Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[BTS]

I'm not sure what people were expecting for a 36-year old reliever with an xFIP of 3.75 who was picked up off the scrap heap a few months ago. Getting a couple of actual prospects out of this kind of signing is great, even if they aren't very exciting ones.

[TheHurl]

Ranked Colorado Rockies #18 prospect after the 2017 season

The Rockies drafted Wall 35th overall in 2014, making him the highest drafted prep second baseman since the draft was consolidated into one phase in 1987. Wall's play at second base proved inadequate, however, and he began a transition to center field at high Class A Lancaster in 2017. The effort was cut short when he separated his left shoulder diving for a ball in May and missed the rest of the season. Wall has struggled to live up to his draft pedigree as a gifted hitter. He has a solid feel for contact but little power and does not drive the ball. He has plus speed to make it work as a singles hitter with a lot of stolen bases, although the Rockies are optimistic he can grow into extra-base power as he gets stronger. Defensively, Wall was nearly unplayable at second base and labrum surgery on his right shoulder in high school sapped his arm strength. Wall has hope to make it as a contact and speed-type, but now has major surgery on both shoulders to deal with and needs to find a defensive home. He is expected to be healthy for the start of 2018.

[Mac Outlaw]

Ranked Colorado Rockies #18 prospect after the 2017 season

The Rockies drafted Wall 35th overall in 2014, making him the highest drafted prep second baseman since the draft was consolidated into one phase in 1987. Wall's play at second base proved inadequate, however, and he began a transition to center field at high Class A Lancaster in 2017. The effort was cut short when he separated his left shoulder diving for a ball in May and missed the rest of the season. Wall has struggled to live up to his draft pedigree as a gifted hitter. He has a solid feel for contact but little power and does not drive the ball. He has plus speed to make it work as a singles hitter with a lot of stolen bases, although the Rockies are optimistic he can grow into extra-base power as he gets stronger. Defensively, Wall was nearly unplayable at second base and labrum surgery on his right shoulder in high school sapped his arm strength. Wall has hope to make it as a contact and speed-type, but now has major surgery on both shoulders to deal with and needs to find a defensive home. He is expected to be healthy for the start of 2018.

 

Well none of that sounds good. Bottom line, we didn’t trade much so can’t expect much back. If there was a better deal they would have made it.

[BlueRocky]

We basically got three Espinals for Steve Pearce and Oh. Are people actually upset about this deal?

 

I kinda like Spanberger. We’re stacked at middle infield but the first basemen have been pretty trash aside from Noda. This guy is having a better season.

 

And Forrest Wall is a first round talent, albeit with injury concerns.

[Dr. Dinger]

Forrest Wall is a solid get for Oh, IMO. He can hit for a bit of average, walk a bit, has speed, can play CF and maybe 2B in a pinch. He could be a utility/platoon leadoff guy. Just gotta assume he won't have much MLB power and that lefties will eat him alive, but I think he's a good bet to be a major leaguer.

[Dr. Dinger]

All in all this is a very good return for a fungible reliever who is likely to disintegrate and turn into a zero value asset at any moment.

[Olerud363]

I’ve 180’d on this deal. On Olerud’s Projected Wins Above Replacement From Never Being Injured sliding scale, Spanberger is a sure thing!

 

No he's a 2% chance at Ryan Howard, maybe a 15% chance at slugging 1st basement who can a help a good team have a good year.

 

I mean Chris f***ing Colabello helped a good team have a good year.

 

I think people are overrating the entire prediction industry... both the scouting part and the analytics part. Look at the 2015 Blue Jays leader in rWar https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2015.shtml

 

Other than David Price none of those players were top prospects, it's a collection of guys who were on the scrap heap at one point. Josh Donaldson looked worse than Drury at 25. Jose Bautista and Edwin came from the scrap heap. Estrado was a 6th starter.

 

I mean is it crazy to think Spanberger could be Colabello without the steroids?? That he could be a piece on a good team someday?? Not that he will, or even likely will, but just that he could with some probability, and it's a reasonable partial return for a decent reliever.

[Pendleton]

Forrest Wall is a solid get for Oh, IMO. He can hit for a bit of average, walk a bit, has speed, can play CF and maybe 2B in a pinch. He could be a utility/platoon leadoff guy. Just gotta assume he won't have much MLB power and that lefties will eat him alive, but I think he's a good bet to be a major leaguer.

 

He seemed to find his stroke in High A this year and earned a promotion to AA, hopefully he starts hitting right out of the gate for NH.

[DigitalRock]

I'm not sure what people were expecting for a 36-year old reliever with an xFIP of 3.75 who was picked up off the scrap heap a few months ago. Getting a couple of actual prospects out of this kind of signing is great, even if they aren't very exciting ones.

 

People always have unrealistic expectations.

[Brownie19]

Where do you think Wall ranks on our prospect list?

 

Are you a legit new poster? or is this another reincarnation of one of our trolls?

[TheHurl]

How often do guys show the kind of power Spanberger has?? He's hit 41 homeruns in a seasons worth of games, and has a lifetime .590ish slugging percentage. That may mean nothing... who knows. However I'd be interested in seeing who his top 10 comparables are and what happened to them, before rushing to judgement.

 

His Asheville/Grand Junction teammates

 

Casey Golden 20th rounder 44 HRs

Ramon Marcelino 9 HRs in over 700 DSL PAs - 38 HR's

 

Not questioning whether he has power as he obviously does, but keep in mind it's a 1.6 ish HR park factor. It's like being in Fenway for RHH (literally the McCormack Monster is taller than the Green Monster at points I think), and Yankee Stadium for LHH with it being 297 ft. down the line. The SALLY in general has some extremes, lots of hitters parks and lots of pitching parks.

