General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Eat My Shatkins]

I was pretty young back then, but didn't Cito sit Olerud in the 93 world series in NL games where their wasn't a DH and then play Joe Carter at 1B?

[Carlos Danger]

I was pretty young back then, but didn't Cito sit Olerud in the 93 world series in NL games where their wasn't a DH and then play Joe Carter at 1B?

 

Watch the video of the Blue Jays clinching in 92. Look who was at 1b in a NL park and started jumping up and down when he caught the ball from Timlin.

[Omar]

Watch the video of the Blue Jays clinching in 92. Look who was at 1b in a NL park and started jumping up and down when he caught the ball from Timlin.

 

Yeah he sat in game two of the 92 series as well. I recall that they wanted to get Winfield’s bat in the lineup so they put him in RF pushing Carter to the infield. I believe Olerud and his .366 average also sat a game in 93 to make room for Molitor.

[WryNGinger]

Yup numbers can change real quick. Could even make the case for Belt hitting cleanup right now. Could also swap George and Whit in the lineup, or even KK

 

I think that this is one of the last "old school" beliefs that need to change. The idea that guys "have their place in the lineup" and that it can't change or shouldn't change. In the field you are expected to react to various situations but at the plate the players are incapable of moving up and down the line-up? A batter can react to a completely different f***ing strike-zone each night but can't handle moving from 1 to 7th in the line-up? A pitcher can go from starter to mop-up to long relief but a batter can't change spots?

 

You make millions a year you bat where the manager says you bat.

[Stangstag]

I think that this is one of the last "old school" beliefs that need to change. The idea that guys "have their place in the lineup" and that it can't change or shouldn't change. In the field you are expected to react to various situations but at the plate the players are incapable of moving up and down the line-up? A batter can react to a completely different f***ing strike-zone each night but can't handle moving from 1 to 7th in the line-up? A pitcher can go from starter to mop-up to long relief but a batter can't change spots?

 

You make millions a year you bat where the manager says you bat.

 

It would be interesting to see more teams “ride the hot hand” so to speak, and stick all the hottest hitters at the top of the lineup. Constantly tinkering each week.

 

I think that kinda goes hand in hand with the whole mental side of the game though, would a struggling player continue to struggle harder if they were moved down in the lineup?

 

Idk the answers but it would be interesting to see changes to the whole mentality of lineup contruction

[Stangstag]

Just going off “hot or not”, the current lineup would probably look something like:

 

Keirmaier

Vlad

Varsho

Whit

Belt

Bo

Chapman

Springer

Kirk

[WryNGinger]

It would be interesting to see more teams “ride the hot hand” so to speak, and stick all the hottest hitters at the top of the lineup. Constantly tinkering each week.

 

I think that kinda goes hand in hand with the whole mental side of the game though, would a struggling player continue to struggle harder if they were moved down in the lineup?

 

Idk the answers but it would be interesting to see changes to the whole mentality of lineup construction

 

%100 percent agreed. The part that got my attention was when the commentators kept mentioning that Springer was "sick" or whatever it was. That is totally fine but how about they introduce him back into the lineup in the 7 spot instead of waiting and putting as number 1. It is fine that he was not feeling well, put him wherever a bench player would fit in until he is %100.

[Governator]

Just going off “hot or not”, the current lineup would probably look something like:

 

Keirmaier

Vlad

Varsho

Whit

Belt

Bo

Chapman

Springer

Kirk

 

 

I'd be down with Keirmaier leading off until Springer looks more... Springeresque

[Laika]

Gausman- 3.38 (2.29 FIP)

Bassitt- 3.49 (4.86)

Kikuchi- 3.89 (5.45 FIP, 4.07 xFIP)

Berrios- 4.70 (3.57)

Manoah- 4.83 (5.75)

 

I feel like if I had to rank them right now it would be

 

Gausman

(huge gap)

Berrios tied with Bassitt

(gap)

Kikuchi slightly ahead of Manoah

[Olerud363]

Yeah he sat in game two of the 92 series as well. I recall that they wanted to get WinfieldÂ’s bat in the lineup so they put him in RF pushing Carter to the infield. I believe Olerud and his .366 average also sat a game in 93 to make room for Molitor.

 

 

The issues with Olerud are well documented, but I think in addition to the AL East thing, there were just major issues with management being behind the curve after Gillick left.

 

They had Otis Nixon, Carlos Garcia, Joe Carter, Benito Santiago, Ed Sprague as key players on a team that was expected to contend in 1997.

 

Using like 1996 excel spread sheet, league averages and aging curve you could figure out these guys were not expected to provide any offense... but Jays did not realize that....

 

And in fact when they had predictable problems they got Ruben Sierra (lol).

[Orgfiller]

Jordan Romano's Statcast page. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jordan-romano-605447?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

 

 

That's it. That's the whole post.

[Stangstag]

Jordan Romano's Statcast page. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jordan-romano-605447?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

 

 

That's it. That's the whole post.

 

Yeah when he's ON he's elite, but he's had a couple outings this year where he was off and could't find the zone. And a couple walk-off homers

[Carlos Danger]

Yeah when he's ON he's elite, but he's had a couple outings this year where he was off and could't find the zone. And a couple walk-off homers

 

Exactly!! Great to jizz over statcast pages etc... I ain't busting a nut unless the results are happening on the field. Prior to this weekend, Romero was giving me blue balls and had me on Tinder looking for another finisher..

