The Ship is Sinking

[mikepelfrey]

Nate Pearson you’re up

 

Pearson isn’t bad, to me his biggest problem is that the expectations for him were through the roof. It’s hard for anyone to live up to that. Bo is suffering from a form of that too. Except in his case it’s his own expectations, by trying to do too much he’s getting more and more frustrated and can’t do anything.

 

Maybe what this team needs is a good psychologist.

[connorp]

Pearson isn’t bad, to me his biggest problem is that the expectations for him were through the roof. It’s hard for anyone to live up to that. Bo is suffering from a form of that too. Except in his case it’s his own expectations, by trying to do too much he’s getting more and more frustrated and can’t do anything.

 

Maybe what this team needs is a good psychologist.

 

Bro. He’s almost 28 and career ERA and matching FIP of 5.00. Never had a single meaningful stretch of time in any season. He’s objectively flopped. You’re being like the little league dad with the kid that bats last and sucks and trying to be positive about it. Maybe point out a couple stolen bases that got past the catcher

[tazsub3]

shitkins not fired yet? maybe we need rogers to sell the team so we can hope again

[MikeM3]

This is trending towards the most soulless corporatized experience in baseball. Everything about it feels completely autonomous. Pay your admission fee to stand in line for beers to socialize in the designated area while you watch 0.5 innings total of a team that evokes not a single ounce of emotion out of you.

 

Led by a collection of the dumbest of AI managers who can't give you an original thought about anything and look like they have inputs from 10 people sitting around a board room.

 

Sure, your mind might wander about being an A's fan sitting in an empty stadium banging drums and watching Joey Estes throw a complete game shutout but quickly you'll be zapped back to the reality that is your 33 year old mercenary blue Jay performing his task at an exactly league average level

 

Forever

[BatFlip]

This is trending towards the most soulless corporatized experience in baseball. Everything about it feels completely autonomous. Pay your admission fee to stand in line for beers to socialize in the designated area while you watch 0.5 innings total of a team that evokes not a single ounce of emotion out of you.

 

Led by a collection of the dumbest of AI managers who can't give you an original thought about anything and look like they have inputs from 10 people sitting around a board room.

 

Sure, your mind might wander about being an A's fan sitting in an empty stadium banging drums and watching Joey Estes throw a complete game shutout but quickly you'll be zapped back to the reality that is your 33 year old mercenary blue Jay performing his task at an exactly league average level

 

Forever

 

that was poetic. Thanks for reminding me it could be worse - I could be an A's fan.

[Laika]

that was poetic. Thanks for reminding me it could be worse - I could be an A's fan.

 

Is that even worse?

 

There is a freedom that comes with having no expectations.

 

There is that persistent glimmer of hope that a once-progressive front office will find a way to return to being progressive and successful.

 

There is the realistic hope that MLB just does an Expos thing and forcibly buys the team.

 

Their jerseys are nice.

[BigCecil]

This is trending towards the most soulless corporatized experience in baseball. Everything about it feels completely autonomous. Pay your admission fee to stand in line for beers to socialize in the designated area while you watch 0.5 innings total of a team that evokes not a single ounce of emotion out of you.

 

Led by a collection of the dumbest of AI managers who can't give you an original thought about anything and look like they have inputs from 10 people sitting around a board room.

 

Sure, your mind might wander about being an A's fan sitting in an empty stadium banging drums and watching Joey Estes throw a complete game shutout but quickly you'll be zapped back to the reality that is your 33 year old mercenary blue Jay performing his task at an exactly league average level

 

Forever

 

I was thinking this morning about '21 and many of our reactions on here the day after we were ousted from playoffs after having incredible seasons from Ray, Teo, Vlad & Semien.

 

Some were optimistic saying "what great experience for our young talent, and if we only played the whole season at RC we would have dominated. We will continue to improve." Nothing wrong with that, its just baseball performance isn't linear. Sometimes you have to jump on the opportunity hard and push more chips in.

 

Others were "What a waste. I hope to f*** we didn't just blow our best shot in this window."

