[ALCS GM 5] Blue Jays (Gausman) vs Mariners (Miller): 10/17/25, 6:08pm

[Brownie19]

12 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

For his MLB career, Little has a 16.9% HR per FB.

Bassitt has 10.9%

If a primary objective was to keep the ball in the yard, JS had better options

That is misleading.  Little's HR/FB rate this year was only 5.4%. He's a different pitcher this year (12 K/9 v 7 K/9 last year).  Doesn't matter.

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, metafour said:

You are too stupid to speak with seriously.

wHo wAs goInG tO cLose?

The 8th inning there was the most high leverage situation of the game. THAT IS WHERE YOU USE YOUR CLOSER.

You figure out the 9th inning when you get there.

What you DONT do is throw in a trash-can who hasn't thrown a strike in 3 straight months to face Seattle's best hitters. Little literally looked like he was going to cry before he even threw a single pitch. He also blew Game 1 in case you forgot. He is rattled and has been rattled all playoffs.

It's kind of weird because the board has been hating on Hoffman for months. Schneider rides him like he's Mariano Rivera anyway.

All the sudden Schneider stops using him like Rivera and it blows up in his face. Now the board is mad at him.

SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO YOUR GUNS JOHN

[Jimcanuck]

1 minute ago, Big_Walleye said:

He led the league in appearances and gave up 2 homers.

ONE OF THE WORST RELIEVERS IN BASEBALL FOR LAST 2+ MONTHS.

[Nexii]

53 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

No. We still had the series lead. Physical errors will happen, Aaron Judge hitting a home run that only a cyborg can hit. I can much easier live with those.

But this is a train that many of us have seen coming for months. It's a train that all of us saw coming down the tracks except the manager.

John Schneider. The man who tied us all to the tracks to make sure that we all got run over by the Brendon Little train.

It's the long-term inevitability of crushing death that we all saw coming.

Yea this was my worry at the outset. Trying to include everyone and being too damn nice instead of doing what is necessary to win.

I was hopeful after they sat Berrios and Scherzer, but seems like that was purely for injury/rest reasons.

Our starters are much better than the pen with their insane walk rates. Should be running the starters to 100 pitches and using Lauer/Bassitt. They were both way better than our pen on a per inning basis while having to throw more innings 

[Big_Walleye]

3 minutes ago, metafour said:

You are too stupid to speak with seriously.

wHo wAs goInG tO cLose?

The 8th inning there was the most high leverage situation of the game. THAT IS WHERE YOU USE YOUR CLOSER.

You figure out the 9th inning when you get there.

What you DONT do is throw in a trash-can who hasn't thrown a strike in 3 straight months to face Seattle's best hitters. Little literally looked like he was going to cry before he even threw a single pitch. He also blew Game 1 in case you forgot. He is rattled and has been rattled all playoffs.

The offense blew game 1 in case you weren't watching.  They got 2 hits.

[Nexii]

53 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

No. We still had the series lead. Physical errors will happen, Aaron Judge hitting a home run that only a cyborg can hit. I can much easier live with those.

But this is a train that many of us have seen coming for months. It's a train that all of us saw coming down the tracks except the manager.

John Schneider. The man who tied us all to the tracks to make sure that we all got run over by the Brendon Little train.

It's the long-term inevitability of crushing death that we all saw coming.

Yea this was my worry at the outset. Trying to include everyone and being too damn nice instead of doing what is necessary to win.

I was hopeful after they sat Berrios and Scherzer, but seems like that was purely for injury/rest reasons.

Our starters are much better than the pen with their insane walk rates. Should be running the starters to 100 pitches and using Lauer/Bassitt. They were both way better than our pen on a per inning basis while having to throw more innings 

[metafour]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I don't like the move to Little but I am curious as to who you think was the slam dunk choice there?

Jeff Hoffman has given up 2 runs in his last ~14 outings.

He tore through the top of Seattle's lineup just last night.

Here is a big-brained idea: don't use him in a 6 run blowout yesterday which was low leverage, and then you can correctly use him in the 8th inning tonight in a 1-run game.

[Big_Walleye]

1 minute ago, Jimcanuck said:

ONE OF THE WORST RELIEVERS IN BASEBALL FOR LAST 2+ MONTHS.

Who should have been used instead?

[Ball4Life]

Schneider is a bonehead (can’t believe he survived the 2023 Berrios debacle) but the bullpen sucks. Starting staff hasn’t been great either all year. Hard to believe they made it this far, really. But all in all, regardless of what happens Sunday and/or Monday, it’s been a successful season.

[Jimcanuck]

Just now, Big_Walleye said:

Who should have been used instead?

Pretty much anyone but "deer in headlights" Little.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Gausman said he'll be ready to pitch for Game 7 but we all know he'll use Little and other scrubs over him if we get there.  

