mikepelfrey

Spanky 99 obviously you don’t like being exposed for who and what you are, do you? Well don’t worry there are more of us who believe in free speech than there are of you. And they aren’t going anywhere. If you want ban me….all it wil do is prove even further who and what you are. My life doesn’t revolve around your tiny little fiefdom. Never has. As I’ve said before wolves fight in packs, a lion fights alone, the whole board knows you’re a wolf, you and BTS, can pretend you run your tiny fiefdom all you like, the rest of us know better and Don’t Care.

Seems to me, that with comments like this, we should be looking for a new moderator. As in one who doesn’t blatantly threaten other members. BJMB Moderation Team, is that what the “ Negativity Police” is calling itself nowadays? Seems to me they used to be called “The Gestapo” once too.

Why should he or anyone else be banned unless it’s for a serious infraction of common sense rules of personal conduct. A healthy forum invites vigorous discussion. I honestly think that because of the state of the franchise we sometimes let our passion for baseball and the Blue Jays get away from us. I know I have on occasion. If we start with the fact that we all want the same thing, a winning team, there should be no reason for discord. And as I said before, I welcome all ideas because being stuck in mediocrity is no fun. It seems that even the players we like are looking to jump ship.

No they are members of this forum, one of whom Sent me this message: “Wilko is trying to bait you to out the poster who sent you the PM, which is obviously me.” The fact is I would never out them to you or anyone. Because I believe everyone has a right to their own opinions. The sad part is that the “negativity police” as this poster refers to you as, exist at all. What right does anyone have to try and control another’s thoughts, especially when we are all blue jays fans. Not everyone believes the road to reconstruction of this team into a contender and future championship quality team should follow the same blueprint, some want to send Bichette away while others want to keep him. To me that’s unimportant. What should be important is that each of us share the same desire that the team becomes relevant again. I believe that Shapiro and Atkins, and I make no secret of this, have been here long enough to show that they are unqualified to fulfill that task… you can disagree with my opinion, in fact I welcome those of you who want to share your opinion as to why you think I am wrong. What I don’t agree with are those of you who try to intimidate others, by use of so called negativity police. Each of us has a voice, none of us are perfect, and none of us knows everything. Given that, all of us should be able to express ourselves freely without fear or favor…. And I for one will continue doing that. I think reasonable people should all have no use for anyone who uses intimidation as a means of limiting others. And as a point of interest. I believe it was Wilko who invited me to this forum years ago, and for that I thank him. So I doubt he was deliberately trying to bait me, if he’s the same Wilko. He already knows I’m not one to betray a friend

Yeah it’s reminiscent of the old branch Rickey quote: “it’s better to trade a player one year too soon, than to trade him one year too late” It’s just smart baseball.

Yeah it’s reminiscent of the old branch Rickey quote: “it’s better to trade a player one year too soon, than to trade him one year too late” It’s just smart baseball.

Thanks for the info, it make sense. No GM worth their salt doesnt do their due diligence this time of year, it is after all their livelihood and it is in their best interest to be informed. But it’s nice to know when someone is in a position to give a bit more detail. Keep us informed when you hear anything else. I’m sure the board agrees

Too bad Bts, why would I melt down when several other members tell me you’re clueless and to ignore you for the fool you are. I just figure I’ll do the Christian thing and educate you. The fact is Shapiro and Atkins Will eventually be let go, and nothing you say will change that. It’s the nature of the game.

No youre wrong, they had no idea how long whether it was a year and a half of Lee or ten years, WHEN THE TRADE WAS MADE, they traded a reigning Cy Young winner in his prime for Carrasco and 3 prospects who never amounted to anything. Anyway you twist it that’s a horrible return. Once you trade a player how long he lasts with his new team, is no longer in your control. If Shapiro had not traded Lee, he very well may have resigned in Cleveland and finished his career there. We have no way of knowing The fact is Shapiro traded a reigning Cy Young winner in his prime for Carrasco and 3 guys who never amounted to much, no matter how you spin it they lost that trade. To say anything else is disingenuous.

Actually I just got a private message saying the opposite. That I should ignore the “negativity police” and keep speaking my truth. I told them not to worry. I love the Mets and my BlueJays too much not to defend them. I’ve been here since the Prosprortsdaily days and many of the Old Guard are personal friends. I respect them too much to let some “negativity police” stop me from speaking my truth. Those of us who were here in those days, would NEVER let some pissant do that. You’re gonna find there are more of us than there are of you. Real Jays fans Unite. Always speak your truth.