 

Been a tough time. I feel in a place I've not been since '77. When the teams have sucked in past it was low expectations and I didn't get as pissed as I am now. I knew what I was in for and soaked up the good stuff and funny moments with Kawasaki or big crazy comebacks from multiple grand slams Steve Pearce. Or big Shawn Green Delgado seasons...or starts from Doc or Clemens. I hitter Brendan Morrow. Wins and big moments were all found money joys.

 

Our global catering company catered everything at Skydome. In the late 90's we went from 170 corporate boxes being sold to 7. It was a disaster. I just don't see baseball fans in Canada giving Rogers the support if the team continues on this trajectory. The Leafs? Sure. Its a hockey town.

 

I feel completely the opposite now in terms of joy factor and expectations. Mad at the FO at times irrationally loathing new cup holders, $17 beers and our old s***** expensive team with a s***** farm. I'm wishing for low expectations again.

 

The Board and committee will keep Shatkins in place through to off season with tighter restrictions on approvals, and then punt Ross and Schneider. Shapiro will be on shorter leash but stay...and we start again in re- tool mode.

[leaffie]

i am in Seattle for the games and it is crawling with Jays fans. Most that I have spoken to say the same thing. They would not be here if they hadnt bought the tickets early. Never seen such a dismal team. Tried to sell their tickets but no one wanted them. Most disappointed they have ever been in team. HATE shatkins.

 

And in my case, while agreeing with all, I am old and probably wont be around to see a turn around. I hate shatkins, because there is NO hope, the farm is a wasteland, and they should have never been hired.

 

But I have a 7 year old grandson that is so excited and I am hoping that this trip will solidify the love of baseball in him. And I wait with bated breath for the powers that be to fire shatkins forever and the sooner the better.

[glory]

Yeah this feels a lot like the 2009 and 2017 seasons. Very boring team, boring farm system, and we can’t really look forward to anything without massive changes which may or may not happen (it did happen in 2009 with AA and the 2010 retool/rebuild, not so much in 2017-18). There’s practically no chance this team does anything at the deadline except trade impending FAs, so the rest of the season will playing out the string with a core that has 1 year left on it. The worst thing about the 2023 identify shift is that Atkins just brought in boring white dudes. “Put your head down and act like you’ve done it before” types. A bunch of Grichuk’s personality wise. The Phillies give ice cooler baths every post game and everyone loves it, but Vlad does it and his teammates look like they want to kill him. The vibes suck. Just a boring product in every possible way.

[BigCecil]

i am in Seattle for the games and it is crawling with Jays fans. Most that I have spoken to say the same thing. They would not be here if they hadnt bought the tickets early. Never seen such a dismal team. Tried to sell their tickets but no one wanted them. Most disappointed they have ever been in team. HATE shatkins.

 

And in my case, while agreeing with all, I am old and probably wont be around to see a turn around. I hate shatkins, because there is NO hope, the farm is a wasteland, and they should have never been hired.

 

But I have a 7 year old grandson that is so excited and I am hoping that this trip will solidify the love of baseball in him. And I wait with bated breath for the powers that be to fire shatkins forever and the sooner the better.

 

That is so cool for your grandson. They will love it regardless. And that’s a good thing. Started taking my son at 4 in the Colby Rasmus era (we still play his walk up country song) and as you say that solidifies a love of the game through all the highs and lows. He is now a die hard Jays fan and I hope same for your grandson.

Edited July 5, 2024 by BigCecil

[AMS528]

Really a huge part of that feeling is that our young players did not turn out as expected.

 

Kirks bat looked great, and now he's a backup at best. Manoah was an *******, but our ******* and he went out there and struck out the side in an All-Star game and suddenly he falls apart. Even when it looked like he could recover a bit, it was done.

 

Vladdy was an MVP world beater for a season and has been disappointing until he turned it around the last couple of months, now there's some hope with him but it's muted by the fact that Bo turned into a pumpkin this year and unlike Vlad doesn't seem to have much interest in staying long term anyways (at least Vlad is perpetually talking about wanted to play with the Jays forever, that's worth something). With Vlad as well now there's ingrained skepticism where instead of being super excited about him, what you're waiting for is for him to turn back to hitting ground balls or long flyouts to CF. There's no fun in that.

