General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Spanky99]

7 hours ago, Terminator said:

Take a peek at the GDTs.

We could win 100 games and the World Series and the village idiots will find something to complain about. 

Term on fire today, let this man cook.

[Spanky99]

4 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

We need Steve Pearce on the team like yesterday.  I'd love to see AA get aggressive and got get us a legit RH bat - even if he's a platoon guy.  We really need a RH bat that murders LHP.  Straw has been great, but we can't expect that type of offensive production moving forward. 

AA on your mind, Brownie?

[Jays24]

6 hours ago, Orgfiller said:

This seemed inevitable. Little defensive utility, not fast, and it seemed like the same issues at the plate persisted. If he can't catch up to the fastball and he can't hit lefties there's no room for him on the roster.

Can we not get Schneider to wear the George Constanza shoes to make the high fastball more into his zone? Lol

[Brownie19]

4 hours ago, Delete_My_Account_Thanks said:

He's always been a closet AA fan

 

5 hours ago, Grant77 said:

What year do you think this is? 🤣🤣

 

1 hour ago, Spanky99 said:

AA on your mind, Brownie?

LOL. Whooooops!  That's hilarious.

[max silver]

21 hours ago, Jays24 said:

2023 was an example of this team winning but it being a bad product to watch entertainment wise. A winning product should always be top priority but that also needs to be balanced with forecasting how would your playoff lineup compete with the other teams best in the playoffs. 

Sticking with 2023, we all knew that team would struggle to score any runs and that's exactly what happened and why we lost.  

I can't say I particularly agree with this statement. The 2023 team would have scored plenty of runs if it were not for 8 of the position players simultaneously taking steps back at the plate and overall value. Basically every holdover player on the roster had a worse overall season in 2023 compared to the 2022 season. On top of that the bad overall offensive result was primarily due to the team inexplicably being unable to score at the Rogers Center as they were a top 10 offensive club away from home.

In 2022 the combination of Bo, Kirk, Springer, Chapman, Guerrero, Jansen, Espinal and Biggio combined for 26.8 FWAR. Fast forward a season later and the same combination of players provided a total of only 15. 1 FWAR. Some of this was due to injury, a bit of it was due to lower defensive contributions, but the bulk of the lost FWAR was due to bad worse offensive seasons across the board.

[Jays24]

51 minutes ago, max silver said:

I can't say I particularly agree with this statement. The 2023 team would have scored plenty of runs if it were not for 8 of the position players simultaneously taking steps back at the plate and overall value. Basically every holdover player on the roster had a worse overall season in 2023 compared to the 2022 season. On top of that the bad overall offensive result was primarily due to the team inexplicably being unable to score at the Rogers Center as they were a top 10 offensive club away from home.

In 2022 the combination of Bo, Kirk, Springer, Chapman, Guerrero, Jansen, Espinal and Biggio combined for 26.8 FWAR. Fast forward a season later and the same combination of players provided a total of only 15. 1 FWAR. Some of this was due to injury, a bit of it was due to lower defensive contributions, but the bulk of the lost FWAR was due to bad worse offensive seasons across the board.

Most of my post was about Term mentioning "people would still complain if this team won 90 games."

In 2023, a vast majority found the team to be a horrible entertaining product even though we won 87 games or so.  The playoffs ended in the same manner many expected, which just capped off the frustrating season as it was obvious we were trending in the wrong direction. 

I wasn't really trying to disect the why but just stating what many considered to be an objective view.  

[max silver]

14 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Most of my post was about Term mentioning "people would still complain if this team won 90 games."

In 2023, a vast majority found the team to be a horrible entertaining product even though we won 87 games or so.  The playoffs ended in the same manner many expected, which just capped off the frustrating season as it was obvious we were trending in the wrong direction. 

I wasn't really trying to disect the why but just stating what many considered to be an objective view.  

