Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Jimcanuck]

Santander doesn't get moved this off-season.  How would it feel to eat some money to move him, and he hits 40 HR somewhere.

If he sucks next season and the Jays are contending, he gets moved then.

[Vancouverite]

4 hours ago, jmomcc said:

Cease, Bieber, Gausman, Yesavage, Berrios is a pretty damn good rotation. That would be amazing. 

With an amazing track record for durability for Cease, Gausman and Berrios.

Bieber too excluding the TJS

Yesavge we need to protect.

But yes I agree Cease id love it for us to be our top target and bring Bo back

 

Santander being healthy will he a big boost for next year offensively 

[Terminator]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

I have 0 interest in Grisham, he’s basically Varsho with a worse glove.

Main targets should be Bo/Tucker/Bellinger IMO. You gotta try hard to sign one of those guys.

Bellinger scares me but the defense and positional flexibility is nice.

2017-2020: Superstar

2021-2022: The worst hitter in baseball

2023: Bounceback season but actually wasn't that good under the hood

2024: Very mid

2025: Actual bounce back season but his home/road splits are scary and Yankee Stadium boosted his HR total

[Jonn]

37 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Santander doesn't get moved this off-season.  How would it feel to eat some money to move him, and he hits 40 HR somewhere.

If he sucks next season and the Jays are contending, he gets moved then.

Not going to happen so I'm not worried about it at all. Would honestly prefer Lukes plays over him. Get him off my team.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Let's say they land Cease and bring back Bo for 2B.

How does that stack up from last years 94 win team that also won 10 playoff games?

1. Bo at 2B and Giminez at SS

2. Full year of Bieber instead of Bassitt

3. Cease instead of Lauer in the rotation

4. Full year of Yesavage instead of Scherzer

5. 300 more PA's for Varsho, 300 less for Lukes and Straw

6. Full year of hopefully a healthy Santander (-0.9 fWAR to 1.3 fWAR is a net positive of 2.2 fWAR)

 

That could be fun.

Just hoping the Jays get one of Cease/Suarez/Valdez and one of Bo/Tucker/Belly

Make the Yankees their beeyotch again 

[ValiantJaysFan]

Cease hasn’t really been that good the past couple of seasons, I wouldn’t be too excited about him. In fact he’d probably be the number 4 guy in the playoffs assuming Yesavage doesn’t Ricky Romero/Alex Manoah us. I would much rather get a lefty, either via FA or trade. If not Skubal then Suarez or somebody. Ideally someone that moves everyone down a slot, Gausman becomes the number 2…because he might not be around past 2026, we are going to need a guaranteed ace to carry the rotation with clarity moving forward. 
 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

Not going to happen so I'm not worried about it at all. Would honestly prefer Lukes plays over him. Get him off my team.

Yer dum.

1 injury-ridden season of poor performance isn’t changing the front office’s opinion on him, the same one that just signed him to a long-term deal.

You sound like all the “Brendan Little is useless” dumbos that came out of the woodwork after a couple bad playoff appearances.

Santander will be the 3rd best hitter on the team after Vlad/Bo next season, watch.

[Brownie19]

30 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Cease hasn’t really been that good the past couple of seasons, I wouldn’t be too excited about him. In fact he’d probably be the number 4 guy in the playoffs assuming Yesavage doesn’t Ricky Romero/Alex Manoah us. 
 

[saskjayfan]

5 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

I'll never forget this, P.O.S.

As much as Valdez is a good pitcher, I agree completely.  I don't want him at all.  The chase should be for Cease, Woodruff or Imai. I would be shocked if Bo doesn't resign here.  He really is an introvert.  He's comfortable here. I think he wants to be here.  They'll figure out the money.  

[GoBlue41]

3 minutes ago, saskjayfan said:

As much as Valdez is a good pitcher, I agree completely.  I don't want him at all.  The chase should be for Cease, Woodruff or Imai. I would be shocked if Bo doesn't resign here.  He really is an introvert.  He's comfortable here. I think he wants to be here.  They'll figure out the money.  