 

None of high draft picks have turned into top 10 or even top 20 prospects to dream on. The only one who could like Tiedemann has stalled this year and last because of injuries. No one is getting that excited for Davis Schneider, Barger, Ernie Clement or Leo Jimenez (if Horwitz plays second consistently he could be worth a lot I suppose). Barriera sucks, we traded Hoglund for Chapman, we traded Martin for Berrios. Groshans sucked. None of those guys look like they would have been top prospects either anyways.

 

So then you're left with free agents and guys you trade for who can but don't always create that level of excitement. Springer had too many injuries when he was still really good. Free agents like IKF aren't exactly seat fillers. Gausman has a couple of great seasons but never inspired the confidence of like a Halladay. Even when he was statistically better Manoah was more intimidating out there. Berrios just makes you wonder how he became so much worse while with us.

Edited July 5, 2024 by AMS528

[Masterbather]

i am in Seattle for the games and it is crawling with Jays fans. Most that I have spoken to say the same thing. They would not be here if they hadnt bought the tickets early. Never seen such a dismal team. Tried to sell their tickets but no one wanted them. Most disappointed they have ever been in team. HATE shatkins.

 

And in my case, while agreeing with all, I am old and probably wont be around to see a turn around. I hate shatkins, because there is NO hope, the farm is a wasteland, and they should have never been hired.

 

But I have a 7 year old grandson that is so excited and I am hoping that this trip will solidify the love of baseball in him. And I wait with bated breath for the powers that be to fire shatkins forever and the sooner the better.

 

Hey man don't kill yourself off like that! I look forward to the day we win a championship with you alive and well to celebrate. Maybe when they fire Shatkins, it'll rejuvenate you like the Lazarus pit.

 

Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

[connorp]

Actually worse would be a White Sox fan. Like 3+ years ago (or longer idk) they were on the upswing. New playoff team just getting started. Built for long term success. Boom.

[John_Havok]

Hey man don't kill yourself off like that! I look forward to the day we win a championship with you alive and well to celebrate. Maybe when they fire Shatkins, it'll rejuvenate you like the Lazarus pit.

 

Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

 

Leaffie isn't a man, but i agree with the gist of your post.

[Masterbather]

Leaffie isn't a man, but i agree with the gist of your post.

Thanks for the info, although in real life I colloquially say "hey man" to everybody as a general greeting anyhow, even if they're not a man, but it's good to be in the know.

[leaffie]

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Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

 

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

[L54]

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Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

 

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

 

Well there ya go! Trip got off to a good start in game 1 and hopefully you and your squad get to see at least one win

[Spanky99]

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Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

 

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

 

Awesome.

[connorp]

[quote

 

Your grandson is at the age where memories like this will stick with him. Good stuff!

 

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

 

Hopefully they’re not at that inquisitive age where they’re wondering how come the Bluejays can’t get hit very well

[Stangstag]

Actually worse would be a White Sox fan. Like 3+ years ago (or longer idk) they were on the upswing. New playoff team just getting started. Built for long term success. Boom.

 

Jays have pretty much been the same kinda team. Great core primed to explode, but just fell apart.

 

Orioles have been what the Jays/Sox hoped to be

[G-Snarls]

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

 

That's awesome

[Masterbather]

You are absolutely right. The place was electric with Jays fans and even though they lost,it was a very good game.

Typical Jays offence, but BEST of all, my granddaughter caught a foulball off vladdy, my grandsons favourite.

 

The whole row behind us was very large young men and in the midst of them she stuck up her hand and caught it.

It was honestly amazing and my grandson was so excited, words cant describe. She gave the ball to Elliott. It was so special he or she will never forget it.

 

And now he has a ball hit by Vladdy. And that is why I love baseball.

 

Totally awesome! Glad to hear you all had that experience together. Indeed this is why many of feel a romanticism with the game of baseball.