Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[saskjayfan]

Did you not see where people were saying he pitched great today or are you just f***ing with me?

 

 

 

You didn't even read a f***ing blog post that directly contradicts what you say because it's inconceivable to you that you could be wrong, do you see the irony here?

 

How could that blog contradict my point? My point wasn't that Sanchez is a good pitcher. My point is it's impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, 2+ 2= 4, that Sanchez is a bad pitcher who will never improve. These are subjective matters. I said 3 starts ago they should send Sanchez down, and now he's had 2 solid starts and shown a lot of improvement.

 

I find it f***ing hilarious that people get upset when Sanchez pitches well and the Jays win because it doesn't support what they have said about the kid..lol.

 

I don't think Ryan Goins can hit. I was tickled pink to see him hit a home run and would love nothing more than to see his batting average and obp to climb and for me to be wrong. I'm a Jays fan. I just like seeing the Jays win. There's a few of us on this board, but not as many as you would think there should be...lol.

[GD]

How could that blog contradict my point? My point wasn't that Sanchez is a good pitcher. My point is it's impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, 2+ 2= 4, that Sanchez is a bad pitcher who will never improve. These are subjective matters. I said 3 starts ago they should send Sanchez down, and now he's had 2 solid starts and shown a lot of improvement.

 

I find it f***ing hilarious that people get upset when Sanchez pitches well and the Jays win because it doesn't support what they have said about the kid..lol.

 

Since we can't prove that beyond a doubt Tim Locastro won't hit .300 at the MLB level right now, why not bring him up?

 

So you didn't actually read any of my posts from today, gotcha.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I really had given up on Sanchez for the season, but two solid starts has me on the fence. It's embarrassing he's out best starter right now. Ouch. What a year.

[Daniel Labude]

On what grounds? Hutch is our best starter by far.

 

Lol

[Nox]

Grow up.

 

A pitcher that needs significant improvement is not how I would describe Sanchez. He needs to improve no doubt, but significant I would use for gascans like Jo Jo Reyes.

 

Aaron Sanchez is a horrible starting pitcher at the current moment. He is in fact a gas-can.

 

He might grow out of that (every Jays fan wants that), he might not. Right now, he's f***ing terrible.

[Orgfiller]

On what grounds? Hutch is our best starter by far.

 

ERA, results, wins, FIP

 

One of these things is not like the other

[Macsattack]

Aaron Sanchez is a horrible starting pitcher at the current moment. He is in fact a gas-can.

 

He might grow out of that (every Jays fan wants that), he might not. Right now, he's f***ing terrible.

 

I hope your trolling the only "Gas" is the heat Sanchez throws. Jo-jo had much different stuff than Sanchez brings to the table. Can you point out some additional f***ing terrible pitchers and let AA know as we could use a few more.

[Caper]

Aaron Sanchez is a horrible starting pitcher at the current moment. He is in fact a gas-can.

 

He might grow out of that (every Jays fan wants that), he might not. Right now, he's f***ing terrible.

 

 

 

What a f***in meatball post.

[Zaun of the Dead]

I am sick of this thread. Sanchez rules.

[Jimcanuck]

Aaron Sanchez is a horrible starting pitcher at the current moment. He is in fact a gas-can.

 

He might grow out of that (every Jays fan wants that), he might not. Right now, he's f***ing terrible.

 

Stupid post of the decade.

[Governator]

We have the best fans in the league.

[Boxcar]

Stupid post of the decade.

 

People like you are the main reason being a fan of this team is so embarrassing. Toronto fans, by in large, know absolutely f*** all about baseball. See: this thread, where several idiots laughingly dismiss posters much smarter than themselves.

 

By the way, check out that guy who would be a godsend right now in Mike Bolsinger. ERA over 5 last year lead the DBacks to unceremoniously dump him for cash. Dodgers understand ERA doesn't mean much as his peripherals pointed to a 3.5-3.75 ERA guy. Lo and behold, he's been very effective thus far. All of you would have been happy to see him cut because his ERA was bad.

 

But yeah, you guys just keep making the exact same mistakes you always make, np. Make sure you're extra arrogant whenever possible!

[Jimcanuck]

People like you are the main reason being a fan of this team is so embarrassing. Toronto fans, by in large, know absolutely f*** all about baseball. See: this thread, where several idiots laughingly dismiss posters much smarter than themselves.

 

Arrogance is when you are wrong and can't face it.

[Boxcar]

Arrogance is when you are wrong and can't face it.

 

Stupidity is when you're wrong and don't realize it.

[flafson]

Stupidity is when you're wrong and don't realize it.

 

Maybe i missed it but what did he say that was so wrong so he doesn't realize it?

What i sensed was that Sanchez ain't so bad and he's improving from start to start.

[Dick_Pole]

Man I wish we could vote Sanchez into the ASG or if there was at least another one of those stupid internet contests which Eric Sogard nearly won a couple of years ago...just to see the gong show that would arise if Sanchez actually won.

[Jimcanuck]

Stupidity is when you're wrong and don't realize it.

 

LMFAO I see you edited your arrogant post after I called you out on it.

 

Sanchez has been OK as a 5th starter. He hasn't hurt the team. His peripherals are not great and suggest eventual implosion, but he is getting results, most likely due to high GB% and mid-90's fastball with movement very difficult to square up on. Until (and if) he implodes he deserves to go out there every 5th day.

 

So tell me, oh wise one, what is wrong with my position.

[Boxcar]

Maybe i missed it but what did he say that was so wrong so he doesn't realize it?

What i sensed was that Sanchez ain't so bad and he's improving from start to start.