I'm just wondering what the time frame will be for Bo's negotiations. Is it wishful thinking to think that it could be over soon? What are the expectations for the timing of it all? 

[saskjayfan]

1 minute ago, GoBlue41 said:

I'm just wondering what the time frame will be for Bo's negotiations. Is it wishful thinking to think that it could be over soon? What are the expectations for the timing of it all? 

No clue.  Agents tend to get in the way!  I don't expect his market to get too crazy.  My hope is he signs early and we get him on the Atkins diet(pun intended).  Bo had an amazing year with the bat.  He can really swing it, but he was in the worst shape of his career this year.  The extra weight hurt his defense and base running. 

[Jonn]

29 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yer dum.

1 injury-ridden season of poor performance isn’t changing the front office’s opinion on him, the same one that just signed him to a long-term deal.

You sound like all the “Brendan Little is useless” dumbos that came out of the woodwork after a couple bad playoff appearances.

Santander will be the 3rd best hitter on the team after Vlad/Bo next season, watch.

Lets hope you’re right. Just don’t think he should be factored much in improving the team.

[Rynodb1]

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Just now, Rynodb1 said:

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

Many don't think so but I do. He's one of the best starters in the game but only has 1 year for control left. 

Plus two of the biggest suitors for him have loaded rotations already, being the Yankees and Dodgers.

I could certainly see the Mets and Red Sox taking a run at him though, which would drive up the price for sure. 

[L54]

1 hour ago, Rynodb1 said:

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

Yes for sure. Question is is it worth it for one season 

[GoBlue41]

3 minutes ago, L54 said:

Yes for sure. Question is is it worth it for one season 

Can't really answer that until next season is over .... :) In all seriousness, I think it could be worth it to make a run next year, but I can't imagine the front office doing it without a longer term deal in play, 

[jmomcc]

1 hour ago, Rynodb1 said:

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

I didn't realize its only one year of skubal. Crochet had two years left.

So, i'm not sure but you'd think there are teams that could beat it. 

[L54]

Just now, GoBlue41 said:

Can't really answer that until next season is over .... :) In all seriousness, I think it could be worth it to make a run next year, but I can't imagine the front office doing it without a longer term deal in play, 

And I don’t think Skubal is signing anything until he hits free agency. A Boras client about to sign the largest pitching deal ever 

Id honestly rather use prospects to trade for someone with control. Lots of starters to trade for.  So much injury risk for a starter too I can’t say I’m a fan of taking that risk 

 

[abola2121]

1 hour ago, Rynodb1 said:

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

We do, but it's not worth decimating the farm system for a 1-year rental (after already trading a bunch of prospects at the deadline). I'd rather the FO make a big free agent splash and get someone like Imai instead.

[jmomcc]

Skubal is projected for roughly 6 wins. At $10m per win that's about $60m. 

So that's roughly a 50fV hitter and a 50FV pitcher plus something else (50fV hitter is 28m and pitcher is 21m). So, like Nimmala and Bloss/Tieddeman who are both 50FV on fangraphs. Then you'd have to add a real prospect to that as well. 

[L54]

Kinda doubt the FO wants three expiring starters in the rotation anyway

[Eat My Shatkins]

42 minutes ago, L54 said:

Kinda doubt the FO wants three expiring starters in the rotation anyway

I agree, that's why I'm thinking they will go hard after one of the top FA starters. With just Berrios and Yesavage under control in '27 they will want to have another solid starting pitcher under control I would think. Plus they get to keep the prospects.

 

Goddamn would our rotation be awesome on paper if they added Skubal though.

[L54]

10 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I agree, that's why I'm thinking they will go hard after one of the top FA starters. With just Berrios and Yesavage under control in '27 they will want to have another solid starting pitcher under control I would think. Plus they get to keep the prospects.

 

Goddamn would our rotation be awesome on paper if they added Skubal though.

