[ALCS GM 5] Blue Jays (Gausman) vs Mariners (Miller): 10/17/25, 6:08pm

[neverbeenhere]

6 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

You're right, they're not done.  But they would be if JS threw people under the bus the way Siddall does.

It's almost impossible to expect jays to win both games In Toronto. Momentum is with Seattle and game 6 is a must must must game for bluejays, whereas Seattle can lose game 6 and still have another chance. 

[Nexii]

1 hour ago, saskjayfan said:

The problem is Little accumulated those stats early in the season.  He's been shaky in September and in the post season.  He just doesn't look confident on the mound.  Hoffman gave up 1 run in September and his stuff wasn't really that great.  He was mostly just executing  and commanding what he had.  In the post season his stuff has looked better.  Maybe it's the adrenaline, maybe just more time off has helped the arm.  He's just been pitching really good lately.  

Well not only that but OPS is deceptive. With 45 BB in 68.1 IP, his OBP against is well below average (0.323)

WAR still likes him but I have a hard time getting with it. They've figured out they can just wait for a heart pitch

[gruber9292]

15 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Joe Siddall should consider himself lucky if him and his big mouth still have a job come game time on Sunday.  He's a moron afaic and it wouldn't bother me one bit if he got kicked to the curb.

Lol.. The blue hair dye seeping through? 

[Stangstag]

Just now, neverbeenhere said:

It's almost impossible to expect jays to win both games In Toronto. 

Oh stop it with this. Nobody EXPECTS them to win both. But its very possible, not a longshot at all. Jays have been beasts at home all year, and games 1/2 of this series doesn’t change that.

[neverbeenhere]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Oh stop it with this. Nobody EXPECTS them to win both. But its very possible, not a longshot at all. Jays have been beasts at home all year, and games 1/2 of this series doesn’t change that.

I like your optimism bro

[hanton]

Our bullpen finally got exposed.

Springer is day-to-day, x-rays negative.  Too bad It's his back leg, hopefully he can go but if not move everyone up a spot - Lukes leads off

[Omar]

5 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

I like your optimism bro

It just takes one big inning to switch momentum. 

[neverbeenhere]

2 minutes ago, hanton said:

Our bullpen finally got exposed.

Springer is day-to-day, x-rays negative.  Too bad It's his back leg, hopefully he can go but if not move everyone up a spot - Lukes leads off

That's too bad, Springer has been the biggest contributor to bring this team this far into the season. 

[John_Havok]

Dunno why everyone is so upset, this literally the 2nd best scenario the Jays could have been on after going to Seattle down 2-0. 

Last nights game was just a bizarre game where crazy stuff that almost never happens, happened. 

[SeranthonySantander]

18 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

It's almost impossible to expect jays to win both games In Toronto. Momentum is with Seattle and game 6 is a must must must game for bluejays, whereas Seattle can lose game 6 and still have another chance. 

we have better odds to win the series than we did after 2.  I expect 2 wins.

[Nexii]

2 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Dunno why everyone is so upset, this literally the 2nd best scenario the Jays could have been on after going to Seattle down 2-0. 

Last nights game was just a bizarre game where crazy stuff that almost never happens, happened. 

Down 2-0 is about 19% to advance

Down 3-2 is about 25% to advance

Assuming 50/50 which Seattle and Jays pretty much are

[neverbeenhere]

5 minutes ago, hanton said:

Our bullpen finally got exposed.

Springer is day-to-day, x-rays negative.  Too bad It's his back leg, hopefully he can go but if not move everyone up a spot - Lukes leads off

Our bullpen is not the best, but not that bad either. It's only Little is worst in that pen, I bet the result would have been different, had Schneider brought in Fluharty or Lauer to face the seattle lefty. I am ok with losing the game with someone else on the mound, no argument to be made if that was the case. But knowing who Little is and throw away the season like this without using the best guy from the pen is most heart breaking

[Doubleplay21]

Schneider will double down and use Little again in the nineth inning with bases loaded. A FU to his critics 

[abola2121]

Just now, Doubleplay21 said:

Schneider will double down and use Little again in the nineth inning with bases loaded. A FU to his critics 

If that happens, the front office should fire JS and DFA Little at the same time.

[neverbeenhere]

Just now, Doubleplay21 said:

Schneider will double down and use Little again in the nineth inning with bases loaded. A FU to his critics 

he did sound that way in postgame interview. The guy is a stubborn a$s, 

[Doubleplay21]

2 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

he did sound that way in postgame interview. The guy is a stubborn a$s, 

Schneider feels he is smarter than those fans paying or watching

[Omar]

13 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Dunno why everyone is so upset, this literally the 2nd best scenario the Jays could have been on after going to Seattle down 2-0. 

Last nights game was just a bizarre game where crazy stuff that almost never happens, happened. 

The one thing that gives me hope is that it is the Mariners. It is kind of in their DNA to lose both games in Toronto.  

[Omar]

8 minutes ago, Doubleplay21 said:

Schneider will double down and use Little again in the nineth inning with bases loaded. A FU to his critics 

He saw this and said to himself bring it on!  