I found the 2023 team to be a bit frustrating to watch at times due to the inability to plate runs but I still think that was an enjoyable season as that was a very solid pitching and defense team that was less than the sum of it's parts offensively. I can't get on board with describing an 89 win team as somehow being "horrible" as an entertainment product as I've following the Blue Jays religiously since the late 80's and have watched a lot of awful teams over the years that actually qualified for this kind of description.

[Jays24]

26 minutes ago, max silver said:

I found the 2023 team to be a bit frustrating to watch at times due to the inability to plate runs but I still think that was an enjoyable season as that was a very solid pitching and defense team that was less than the sum of it's parts offensively. I can't get on board with describing an 89 win team as somehow being "horrible" as an entertainment product as I've following the Blue Jays religiously since the late 80's and have watched a lot of awful teams over the years that actually qualified for this kind of description.

Ya that's view won't be for 100% of the fanbase.  I said many times in 2023 that it was "the least entertaining winning team I've ever seen in my lifetime."

It's a compliment because winning isnt easy (as we all know) and that will always matter more than losing but boy was it a hard watch lol. 

[John_Havok]

44 minutes ago, max silver said:

I found the 2023 team to be a bit frustrating to watch at times due to the inability to plate runs but I still think that was an enjoyable season as that was a very solid pitching and defense team that was less than the sum of it's parts offensively. I can't get on board with describing an 89 win team as somehow being "horrible" as an entertainment product as I've following the Blue Jays religiously since the late 80's and have watched a lot of awful teams over the years that actually qualified for this kind of description.

I get what you're saying here. 

Most fans just want to see the team win. Winning is fun. Ya know, it's like...better than losing? 

But at the same time, if I had to watch 162 games of 3-2, 2-1, 3-0 ball games where it took 3+ singles mixed in with a walk and a bunt to score 1 run, because people keep getting erased on the bases due to idiocy, I'd stop watching. To me. That's not entertaining. 

Now. I'm not saying that every game needs to be 10-8 either, just that chicks dig the long ball, not the oppo slap single and sac bunt. 

Somehwere in between is nice

[max silver]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

I get what you're saying here. 

Most fans just want to see the team win. Winning is fun. Ya know, it's like...better than losing? 

But at the same time, if I had to watch 162 games of 3-2, 2-1, 3-0 ball games where it took 3+ singles mixed in with a walk and a bunt to score 1 run, because people keep getting erased on the bases due to idiocy, I'd stop watching. To me. That's not entertaining. 

Now. I'm not saying that every game needs to be 10-8 either, just that chicks dig the long ball, not the oppo slap single and sac bunt. 

Somehwere in between is nice

I have infinitely more patience for a team that struggles to score vs one with a leaky bullpen. Nothing ruins my enjoyment for the sport of baseball more than witnessing my team losing a bunch of winnable games due to a bullpen that's incapable of holding leads.

[Terminator]

14 minutes ago, max silver said:

I have infinitely more patience for a team that struggles to score vs one with a leaky bullpen. Nothing ruins my enjoyment for the sport of baseball more than witnessing my team losing a bunch of winnable games due to a bullpen that's incapable of holding leads.

Losing due to not scoring runs is frustrating.

Blowing a game because of the bullpen is infuriating. 

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Losing due to not scoring runs is frustrating.

Blowing a game because of the bullpen is infuriating. 

Bingo we have a winner. Last season we had the good fortune of watching both of these issues during the losing streak that sunk the season.

[Terminator]

 

[RobinThicc]

Looks like Jays signed damaged goods in Max Scherzer 

[Spanky99]

6 hours ago, Terminator said:

 

Ryan Burr is set to throw a BP tomorrow as well, relatively good news aside from Mad Max's flippin' thumb..

[Spanky99]

20 games in and the Jays are T-2 in the AL, T-6 in the MLB...

 

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

20 games in and the Jays are T-2 in the AL, T-6 in the MLB...

 

That NL West is going to be a battle this year.  4 legit teams. Similar to AL East...

[Masterbather]

4 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

That NL West is going to be a battle this year.  4 legit teams. Similar to AL East...