Dude - it's extremely likely that Gausman would be awful pitching on 2 days rest.  I appreciate his mentality, but he's not that guy.

[glory]

If JS knew that Braydon Fisher is one of his best relievers (maybe the best given how Hoffman looked this season), then I think the call in the 8th inning would have been more of a slam dunk. Could Fisher have blown the 8th? Maybe, but that's the analytical move to make. LHB have a .232 wOBA against him. That's what the nerds would/should have been saying to go with.

But JS views him as a low leverage option unless he has no choice, unfortunately. So you're left with asking "who was the best option" when the only real options available (because of the manager) were Hoffman, Little, and Dominguez.

[Big_Walleye]

Just now, Jimcanuck said:

Pretty much anyone but "deer in headlights" Little.

You have no idea.  Exactly what I thought.

When they fire John Schneider (which won't happen) do me a favor and apply for the job.

[Jimcanuck]

Just now, Big_Walleye said:

You have no idea.  Exactly what I thought.

When they fire John Schneider (which won't happen) do me a favor and apply for the job.

1. Hoffman

2. Dominguez

3. Fisher

4. Lauer

5. Bassitt

 

 

X. Little

[Alejandro Murphy]

I blow off steam outside by washing my car.

 

It’s now squeaky clean 😊

lol

 

Good news Uncle George’s X-ray came back negative. 
 

If tonight’s game is the unluckiest game ever then so be it.   The baseball gods had spoken

 

tomorrow is another day.  We are down 2-3, we will win the next two (Sunday and Monday)

 

lesson learned for everyone and we are moving on

 

Go Jays Go !

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

ONE OF THE WORST RELIEVERS IN BASEBALL FOR LAST 2+ MONTHS.

This isn't really true. His July and August were pretty mid but he was good in September and been fine in the playoffs prior to this.

Sometimes it looks UGLY because of the walks and pitches that aren't competitive. But he Ks a lot of guys while being an extreme GB pitcher. If you walk a lot of guys you can make that work if you K a lot and are a GB unicorn.

Unfortunately, Cal tagged him with a 348 foot homer.

That said, I do wonder if someone like him might play down in the playoffs though. Not a ton of velocity and batters are locked in and may do a better job of laying off his junk.

 

[Big_Walleye]

5 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

1. Hoffman

2. Dominguez

3. Fisher

4. Lauer

5. Bassitt

 

 

X. Little

Hoffman is the closer.  He had the 9th. 

Dominguez gave up the hit batter and grand slam that cost them the game.

Fisher is a rookie with a backup breaking ball that's been doing things with smoke and mirrors and looked shaky lately.

Bassitt and Lauer are long men neither of which has ever seen a high leverage late game bullpen outing.

Any more bright ideas?

[Jonn]

5 minutes ago, glory said:

If JS knew that Braydon Fisher is one of his best relievers (maybe the best given how Hoffman looked this season), then I think the call in the 8th inning would have been more of a slam dunk. Could Fisher have blown the 8th? Maybe, but that's the analytical move to make. LHB have a .232 wOBA against him. That's what the nerds would/should have been saying to go with.

But JS views him as a low leverage option unless he has no choice, unfortunately. So you're left with asking "who was the best option" when the only real options available (because of the manager) were Hoffman, Little, and Dominguez.

Fisher has also been used in low leverage this playoffs for the most part. He has given up a lot of contact. But for what its worth has never allowed an earned run the road before. Pretty neat stat!

[Nexii]

Just now, Terminator said:

This isn't really true. His July and August were pretty mid but he was good in September and been fine in the playoffs prior to this.

Sometimes it looks UGLY because of the walks and pitches that aren't competitive. But he Ks a lot of guys while being an extreme GB pitcher. If you walk a lot of guys you can make that work if you K a lot and are a GB unicorn.

Unfortunately, Cal tagged him with a 348 foot homer.

That said, I do wonder if someone like him might play down in the playoffs though. Not a ton of velocity and batters are locked in and may do a better job of laying off his junk.

 

Problem is all that junk is waste. Not stuff anyone will swing at. Needs to be more in the chase zone

[Terminator]

6 minutes ago, glory said:

If JS knew that Braydon Fisher is one of his best relievers (maybe the best given how Hoffman looked this season), then I think the call in the 8th inning would have been more of a slam dunk. Could Fisher have blown the 8th? Maybe, but that's the analytical move to make. LHB have a .232 wOBA against him. That's what the nerds would/should have been saying to go with.

But JS views him as a low leverage option unless he has no choice, unfortunately. So you're left with asking "who was the best option" when the only real options available (because of the manager) were Hoffman, Little, and Dominguez.

Yeah they should have been moving him up the food chain all year to get him some high leverage experience.

