General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Spanky99]

Because you are instituting a new culture and a whole new way of doing things. And you are coming from an org that had already at that time shown they were better at this than us.

 

An MLB coach, and what you've just described is very different.

[Dagagad]

An MLB coach, and what you've just described is very different.

 

No its not. Just because he’s the MLB coach doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be integrated into our entire system and way of doing things. Its just shows a complete lack of new ideas right from the jump.

[Spanky99]

No its not. Just because he’s the MLB coach doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be integrated into our entire system and way of doing things. Its just shows a complete lack of new ideas right from the jump.

 

In concern of guys moving up through the system, I agree. Pete's here for the MLB staff which it feels he's done well, imo. This falls back on one of my original posts. Nothing wrong with Pete.

[Dagagad]

In concern of guys moving up through the system, I agree. Pete's here for the MLB staff which it feels he's done well, imo. This falls back on one of my original posts. Nothing wrong with Pete.

 

There isn’t anything wrong with Pete, but it was a bad first sign in terms of us becoming a Guardian’s type pitching org. I thought it was weird at the time at least.

[Spanky99]

There isn’t anything wrong with Pete, but it was a bad first sign in terms of us becoming a Guardian’s type pitching org. I thought it was weird at the time at least.

 

It was an MLB move, were you expecting someone else? I mean, he's still here, he must be good in that logic.

 

PS. I always enjoy our back and forths... it's why we're all here.

[Dagagad]

It was an MLB move, were you expecting someone else? I mean, he's still here, he must be good in that logic.

 

I expected basically everyone to go and for us to make new hand picked hires with a good sprinkling of guys from their previous org.

[Spanky99]

I expected basically everyone to go and for us to make new hand picked hires with a good sprinkling of guys from their previous org.

 

But were they available, and was everything good with any search they made? You missed my edit on my last post. Haha

[Spanky99]

Heh...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-judge-has-choice-words-for-blue-jays-broadcasters-who-insinuated-he-was-cheating-222550047.html

[max silver]

I keep hearing about how good he is but i don’t know. We seem to have the normal amount of good and bad.

 

Its not really how about good he is either. Its just that we hired guys from one of THE best pitching orgs in the majors and they didn’t even bring their own coach. That was a bad sign regardless of Walker’s quality.

 

How does the bolded section make any sense? It's a sign that the organization trusted that Walker was a quality pitching coach and that they believed in his ability to help out the pitchers at the major league level. Does not replacing Walker mean that the new front office would have no idea how to develop pitching in the minor leagues for some reason? I really don't understand what you are getting at.

 

I always love how wait until the team loses a few games against a division rival then the incessant doom posts come out in full force. Fire the GM, fire the pitching coach, gut the entire organization's pitching related coaching staff, burn down the stadium etc. You would think we are members of a suffering fanbase like the A's the way you get to carrying on.

Edited May 17, 2023 by max silver

[John_Havok]

Mystery of Aaron Judge glance is solved.

 

https://theathletic.com/4526717/2023/05/17/yankees-aaron-judge-blue-jays-tipping-pitches/

 

Paywalled, so ill give you the condensed version.

 

"Before Jackson came to a set position, he brought his hands up near his ear as he gripped the ball. The grip, indicating which type of pitch he was about to throw, was visible to Yankees first base coach Travis Chapman, according to multiple Jays sources."

 

From Jackson “It was (less) my grip when I was coming behind my ear. It was the time it was taking me from my set position, from my glove coming from my head to my hip. On fastballs, I was kind of doing it quicker than on sliders. They were kind of picking up on it."

 

Blue Jays manager John Schneider said “he didn’t see anything” with his team’s catcher, Alejandro Kirk.

 

 

It's also the reason they were being so attentive to the yankees 1b and 3b coach positioning, thinking that had they been in their boxes, they wouldnt have been able to pick up on it as clearly.

[BigCecil]

Mystery of Aaron Judge glance is solved.

 

https://theathletic.com/4526717/2023/05/17/yankees-aaron-judge-blue-jays-tipping-pitches/

 

Paywalled, so ill give you the condensed version.

 

"Before Jackson came to a set position, he brought his hands up near his ear as he gripped the ball. The grip, indicating which type of pitch he was about to throw, was visible to Yankees first base coach Travis Chapman, according to multiple Jays sources."

 

From Jackson “It was (less) my grip when I was coming behind my ear. It was the time it was taking me from my set position, from my glove coming from my head to my hip. On fastballs, I was kind of doing it quicker than on sliders. They were kind of picking up on it."

 

Blue Jays manager John Schneider said “he didn’t see anything” with his team’s catcher, Alejandro Kirk.

 

 

It's also the reason they were being so attentive to the yankees 1b and 3b coach positioning, thinking that had they been in their boxes, they wouldnt have been able to pick up on it as clearly.

 

Behind the 8 ball to get a split at home. We need to focus on what we are doing. Coaches can keep an eye on this BS, but its a side show.

[Brownie19]

[puts on tinfoil hat]

 

"That doesn't explain Bauer looking sideways though! f***ing cheaters, shoot them all!"

[Carlos Danger]

[puts on tinfoil hat]

 

"That doesn't explain Bauer looking sideways though! f***ing cheaters, shoot them all!"

 

Bauers left handed, so looking at the 3b coach vice 1b coach..

[wilko]

Mystery of Aaron Judge glance is solved.

 

https://theathletic.com/4526717/2023/05/17/yankees-aaron-judge-blue-jays-tipping-pitches/

 

Paywalled, so ill give you the condensed version.

 

"Before Jackson came to a set position, he brought his hands up near his ear as he gripped the ball. The grip, indicating which type of pitch he was about to throw, was visible to Yankees first base coach Travis Chapman, according to multiple Jays sources."