Who's the fifth non-legit team? Toronto?

[RobinThicc]

Tampa 

[Spanky99]

6 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Who's the fifth non-legit team? Toronto?

[jaysblue]

Jays are 6 to 1 now to win the division.

Rays are 11 to 1.

NL West: Dodgers still heavy favourites, but getting great odds on the Padres at 7.5 to 1, D'Backs 17 to 1 and Giants at 21 to 1. 

[Masterbather]

2 hours ago, RobinThicc said:

Tampa 

How could you count out Tampa at this point? That makes no sense.

[glory]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/springers-a-swing-driving-offensive-bounce-back-for-blue-jays/

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“It just seemed like he kind of lost that aggression that he's had his whole career, that I've always admired from him,” Popkins recalled. “You’d see him kind of sacrifice bat speed just to put balls in play and really reaching for balls and weak contact early. Almost like he’s scared to get to two strikes. Versus the best version of him I feel like is not afraid to take a couple borderline pitches and then if you make one mistake he’s going to hit it really hard.”

The above was about Springer. So it was reported a few weeks ago that Barger was told by the org to do things offensively last year that he wasn't comfortable with, then Davis Schneider said he was focusing on hitting singles last season instead of trying to do damage, and now this with Springer.

Don Mattingly, hitting coach from hell, should be studied. 

 

[Spanky99]

2 hours ago, Masterbather said:

How could you count out Tampa at this point? That makes no sense.

You suggest Toronto, how does that make sense?

[Masterbather]

56 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

You suggest Toronto, how does that make sense?

I didn't suggest I asked.

[BB17]

10 hours ago, glory said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/springers-a-swing-driving-offensive-bounce-back-for-blue-jays/

The above was about Springer. So it was reported a few weeks ago that Barger was told by the org to do things offensively last year that he wasn't comfortable with, then Davis Schneider said he was focusing on hitting singles last season instead of trying to do damage, and now this with Springer.

Don Mattingly, hitting coach from hell, should be studied. 

 

Not even sure why he’s still with the team. Even if he’s not in the same position just having him around the team is a stupid reminder of how bad their approach was when he was in charge. 
 

I don’t care how good of a player he was but so far he doesn't inspire any confidence that he’s a good coach/manager. He was terrible before he got to Toronto too.

[Brownie19]

On 4/17/2025 at 4:25 PM, Brownie19 said:

We need Steve Pearce on the team like yesterday.  I'd love to see Atkins get aggressive and got get us a legit RH bat - even if he's a platoon guy.  We really need a RH bat that murders LHP.  Straw has been great, but we can't expect that type of offensive production moving forward. 

Hays was the player we needed.  We needed Austin Hays as a 4th OFer and we need another bullpen arm.  Call David Robertson FFS

[John_Havok]

57 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Hays was the player we needed.  We needed Austin Hays as a 4th OFer and we need another bullpen arm.  Call David Robertson FFS

His rumoured asking price was/is 10 million. Think that's worth the gamble? 

I'm not sure tbh. 

[Brownie19]

5 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

His rumoured asking price was/is 10 million. Think that's worth the gamble? 

I'm not sure tbh. 

Perhaps not.  Hays was a perfect fit if you had concerns whether Schneider could be the LHP masher.  Maybe not Robertson, but 1 more bullpen arm would have helped.  Of course it's easy to say with hindsight.

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Perhaps not.  Hays was a perfect fit if you had concerns whether Schneider could be the LHP masher.  Maybe not Robertson, but 1 more bullpen arm would have helped.  Of course it's easy to say with hindsight.

I'm sure there were a ton of people who didn't really care about Little or Sandlin too. Hell, Atkins has literally rebuilt the pen in one offseason from lowest whiff rate to highest. It's hard to be completely upset that the shittiest guy blew a game because the top two guys weren't available, and everyone else did their job well prior to him.coming in, but the offense couldn't push one run across in the 35 chances they had to do it. 

That said, I really don't want to see Barnes again. Like...ever