[Laika]

You guys are f***ing hopeless. You watch how much baseball and still haven't learned not to overreact to runs given up in a ~ten inning sample????

 

Do you wear velcro shoes?

[Terminator]

Alek Manoah Suxxx

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/alek-manoah-is-falling-apart-at-the-seams/

[John_Havok]

You guys are f***ing hopeless. You watch how much baseball and still haven't learned not to overreact to runs given up in a ~ten inning sample????

 

Do you wear velcro shoes?

 

Better, Sketchers with laces that don't require being done up everytime you take your shoes on and off. I'm even too lazy for velcro.

[Terminator]

Yeah when he's ON he's elite, but he's had a couple outings this year where he was off and could't find the zone. And a couple walk-off homers

 

Exactly!! Great to jizz over statcast pages etc... I ain't busting a nut unless the results are happening on the field. Prior to this weekend, Romero was giving me blue balls and had me on Tinder looking for another finisher..

 

Lol what more do you guys want out of him?

 

The numbers and results are there, he's got the peripherals to back them up, and his Statcast page has more red than the Congressional districts of the State of Texas.

 

But because you guys watched a couple of games where he gave up some runs he's not very good? His career ERA is 2.65 and his FIP this year is better than ever. In no way am I comparing him to Mariano Rivera but he's the GOAT and his career ERA is 2.11 for reference.

[Terminator]

The numbers and results are there, he's got the peripherals to back them up, and his Statcast page has more red than the Congressional districts of the State of Texas.

 

Reported myself for posting about politics.

[Terminator]

Jaw saw that the Yankees are are panicking and are going to resort to gimmicks tonight by using Jimmy Cordero as an opener. Brito will be the bulk pitcher to follow. Let's shell them both and pray Manoah buckles down against them like he did last time.

[wamco]

It would be interesting to see more teams “ride the hot hand” so to speak, and stick all the hottest hitters at the top of the lineup. Constantly tinkering each week.

 

I think that kinda goes hand in hand with the whole mental side of the game though, would a struggling player continue to struggle harder if they were moved down in the lineup?

 

Idk the answers but it would be interesting to see changes to the whole mentality of lineup contruction

 

Bo seemed to take off after moving down in lineup last year. I’m with wryNGinger

[G-Snarls]

Jaw saw that the Yankees are are panicking and are going to resort to gimmicks tonight by using Jimmy Cordero as an opener. Brito will be the bulk pitcher to follow. Let's shell them both and pray Manoah buckles down against them like he did last time.

 

Oh, and Franchy Cordero phoned in to say he forgot how to hit

[Governator]

Jaw saw that the Yankees are are panicking and are going to resort to gimmicks tonight by using Jimmy Cordero as an opener. Brito will be the bulk pitcher to follow. Let's shell them both and pray Manoah buckles down against them like he did last time.

 

 

I guess that tells Brito how much they believe in him against the top of our order

[Jonn]

Yankees belong in the basement. Anything short of winning 3/4 games in this series would be a massive disappointment.

[G-Snarls]

Yankees belong in the basement. Anything short of winning 3/4 games in this series would be a massive disappointment.

 

We couldn't be playing them at a better time

Edited May 15, 2023 by G-Snarls

[Orgfiller]

Yankees belong in the basement. Anything short of winning 3/4 games in this series would be a massive disappointment.

 

The Yankees just split a series with Tampa and nearly took 3/4 from them. There are no easy wins in this division, to say that splitting 2-2 with them would be a massive disappointment is unnecessary hyperbole. Those should be reserved for series like the Boston one. The team is also going through a brutal stretch in their schedule so I could understand the toll it takes to face good teams one after the other. I'll certainly settle for a series split and be very happy if they take care of business winning 3+ against them.

[John_Havok]

The Yankees just split a series with Tampa and nearly took 3/4 from them. There are no easy wins in this division, to say that splitting 2-2 with them would be a massive disappointment is unnecessary hyperbole. Those should be reserved for series like the Boston one. The team is also going through a brutal stretch in their schedule so I could understand the toll it takes to face good teams one after the other. I'll certainly settle for a series split and be very happy if they take care of business winning 3+ against them.

 

No doubt. Never underrate the Yankees. Especially when Manoah is on the mound in game 1.

[Daniel Labude]

 

Good thread here

 

I think part of the problem is also how Manoah is coming through with his arm. It was much more sharp and violent last year and smoother/slower this year. Clearly looking like Manoah is trying to throw softer/aiming more than letting it go. I think his quest to vary velocities on all his pitches and to be able to throw faster later in games has caused other problems. He needs to get back to letting it fly and coming after hitters

[G-Snarls]

Manoah's problem is now pretty clearly mechanical/delivery related

 

Much better than an injury, and better thhan if it were mental

 

Hopefully Walker can get him right before he costs the team too many more early deficits

[Solaxys]

[max silver]

Better, Sketchers with laces that don't require being done up everytime you take your shoes on and off. I'm even too lazy for velcro.

Speed laces is where it's at. I had enough of laces that refuse to stay done up even with a double knot.