Aaron Sanchez Reality Check Thread

[Olerud363]

Prepare top get yelled at...

 

Saying that Sanchez looks like Halladay and Carpenter at age 22, 23 year olds is a fact. Similar minor league numbers too.

 

Juan Guzman walked 11 a game in the minors one year... 2 years later he was leading the Jays to the playoffs with an ERA under 3. He won an ERA title eventually. Was on track for 8 WAR but got appendicitis.

 

Pitchers are weird.

 

Maybe it is an all illusion because as Jays fans we saw Guzman and Hentgen and Carpenter and Haladay all contribute amazing seasons after mediocre minor league careers.

 

So 10 years from now every time a mediocre right handed slugger joins the Jays in his late 20s everyone will be excited and hopeful... because they saw Bautista and EE and impressionable age...

 

And they will be very skeptical of the 21 year old super-prospects because of Snider and Lawrie

[Boxcar]

Holy s***, I just realized Curt Schilling is not in the hall of fame after THREE ballots. How is this possible? He's a much better pitcher than Tom Glavine.

 

How is there not more outrage? He's a slam dunk easy HOF, not even close.

[Olerud363]

Aaron Sanchez kinda reminds me of Curt Schilling if Curt was much, much, much shittier.

 

Curt Schilling was mediocre until age 25. He had mediocre k-rates in the minors... he had a good season as a swingman at 23... was a mediocre reliever at 24. Then started improving. His k-rate went from 5.8 his first year starting to 10/11 in his best years.

 

Schilling had a so/w of 2 as a 24 year old so/so reliever... it got better... in his best year it was almost 10 as a 250 inning pitched starter

[Deadpool]

Holy s***, I just realized Curt Schilling is not in the hall of fame after THREE ballots. How is this possible? He's a much better pitcher than Tom Glavine.

 

How is there not more outrage? He's a slam dunk easy HOF, not even close.

 

Nobody likes him? Also, he probably thinks it's because he's a Republican and Republicans love their victimhood

 

First result on google for Curt Schilling Republicanl

[Captain Adama]

curt schilling was mediocre until age 25. He had mediocre k-rates in the minors... He had a good season as a swingman at 23... Was a mediocre reliever at 24. Then started improving. His k-rate went from 5.8 his first year starting to 10/11 in his best years.

 

Schilling had a so/w of 2 as a 24 year old so/so reliever... It got better... In his best year it was almost 10 as a 250 inning pitched starter

 

omg.

[Olerud363]

omg.

 

I'm not sure how to take this. What the hell is wrong with you people?? You've got a bunch of people saying.

 

Sanchez is like Halladay at 22, he is like Schilling at 22.

 

And you guys say

 

No he is not...

 

THAT IS WRONG. SANCHEZ ABSOLUTELY IS LIKE HALLADAY AND SCHILLING at 22.

 

If you want to flame people do it right... say "Sanchez is just like Halladay at 22, he isn't that different then Schilling at 22. However he is also a lot like 500 guys you never heard of. Chances are, going forward, he will be more like the 500 guys you never heard of... not like Schilling and Halladay"

[glory]

Baseless Halladay comps abound

 

I'm waiting for someone to say that I compared him to Halladay, therefore I think he will have a similar career.

 

In reality, Halladay was bad in 1999 but for steroid era standards was getting by with a good ERA. Sanchez has been similarly bad with the walk rate, but getting by. Not sure how long it will last, but at this point, let him walk 120 batters this season as long as he keeps fluking the team to victory and the Jays make the playoffs. Don't care how it happens at this point. The playoff drought is maddening.

[Olerud363]

He is not going to fluke the Jays to the pennant. If he walks 120 he'll have to have a better hr rate and k rate...

[Boxcar]

Nobody likes him? Also, he probably thinks it's because he's a Republican and Republicans love their victimhood

 

First result on google for Curt Schilling Republicanl

 

He apparently said it in jest.

 

Idk, I kind of like Schilling even if he is a total moron outside of baseball. He is definitely a hall of famer going by his performance in the game of baseball (and that's the only thing that should matter.)

[Dick_Pole]

With Sanchez's start on Wednesday, here's my guess on his line:

 

6 IP 0 ER 5BB 4K 3H 110 pitches, 58 strikes, 52 balls

 

Message board stats:

 

1 Sanchez non-believer has a heart attack

1 poster goes on a multi-post diatribe (I'm looking at Olerud363 as the favourite to provide this one)

1 pro-Sanchez poster has at least 20 posts gloating

Every Sanchez non-believer calls the guy gloating an idiot.