 

[neverbeenhere]

16 minutes ago, Omar said:

The one thing that gives me hope is that it is the Mariners. It is kind of in their DNA to lose both games in Toronto.  

what? Didn't they just win 2 in Toronto this week?

My impression is that bluejays are a better team than Mariners, and seattle pen is not that great as some people describe, with a better management Jays would've and should've won 3 in Seattle. 

[SeranthonySantander]

They said those numbers for little are prior to last nights game.

i counted 14 1/3 innings 6 ER going back 4 post season and 17 reg season.  

[Jonn]

51 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Joe Siddall should consider himself lucky if him and his big mouth still have a job come game time on Sunday.  He's a moron afaic and it wouldn't bother me one bit if he got kicked to the curb.

Are you suggesting Rogers should fire Siddal for being critical of a managerial decision? He's a Baseball analyst that's literally his job. Do you want glorified yes man to look blank into a camera and lie to a viewers face? Or do you want unique and interesting Baseball discussions when big things happen in games?

[Jays24]

What did I just read?  There are a bunch of people trying to defend the use of Little when 99% of the world thinks it was the dumbest you could make. 

Anyways, just listen to people like me who have been pushing for our starters to be used for as long as possible when theyre on their A game.  It cuts down on the need for guys like Little.  

Letting arms like Lauer just be completely wasted because this front office didnt know what to do is a disaster.  Starters pitch in high leverage situations all the time and yet our front office thinks they cant pitch in the playoffs for some reason...

[neverbeenhere]

10 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

They said those numbers for little are prior to last nights game.

i counted 15 innings 6 ER going back 4 post season and 17 reg season.  

It's like a weatherman reads the report saying the forecast is sunshine, but when he opens the curtain he finds rain is pouring.

Ya, Schneider only reads the book and does not look at the situation in the field.  

[SeranthonySantander]

2 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

It's like a weatherman reads the report saying the forecast is sunshine, but when he open the curtain he finds rain is pouring.

Ya, Schneider only reads the book and does not look at the situation in the field.  

I was just pointing out that I think sportnet may have foisted a run or two on little.  14 1/3 not 15

[glory]

1 hour ago, Omar said:

This was no ordinary game. It was the most important game of the season thus far. 

If JS sticks to his principles and thinks Little was the right option he shouldn't hesitate to use him in game 7 high leverage right?  He won't. You know it and I know it and more importantly John Schneider knows it. 

One thing JS is consistent with is using the players he likes even if it doesn't make sense. It's his way of showing faith in them. For example, there is no reason for IKF to start playoff games. I don't care if he hits a 79 mph double in a game that he starts, he's not a big league starter on a semi-serious team, much less one trying to get to the World Series. But that's JS's guy. He'll find a reason to use him. I have no doubt in my mind that if the Jays are up 1 in a Game 7 scenario that JS will go right back to Little. 

[Laika]

Win two at home and go to the World Series. 

Not a bad position.

Execute. Get lucky. Win 

[Eat My Shatkins]

I was also wondering how Bryce Miller is able to walk around like he does with that horseshoe firmly lodged in his anal region. I mean he's no schlub pitcher or anything, but holy f*** how many Jays hard hit balls went right at a defender in his last two starts?

 

Also, f*** you Brian Woo. If you're going to lose the handle on one of your pitches, can't it just hit Springer somewhere meaty?? Does it have to be right on his f***ing knee cap FFS?

[glory]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah, but people complain about Little all the time, pretty much every time he pitches and usually he’s OK. This time he sucked. I feel like Little gets way too much hate for the kind of numbers he’s put up on the season. Yes, the walks are bad but overall, he usually does a good job.

that being said, I don’t think this was the right time to use him.

 

Little
Apr-May: 4.4 BB/9, 26.1 IP
June-present: 6.9 BB/9, 42 IP

Yes, he's hard to make great contact on, but there's no high leverage RP on earth who can survive with that June-onwards walk rate. That's not the RP you use in a one run game against the other team's best hitters. Ironically, he's the one that should have been used in Game 4 when the Jays had a big lead, but was saved specifically for moments like last night. It's not about the options in the pen, it's about the guy who makes the decisions not knowing who his best relievers are. Or at least his inability to remove his own bias from the equation. 

[Big_Walleye]

22 minutes ago, Jonn said:

Are you suggesting Rogers should fire Siddal for being critical of a managerial decision? He's a Baseball analyst that's literally his job. Do you want glorified yes man to look blank into a camera and lie to a viewers face? Or do you want unique and interesting Baseball discussions when big things happen in games?

Criticism is fine.  It's what they do.  But I heard (didn't see/hear it for myself I turned the channel) he said some things that clearly crossed the line last night.  Still waiting to see video of it.

[neverbeenhere]

3 minutes ago, glory said:

Little
Apr-May: 4.4 BB/9, 26.1 IP
June-present: 6.9 BB/9, 42 IP 

 

I don't know these numbers for Little nor do I care. But I do I know his pitches are almost impossible to hit when in the zone, the problem is he does not hit the zone most of the time.