Instead, they actually optioned him in late August.

[Pinkfloid]

It sucks they lost on a questionable bullpen decision,  but they did what they had to do to get the series back to Toronto.  After being down 0-2 I think most of us would have been very happy if we were told the Jays would force a game 6. If the Jays can't win 2/4 home games then they don't deserve to win the series anyways, bullpen be damned. This all said, 2 of Seattle's wins might've turned out totally differently if a couple different decisions were made. I really hope Schneider is able to learn from this before it's too late.  

Also, the Dogers are a f***ing buzzsaw right now; it's hard to think either AL team has much of a chance against them.  Would still love the Jays to try cause this is baseball and anything can happen. Don't lose faith in this team until the final out.  This has been a year of resiliency and will be a success no matter how it ends. 

See you all for game 6 (and 7!!)

[metafour]

1 minute ago, Big_Walleye said:

Hoffman is the closer.  He had the 9th. 

Dominguez gave up the hit batter and grand slam that cost them the game.

Fisher is a rookie with a backup breaking ball that's been doing things with smoke and mirrors and.looked shaky lately.

Bassitt and Lauer are long men neither of which has ever seen a high leverage late game bullpen outing.

Any more bright ideas?

This guy is either brain-dead, or trolling.

Apparently you are not allowed to use your "closer" in any inning but the 9th.

Apparently you can't use Lauer or Bassitt because they are "long men", so I assume their arms would fall off if they only pitched one inning?

Apparently Bassitt has never seen a high-leverage situation. Its not like he hasn't been a successful starter for like ~7 seasons now, and therefore has obviously pithed tons of high-pressure innings. I'm fairly certain that he has pitched into the 8th inning before, by the way.

[Spanky__99]

Dude's Pist!

[Jimcanuck]

1 minute ago, Big_Walleye said:

Hoffman is the closer.  He had the 9th. 

Dominguez gave up the hit batter and grand slam that cost them the game.

Fisher is a rookie with a backup breaking ball that's been doing things with smoke and mirrors and.looked shaky lately.

Bassitt and Lauer are long men neither of which has ever seen a high leverage late game bullpen outing.

Any more bright ideas?

Yeah, I should stop responding to you the imbecile.

Dominguez was called in with 2 on and no outs in a tie game.  His job in that scenario is to get K's.  He has no choice but to challenge the hitters.  Bring him in to start the inning, he's trying to paint the corners and get chases, instead.

Hoffman doesn't have the 9th, what happened last night?

 

 

 

 

[Nexii]

Dodgers just swept the Brewers, the AL doesn't have a prayer 🙏 

[Big_Walleye]

5 minutes ago, metafour said:

This guy is either brain-dead, or trolling.

Apparently you are not allowed to use your "closer" in any inning but the 9th.

Apparently you can't use Lauer or Bassitt because they are "long men", so I assume their arms would fall off if they only pitched one inning?

Apparently Bassitt has never seen a high-leverage situation. Its not like he hasn't been a successful starter for like ~7 seasons now, and therefore has obviously pithed tons of high-pressure innings. I'm fairly certain that he has pitched into the 8th inning before, by the way.

It's the armchair managers that think they know everything that are brain dead.  It's like you've never watched a baseball game before.

[Ball4Life]

Can’t imagine Siddall’s bosses are too happy with his opinions tonight. 

Schneider is just a white Montoyo. Dreadful, just dreadful.

Maybe would have lost anyway because it’s baseball and Atkins has done many good things but building a sustainable pitching staff isn’t one of them.

Still a successful season and fun team to watch. Have a good one.

[Terminator]

Feels like Dan Wilson has been downright horrible but has been bailed out by a couple of 350 foot homers leaving the park. 

Using Brash in the 5th inning against the 8-9 hitters was nuts.

[glory]

8 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah they should have been moving him up the food chain all year to get him some high leverage experience.

Instead, they actually optioned him in late August.

Yeah they don’t seem him as a high leverage option, which is sad. It’s not like the pen is stacked. Fisher has performed well all season and was unfairly demoted. Since they think Louis Varland is a right handed Andrew Miller and they obviously think the 8th inning is a no-no for Fisher, then they could have tried Fisher in the 6th-7th to face the bottom of the order, and then gone with Varland in the 8th to face the top of the order. Not sure I would have trusted Varland in that spot either but more than Little? Without question. 

[Big_Walleye]

5 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

Yeah, I should stop responding to you the imbecile.

Dominguez was called in with 2 on and no outs in a tie game.  His job in that scenario is to get K's.  He has no choice but to challenge the hitters.  Bring him in to start the inning, he's trying to paint the corners and get chases, instead.

Hoffman doesn't have the 9th, what happened last night?

 

 

 

 

Imbecile?  Lol.  

Keyboard warrior!!