Over/Under for # of pages this thread will have 24 hours after Sanchez's start is 80.

 

Edit: Oh, and Sanchez improves to 4-2.

[havok24]

Sanchez will throw a no hitter on Wednesday with 10 competitive walks sprinkled in.

[Jimcanuck]

Sanchez will give up 7 hits and 3 walks in 5 1/3, 4 ER, 5K

 

OK for a 22 yr old 5th starter

[Olerud363]

With Sanchez's start on Wednesday, here's my guess on his line:

 

6 IP 0 ER 5BB 4K 3H 110 pitches, 58 strikes, 52 balls

 

Message board stats:

 

1 Sanchez non-believer has a heart attack

1 poster goes on a multi-post diatribe (I'm looking at Olerud363 as the favourite to provide this one)

1 pro-Sanchez poster has at least 20 posts gloating

Every Sanchez non-believer calls the guy gloating an idiot.

Over/Under for # of pages this thread will have 24 hours after Sanchez's start is 80.

 

Edit: Oh, and Sanchez improves to 4-2.

 

I am prone to this because I am in the middle -- both groups hate me

 

Me to the stats guys: I am curious Mr. Esteemed Stats guy, who are Sanchez' k-nearest-neighbors? or alternatively could you tell me where does he lie on your multivariate distribution??

 

clever stats guy: take your s***** overfit prediction home

 

stats guy follower: zing!!!!!

 

me: (confused) I didn't make a prediction...

 

Sanchez Lover: He hasn't cost us a win

 

me: they went 3-3 in his starts. maybe a different pitcher would of gone 4-2

 

Sanchez Lover: take your fractions home math boy!

 

me: confused again. 4 isn't a fraction...

 

Some people might not like the thread but how can you say it isn't interesting??

[Orgfiller]

Baseless Halladay comps abound

 

That's the rule of thumb. If a young starter sucks, it's okay because he can still turn into the best pitcher of a decade.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Think what makes me laugh about this the title of this thread!

 

If Shanchez needs a Reality check, what hell does this board need a Frontal lobotomy ? Lol

[glory]

He is not going to fluke the Jays to the pennant. If he walks 120 he'll have to have a better hr rate and k rate...

 

I think he's a reliever long-term, to be honest. All I'm saying is I don't really care how he develops this season if it means the Jays make the playoffs. That's all I can do now. Hope this sad sack group that AA put together (the pitching staff) can fluke their way into the playoffs. Reality is just too darn depressing.

[tercet]

Tonight Syndergaard will crush in his first start prob.

[Captain Adama]

Tonight Syndergaard will crush in his first start definitely.

 

Ftfy

[dineke]

I hope Sanchez is here forever even if he puts up a 5 era for his career.

[tercet]

So many hockey fans itt that think Sanchez is a good pitcher now =[

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Yes. Yes, it does. Because that's what you'd need to believe that Sanchez can manage as a starter. And then BBBB and the rest of the board would also understand each other.

 

Don't know who you are or where all that anger pointed at me came from! Wtf f*** you to numb nutz!

[KingKat]

Don't know who you are

 

Moogy

[Laika]

Aaron Sanchez is very, very bad at being a starting pitcher.

[Frenchsoup]

Aaron Sanchez is very, very bad at being a starting pitcher.

 

hopefully AA does the right thing and sends him to buffalo

[Deadpool]

Aaron Sanchez is very, very bad at being a starting pitcher.

 

Yeah, at this point... send him down until he's 25, see if he can figure something out...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Moogy

 

Nope but you might be just the ******* come lately... Fawk give it a break you dumb f***ing cat! Lol

 

Stop trying to be columbo!

 

Great, now you've gone and woke Spanky too!

[havok24]

hopefully AA does the right thing and sends him to buffalo

 

Hopefully AA does the right thing and trades him to another team.

[Frenchsoup]

Hopefully AA does the right thing and trades him to another team.

 

prob not the right time for that

[tercet]

Hopefully tommorow is Aaron's last outing with the Jays for a while.

 

He needs to learn to throw strikes for an extended period before he is with the Jays again, as well learn how to get swinging strikes.

[Zaun of the Dead]

controversial opinion:

 

the games that aaron sanchez starts are the only jays games worth watching so far.