and they could probably get both Fairbanks and Seranthony for about $20-25 million combined i would think.

[glory]

Theres’s $90M coming off the books but they’ll also have to replace Springer, Varsho, Gausman and Bieber next season without any obvious (for now) internal candidates. How they balance going for it in 2026 with sustainability beyond that will be interesting to see. I think going into Cohen territory makes sense for 2026. The team is set up to win now and there’s CBA uncertainty next season, so take advantage of what’s in front of you. If the CBA changes for 2027, or even if it’s an altered version of the current one, then you pivot from there. One thing though is if you’re handing out big contracts, then make sure it’s for impact. Cease fits that criteria. Berrios, Santander, and Gimenez do not. The latter are the contracts that have more potential to hurt you. So if the Jays are going into Cohen territory, then go for the top end FAs.