 

1. Sanchez has been "so bad" thus far.

 

2. Maybe he will improve but there's really no need to take a stance on it currently. Past data would indicate he'll probably improve slightly but not to the point where he is useful, at least this year.

[Boxcar]

LMFAO I see you edited your arrogant post after I called you out on it.

 

Sanchez has been OK as a 5th starter. He hasn't hurt the team. His peripherals are not great and suggest eventual implosion, but he is getting results, most likely due to high GB% and mid-90's fastball with movement very difficult to square up on. Until (and if) he implodes he deserves to go out there every 5th day.

 

So tell me, oh wise one, what is wrong with my position.

 

1. Sanchez has been one of the worst starters in baseball this year.

2. His peripherals are a better indicator of skill than ERA.

3. If his fastball has so much movement and is difficult to square up, why doesn't he miss more bats? Fact is, he walks a lot of guys and while you people say he's had a lot of soft contact it isn't really true. He ranks 42nd in soft hit% which doesn't even make him above average.

4. Stop being so results oriented. It's a team game and we are trying to measure Sanchez, not anyone else. Defense is part of run prevention and it has undoubtedly helped him out quite a bit.

 

What I really think is happening here is people clinging to Sanchez because "advanced stats fans" don't think he's been good.

[Jimcanuck]

1. Sanchez has been one of the worst starters in baseball this year.

2. His peripherals are a better indicator of skill than ERA.

3. If his fastball has so much movement and is difficult to square up, why doesn't he miss more bats? Fact is, he walks a lot of guys and while you people say he's had a lot of soft contact it isn't really true. He ranks 42nd in soft hit% which doesn't even make him above average.

4. Stop being so results oriented. It's a team game and we are trying to measure Sanchez, not anyone else. Defense is part of run prevention and it has undoubtedly helped him out quite a bit.

 

What I really think is happening here is people clinging to Sanchez because "advanced stats fans" don't think he's been good.

 

You didn't say what is wrong with my position. So i take it you see nothing wrong with it. Also i have never mentioned ERA in relation to Sanchez, and nor would I.

 

You should expect your 5th starter to be near the bottom of the pack among qualified SP.

 

Results do have to be considered. You can't demote a guy to the bullpen because of poor peripherals.

[Caper]

1. Sanchez has been "so bad" thus far.

 

2. Maybe he will improve but there's really no need to take a stance on it currently. Past data would indicate he'll probably improve slightly but not to the point where he is useful, at least this year.

 

 

 

The last 6 and 2/3 innings were pretty f***in useful. What the f*** are you taking about?

[Boxcar]

The last 6 and 2/3 innings were pretty f***in useful. What the f*** are you taking about?

 

Jesus Christ. It's like fighting fire with kerosene.

[Jimcanuck]

Jesus Christ. It's like fighting fire with kerosene.

 

Arrogant again. It's ok to be wrong sometimes.

[glory]

Sanchez is basically Kyle Drabek with better GB rates right now. Don't let the ERA mask the numbers. He could improve over time, but he still has a ways to go.

[flafson]

His last 2 starts, he had xFIP of 3.76 and 3.26.

The previous 3 starts he had xFIP of 5.04, 5.84 and 6.89.

So yea, he's improving and the stuff is there, not sure what the argument is.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

1. Sanchez has been one of the worst starters in baseball this year.

2. His peripherals are a better indicator of skill than ERA.

3. If his fastball has so much movement and is difficult to square up, why doesn't he miss more bats? Fact is, he walks a lot of guys and while you people say he's had a lot of soft contact it isn't really true. He ranks 42nd in soft hit% which doesn't even make him above average.

4. Stop being so results oriented. It's a team game and we are trying to measure Sanchez, not anyone else. Defense is part of run prevention and it has undoubtedly helped him out quite a bit.

 

What I really think is happening here is people clinging to Sanchez because "advanced stats fans" don't think he's been good.

 

Really .... I thought they give out trophies for the best results.

 

Sports are all about getting results, as a fan of a sports team do you want the team to win or for their players to be the top of their statistical field.

 

Its a sport where playoff teams are determined by wins and losses not era, fip, xfip.

 

Coming onto this thread quite late and as a newbie to this sport, it just seems to me that the 'advanced stats guys' want Sanchez results to be bad because the advanced stats say he is.

[Boxcar]

Really .... I thought they give out trophies for the best results.

 

Sports are all about getting results, as a fan of a sports team do you want the team to win or for their players to be the top of their statistical field.

 

Its a sport where playoff teams are determined by wins and losses not era, fip, xfip.

 

Coming onto this thread quite late and as a newbie to this sport, it just seems to me that the 'advanced stats guys' want Sanchez results to be bad because the advanced stats say he is.

 

If a guy walks the bases loaded every inning, then gives up three straight line drive outs, did he pitch well? He didn't give up any runs.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

If a guy walks the bases loaded every inning, then gives up three straight line drive outs, did he pitch well? He didn't give up any runs.

 

Of course he didn't pitch well but if it's the bottom of the ninth and his team were winning then his TEAM won which is the aim of the game.

[ElNik2013]

His last 2 starts, he had xFIP of 3.76 and 3.26.

The previous 3 starts he had xFIP of 5.04, 5.84 and 6.89.

So yea, he's improving and the stuff is there, not sure what the argument is.

 

 

It be a pissing contest. He has shown improvement. However, he was so bad that it's hard for some to get excited.

 

Basically, both camps are right, but some hate the F/O and others are homers so these biases get in the way.

 

 

I could be wrong though...as shocking as it may seem.

[Governator]

His last 2 starts were also against the worst offensive teams in the AL. Mariners had 3 or 4 guys batting under .200.