 

From Jackson “It was (less) my grip when I was coming behind my ear. It was the time it was taking me from my set position, from my glove coming from my head to my hip. On fastballs, I was kind of doing it quicker than on sliders. They were kind of picking up on it."

 

Blue Jays manager John Schneider said “he didn’t see anything” with his team’s catcher, Alejandro Kirk.

 

 

It's also the reason they were being so attentive to the yankees 1b and 3b coach positioning, thinking that had they been in their boxes, they wouldnt have been able to pick up on it as clearly.

 

Dude's last kick at the can and gets screwed over for tipping pitches.

[Terminator]

Behind the 8 ball to get a split at home. We need to focus on what we are doing. Coaches can keep an eye on this BS, but its a side show.

 

Yeah the team needs to refocus badly. The Yankees are cheating all over the place but if you lose you come across as whiners and it's embarrassing. John Schneider looks like a dipshit when he's hurling insults while the team is losing.

 

There's still some growing up to do with this team. Judge is a bon a fide superstar and he's got the focus to push aside all the ******** and deliver. On the flip side, Vlad had a horrible AB last night in a big spot where he swung at 2 strikes outside the zone before eventually making an out on a 3-2 count. He was way too aggressive.

[John_Havok]

Yeah the team needs to refocus badly. The Yankees are cheating all over the place but if you lose you come across as whiners and it's embarrassing. John Schneider looks like a dipshit when he's hurling insults while the team is losing.

 

There's still some growing up to do with this team. Judge is a bon a fide superstar and he's got the focus to push aside all the ******** and deliver. On the flip side, Vlad had a horrible AB last night in a big spot where he swung at 2 strikes outside the zone before eventually making an out on a 3-2 count. He was way too aggressive.

 

It's one of Vlad's faults, he's so ready to make an impact he just gets into swing-happy mode and decides that he can do damage on anything, and ends up swinging at junk. Even that double the other day where he broke the bat and hit the ball twice... it was a terrible pitch to swing at up and in. He just got stupid lucky in the result.

[Terminator]

[Carlos Danger]

 

He will NOT be on the line up tonight though....

[Olerud363]

Yeah the team needs to refocus badly. The Yankees are cheating all over the place but if you lose you come across as whiners and it's embarrassing. John Schneider looks like a dipshit when he's hurling insults while the team is losing.

 

There's still some growing up to do with this team. Judge is a bon a fide superstar and he's got the focus to push aside all the ******** and deliver. On the flip side, Vlad had a horrible AB last night in a big spot where he swung at 2 strikes outside the zone before eventually making an out on a 3-2 count. He was way too aggressive.

 

Chicken or the egg? Only year Vlad was better than Judge was when his walk rate was higher (2021).

 

Vlad was hitting hot so they pitched around him? Or patient so was hitting well?

 

Everyone complains that Judge got a slider down the middle, but he gets that because he didn't swing at and get out on the good ones out of the zone

 

Being captain obvious here, but McGriff, Delgado, Bautista, Donaldson, they all had to take a lot of walks after they got established. Vlad needs to be taking 100 walks just like them.

[Terminator]

 

The Yankees are cheating their asses off, the team has dropped the first two in the series tonight, Vlad is out with an injury, and Gerrit Cole is on the hill. To top it all off the team has the shits.

[wilko]

 

The Yankees are cheating their asses off, the team has dropped the first two in the series tonight, Vlad is out with an injury, and Gerrit Cole is on the hill. To top it all off the team has the shits.

 

The Yankee's will either murder them tonight or the Jays will have some weird game where they give Cole his worst game of the year. No in-between.

[Terminator]

I think our best bet is to take Cole deep a couple of times. No Vlad so I'd put Belt at 1B and make sure Jansen is in there as well along with Kirk.

 

Sounds like whoever is capable of not s***ing their pants on the field is going to be playing though. Hopefully Vlad can pinch hit if we need him.

[John_Havok]

He will NOT be on the line up tonight though....

 

That's what day-to-day means.

[G-Snarls]

Sucks

 

As we all know Vladdy hits well of Cole (career 1.054 OPS)

[wilko]

Mitch White stinking it up in Buffalo with probably one more start left before they need to make a decision...

[G-Snarls]

Mitch White stinking it up in Buffalo with probably one more start left before they need to make a decision...

 

Oh boy

[Carlos Danger]

Can we start giving Bassitt some respect. Faced Strider and Cole and kept us in games and gave us a chance to win, by not only his pitching, but sparing us over use of the pen as much as he could.

 

16 innings pitched against the Braves and Yankees and 0 runs allowed.

Edited May 18, 2023 by Carlos Danger

[jaysblue]

Can we start giving Bassitt some respect. Faced Strider and Cole and kept us in games and gave us a chance to win by not only his pitching, but sparing us over use of the pen as much as he could.

 

16 innings pitched against the Braves and Yankees and 0 runs allowed.

 

Chris Bassitt - AL Pitcher of the Month for May! Said it last week!

[L54]

Can we start giving Bassitt some respect. Faced Strider and Cole and kept us in games and gave us a chance to win, by not only his pitching, but sparing us over use of the pen as much as he could.

 

16 innings pitched against the Braves and Yankees and 0 runs allowed.

 

He’s been great. Take out his first start and he has a 1.97 ERA

[Spanky99]

Can we start giving Bassitt some respect. Faced Strider and Cole and kept us in games and gave us a chance to win, by not only his pitching, but sparing us over use of the pen as much as he could.

 

16 innings pitched against the Braves and Yankees and 0 runs allowed.

 

Who isn't giving him respect?