Joke all you want, but Lee also out pitched Halladay in the post season too, by a pretty good margin. Carrasco was not a good return for Lee. Just like he wouldn’t have been for Halladay either. When you trade a hall of fame caliber pitcher, you definitely want something more than a journeyman .500 pitcher. Or at least you should. And like I said I wasn’t knocking Lee or Sizemore. I was just saying there were extenuating circumstances in that trade. It’s not often that a team is in danger of being contracted and going out of business Minaya felt he had to do something to try and get them a championship so that baseball couldn’t get rid of them. If baseball decided that the Jays were irrelevant and were going to move the team out of Toronto, to say New Orleans, wouldn’t you want your GM to do everything they could to force baseball to change its mind? Damn straight you would. The jays are like going to trade all their impending free agents because they don’t want to lose them for nothing. That’s also an extenuating circumstance. It’s just how the game is these days. But when Minaya did it, it was not common as it is now. Some fans want to tear it all down, like the astros and braves did, Tank and use the draft to build a powerhouse of young stars. And they might be right but ownership doesn’t seem to want to do that. They seem more interested in selling tickets. My personal opinion is Anthopoulos saw that way before anybody else did and that’s why he left

No you keep up, you got a 500 pitcher who wasn’t an ace for a guy who went 22-3 and had just won the Cy Young in his prime (0nly 29 at the time of the trade), the rest of the package pretty much bombed out. How in hell was that a good return? Are you stoned or something. That’s like trading Vlad Guerrero for Steve Pearce

No brownie I wasn’t knocking carrasco, I just was saying correctly I might add, he wasn’t a staff ace like Halladay, Sabathia and Verlander were. Carrasco, was a clear step down,

No brownie I wasn’t knocking carrasco, I just was saying correctly I might add, he wasn’t a staff ace like Halladay, Sabathia and Verlander were. Carrasco, was a clear step down as his lifetime 110-100 record easily proves. By way of comparison: Halladay 203 - 105 Sabathia 251 -161 Verlander 260 - 143 Those three could carry a staff. Carrasco could not. Only an idiot would think Carrasco was their equal.

That’s not really how it went down as Ken Rosenthal reported at the time: “ But there were also some strong rumors that 2002 could be the Expos final year in Montreal, there were rumors of contraction of the franchise. Owner Jeff Lurie was not the most upfront of business guys when it came to the franchise either. Omar Minaya, then the Expos’ GM, was trying to orchestrate what he thought might be the team’s last hurrah — the Expos, surprise contenders in ’02, were facing the possibility that their owner, Major League Baseball, would eliminate them through contraction. Minaya had been named GM just a few days before spring training started. The Expos didn’t even have scouting reports on their own minor leaguers; their previous owner, Jeffrey Loria, had taken them to his new team, the Florida Marlins. “There wasn’t much focus on minor-league players,” says Minaya, who is now the Padres’ senior vice president of baseball operations. “The No. 1 priority was not long-term. Long-term, we were going to be contracted. And if you were going to be contracted, the No. 1 priority was to be as competitive as you can. “I had no choice, I was trying to save my franchise.” “Every team in baseball was pretty much looking at drafting those players (in a dispersal draft). Before I left the Mets (in early 2002), every team had an exercise, (trying to figure out) what players they were going to get.” As reported by the associated press the next day: “ The Expos, who are owned and operated by MLB and are still the most likely team to be contracted, yesterday traded 1B Lee Stevens and three prospects to the Indians for P Bartolo Colon. The Expos are 41-36 and in second place in the NL East. In Toronto, Jeff Blair calls the trade "a gutsy move sure to send shockwaves throughout [MLB]." Realizing "this could be the final season for baseball in Montreal," Expos GM Omar Minaya — who was appointed by MLB Commissioner Bud Selig — "has made a bold pre-emptive strike in acquiring a pitcher who figured to be one of the most highly sought players at the trade deadline" (GLOBE & MAIL, 6/28). Minaya said that the commissioner's office "played no role at all" in making the trade (ESPN, 6/27). Minaya, on the trade: "I hope it sends a message to our fans and players that we are trying to be competitive and trying to make the playoffs" (AP, 6/27). ESPN’s Rob Neyer: "If this is the Expos' last season they don't have anything to lose, and they should trade all of their prospects in pursuit of one last bit of desperate glory. But until somebody figures out how you can kill a franchise other than the Expos, I'm not at all sure this is their last season" (ESPN.com, 6/27). ABC Radio's Keith Olbermann: "Who's supposed to be contracted again? The Expos. The bolded was for Spanky since his comment indicated he had a hard time getting it… hopefully that helps. That trade was an outlier. It didn’t make Shapiro a genius, far from it, it demonstrated that Minaya was clearly desperate, and would have traded his own grandmother if it meant saving his franchise. Which is why I included the comments from Neyer and Olberman. Anybody with half a brain understood why it went down. If anything, I give credit to Shapiro in that he recognized he had a desperate man by his privates, and took him for all he was worth. Let’s all hope he finds an equally desperate man and sends him Bo Bichette for 5 top 100 prospects and his grandmother.