 

Spanberger's road line this year is .275/.316/.484

[Shart]

All in all this is a very good return for a fungible reliever who is likely to disintegrate and turn into a zero value asset at any moment.

 

Holy big word there...fungible! Impressive!!!

[TheRustler]

Are you a legit new poster? or is this another reincarnation of one of our trolls?

 

Legit. But I suppose it’s up to you to decide whether you feel I’m a troll or not.

[Olerud363]

Forrest Wall is a solid get for Oh, IMO. He can hit for a bit of average, walk a bit, has speed, can play CF and maybe 2B in a pinch. He could be a utility/platoon leadoff guy. Just gotta assume he won't have much MLB power and that lefties will eat him alive, but I think he's a good bet to be a major leaguer.

 

Just curious why you think his power won't develop?? He's already showing good line drive power. 25 double, 10 triples, 10 homers, per 150. It seems to me players often increase their power in the major leagues.

[Shart]

Hearing Drury for Happ is being discussed.

[Pulk_Pull]

Grab value while you can. Given Oh's previous season, he could turn into a pumpkin before the next deadline and ruin all value altogether. Other teams also know this. They were never going to put together a package we couldn't refuse. We just needed to sort out what pieces, out of the garbage piles that were probably offered, we had the most affinity for.

[Olerud363]

His Asheville/Grand Junction teammates

 

Casey Golden 20th rounder 44 HRs

Ramon Marcelino 9 HRs in over 700 DSL PAs - 38 HR's

 

Not questioning whether he has power as he obviously does, but keep in mind it's a 1.6 ish HR park factor. It's like being in Fenway for RHH (literally the McCormack Monster is taller than the Green Monster at points I think), and Yankee Stadium for LHH with it being 297 ft. down the line. The SALLY in general has some extremes, lots of hitters parks and lots of pitching parks.

 

Thanks. That puts it in perspective a bit. Looks like Ashville stats have to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Olerud363]

His Asheville/Grand Junction teammates

 

Casey Golden 20th rounder 44 HRs

Ramon Marcelino 9 HRs in over 700 DSL PAs - 38 HR's

 

Not questioning whether he has power as he obviously does, but keep in mind it's a 1.6 ish HR park factor. It's like being in Fenway for RHH (literally the McCormack Monster is taller than the Green Monster at points I think), and Yankee Stadium for LHH with it being 297 ft. down the line. The SALLY in general has some extremes, lots of hitters parks and lots of pitching parks.

 

Spanberger's road line this year is .275/.316/.484

 

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/toolshed-stats-class-a-park-factors/c-210987116

 

If I read this right the difference between Ashville and Lansing is pretty extreme, which makes what Ryan Noda, Kevin Smith, Lundquist, are doing seem a bit more impressive.

[Abomination]

Hearing Drury for Happ is being discussed.

 

Could your source be from one of the 20 or so posts about Happ for Drury in this thread over the last two days?

[jays4life19]

I have an inside source who tells me Oh is going to be traded to Colorado with Wall being the main piece coming back to the Jays

[Shart]

I have an inside source who tells me Oh is going to be traded to Colorado with Wall being the main piece coming back to the Jays

 

Interesting. That'd be a decent return.

[glory]

Maybe the Jays want to add Drury so they can flip Solarte somewhere else (saves them 2019 money if they intended on picking up Solarte's option). Still there would have to be prospects involved from the Yankees side.

[Orgfiller]

Drury is definitely not the headlining piece in a Happ deal you have to believe. If he's added as a secondary or tertiary piece along with one or two intriguing prospects then bring him on, I'm sure if they're interested it's because he hits the ball very hard like many of our targets.

[Shart]

Drury is definitely not the headlining piece in a Happ deal you have to believe. If he's added as a secondary or tertiary piece along with one or two intriguing prospects then bring him on, I'm sure if they're interested it's because he hits the ball very hard like many of our targets.

 

I think you are overestimating what Happ will return.

[glory]

Drury is definitely not the headlining piece in a Happ deal you have to believe. If he's added as a secondary or tertiary piece along with one or two intriguing prospects then bring him on, I'm sure if they're interested it's because he hits the ball very hard like many of our targets.

 

Or it could be Happ and Maile for Drury and 2 prospects, or something along those lines. Who knows. I agree though, Drury has to be a bit piece in the deal.

[Grant77]

With the Yankees looking for catching depth, this would be a great time to give Jansen some serious playing time with Martin mentoring him.

 

Happ and Maile for Drury, an advanced SP (Adams, Loaisiga, German) that we can plug into the rotation, and a lower level prospect would be a reasonable deal for both sides. The Yankees don't give up any of their elite guys for the best SP on the market and we get younger at 3 positions.

[Pendleton]

Roansy Contreras or Deivi Garcia + Drury + Giovanny Gallegos for Happ & Maile

[Grant77]

Roansy Contreras or Deivi Garcia + Drury + Giovanny Gallegos for Happ & Maile

 

That's not at all an acceptable return for Happ and Maile.

[BTS]

That's not at all an acceptable return for Happ and Maile.

 

Yes it is lol

[Orgfiller]

That's not at all an acceptable return for Happ and Maile.

 

Have you seen their numbers? Gallegos would project as like our second best reliever after Osuna and Contreras or Garcia would be an amazing headlining prospect as both have a ton of upside and are crushing the low minors.