Ya I’d be surprised if they didn’t add somebody with control either via trade or FA. Pretty much have to 

[Landry_25]

3 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I agree, that's why I'm thinking they will go hard after one of the top FA starters. With just Berrios and Yesavage under control in '27 they will want to have another solid starting pitcher under control I would think. Plus they get to keep the prospects.

 

Goddamn would our rotation be awesome on paper if they added Skubal though.

Would be an absolutely deadly rotation! Honestly if he wasn’t a borass client on an expiring contract I’d probably take him in. But I hate that weasel prick of an agent 

[Olerud363.354]

12 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

You're just trolling now Olerud.

Not trolling at all.  They tried to hit Vlad second multiple times since 2021.  He doesn't hit as well and the experiment ends after a few weeks.  They tried for the first 70 games or so this year.   

I like Lukes, I even like Hoffman and regardless whether you think Lukes should play ahead of Santander or not he probably shouldn't hit second.   In game 7 the closer spot and the 2nd spot in the lineup killed us.  And part of the issue with Lukes second is the risk Straw ends up there late in the game (which he did).  

Most games these things don't burn you.  But in the most critical game of the season it did. 

Mookie and Lucas hit about the same regular season and World Series.  People keep making jokes that now Mookie is a glorified slap hitter and shadow of his former self, but Lukes hitting at the same level is fine.  Mookie got moved down in the lineup and everyone thought it was a good move.  Nathan Lukes performed about the same but still hit second games 6 and 7.   In retrospect Vlad was great hitting second in LA, so maybe they should have taken the opportunity to keep him there games 6 and 7. 

Going forward need to consider the second spot in the lineup and the closer spot when constructing the roster.  This could be getting Vlad comfortable hitting second.   This could be getting Hoffman back to 2024 form.  This could be signing Bo and hitting him second.  Or Barger if he keeps taking steps forward.

Can't have second spot with a lower OPS then closer has OPS against.  Dodgers made adjustment in World Series to prevent that.

[jaysblue]

12 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Why not just say you like Belli and leave it at that, the loops you jump through are unfathomable, man? Legit.

What are you saying? Geez having baseball discussion.

I'm not sure if the Jays would sign both an infielder like Bregman or Torres + another outfielder like Tucker or Belli since they likely have Santander in the outfield fold. If they want to keep Barger in RF, signing an infielder like Bregman makes sense. If they want to move Barger to 3B full time, then they could sign an outfielder like Tucker or Belli. 

Santander is really the one clogging up a spot. Will be interesting to see what decision the Jays make. 

[jaysblue]

9 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Santander doesn't get moved this off-season.  How would it feel to eat some money to move him, and he hits 40 HR somewhere.

If he sucks next season and the Jays are contending, he gets moved then.

Yeah I don't see the Jays waving the white flag on Santander just yet given his contract and offensive potential when healthy. It's not like any team would take on the contract right now anyways. Jays would have to eat some money to move him, so even if the Jays added let's say Bregman + one of Tucker/Belli (which is unlikely) better keeping Santander around rather than paying him to play somewhere else. 

[glory]

I’m sure there’s some buyer’s remorse with the Santander signing but I doubt they will look to dump him. There’s a real chance for a bounce back season if he’s healthy next season. It should help compensate for whatever decline Springer sees with the bat.

The Jays will definitely add a controllable SP now with the lack of controllable SPs on the team. Bieber adds a bit more stability to the rotation in 2026 so maybe that makes a high upside play (Imai, Woodruff, King) something they consider over a high floor (Suarez).

[Jimcanuck]

BA now has Yesavage as #5 prospect, behind Griffin, McGonigle, Wetherholt, and Basallo.

[Brownie19]

8 hours ago, Rynodb1 said:

Does anybody think we have the prospects to make a real run at Skubal?

Not at all.  I'm already tired of people suggesting it to be frank.  I guess miracles do happen, but there's little to no chance IMO.

Detroit has a good core with Kevin McGonigle on his way.  I think they end up extending him.  He's too important and good not to.