General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Brownie19]

I would agree it might soon be time to try some different Buffalo boys.  We knew we were hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and unfortunately, Roden and Wagner aren't seizing their opportunity.

It is still early, but it's not a very encouraging start for the Jays.  I hope Bo keeps hitting so we can trade him for a haul at the deadline.

[Terminator]

5 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I actually think Clase's power potential isn't all that bad, it's whether he'll really get to it in games. In 2023 as a 21 year old he hit 20 HR with a .208 ISO, and in 2024 with Seattle's AAA affiliate he had 10 HR in 280 PAs with a .176 ISO before the trade. Fangraphs gave him a 50 raw power tool last season. He just hasn't gotten to that power in our org which unfortunately entirely adds up lol. He's quite the sleeper prospect, still hasn't even turned 23.

Yeah that's true. I made him sound like he's a 20 grade power but he got 50 raw and 45 game power grades.

 

 

[glory]

33 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

I actually think Clase's power potential isn't all that bad, it's whether he'll really get to it in games. In 2023 as a 21 year old he hit 20 HR with a .208 ISO, and in 2024 with Seattle's AAA affiliate he had 10 HR in 280 PAs with a .176 ISO before the trade. Fangraphs gave him a 50 raw power tool last season. He just hasn't gotten to that power in our org which unfortunately entirely adds up lol. He's quite the sleeper prospect, still hasn't even turned 23.

Yeah I think Clase is an interesting prospect. Not sure there's a high probability of him panning out, but there's power + speed + CF in his profile, and he's still young. That's far more intriguing as a lotto ticket than the 25-26 year old platoon bats in the system. Unfortunately as you said he's someone with maybe some untapped power potential coming into an organization that probably prefers the slap hitting profile he's shown in AAA this season, so not sure if it's the best fit for him to reach his offensive ceiling. 

[John_Havok]

16 minutes ago, glory said:

Yeah I think Clase is an interesting prospect. Not sure there's a high probability of him panning out, but there's power + speed + CF in his profile, and he's still young. That's far more intriguing as a lotto ticket than the 25-26 year old platoon bats in the system. Unfortunately as you said he's someone with maybe some untapped power potential coming into an organization that probably prefers the slap hitting profile he's shown in AAA this season, so not sure if it's the best fit for him to reach his offensive ceiling. 

It really makes ya think what the FO is doing with prospect development. It's obvious they are prioritizing elite contact over power cfor the most part, and trying to get power to the guys with the elite contact rather than trying to teach contact to the elite power guys. Nimmala probably being the recent exception... like, who else have they drafted in the past ... 10 seasons near the top of the draft that had the power tool as their calling card? Orelvis as the international signee comes to mind... but that's about it. 

[Terminator]

You know who might be good is Josh Walker.

5 IP, 3 hits, 8 Ks, 0 walks in Buffalo so far.

Dillon Tate is also throwing well. 

[Laika]

4 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

It really makes ya think what the FO is doing with prospect development. It's obvious they are prioritizing elite contact over power cfor the most part, and trying to get power to the guys with the elite contact rather than trying to teach contact to the elite power guys. Nimmala probably being the recent exception... like, who else have they drafted in the past ... 10 seasons near the top of the draft that had the power tool as their calling card? Orelvis as the international signee comes to mind... but that's about it. 

I think it's pretty mixed. Orelvis, Barger, Nimmala are all power over hit. They traded for Chuckie McAdoo who is power over hit. Sean Keys isn't really a hit tool guy. Jace Bohrohfen is a k per game guy. The Iowa Meat Truck is in the system. 

I dunno. The 2022 draft class was very hit tool / slappy with Kasevich, Toman, Doughty, Roden, all taken in a row. That draft class informs a lot of the perceptions about the current system, I think. 

2021 they took no hitters up top at all. 

Covid year just Austin Martin who was a slap master. 

So 2020-2022 was a three year drought on power hitters in the draft, for sure. 

[Terminator]

I know some of you really hate it when I talk about schedules but the toughest part of it is by far the first month. Nats are the only non-contender we are facing this month.

May seems better and then on May 29th through the All-Star break it really opens up for us.

• 7 games vs the A's
• 6 vs the ChiSox
• 3 games vs. the Angels in TO

The 2nd half looks good too. 3 games @ LAD which is tough and SF and TX come to town, but otherwise it's the following:

• EIGHT series against NL/AL Central teams
• Series against the Rockies and Marlins
• Division rivals 

If we can tread water and stay healthy until May 29th we should be in a decent position to make a run.

 

[max silver]

6 hours ago, Orgfiller said:

Roden needs to start putting the ball in the air. He has a disgusting > 60% groundball rate, with a 10% line drive rate and a 30% IFFB rate. The ABs themselves haven't been poor and he's making contact, but he's not driving the ball at all. Seems like any pitch low in the zone is a recipe for a groundball, and on high pitches he's popping it up instead. You could at least live with a bit of a slap hitter if he turned a number of those ground balls into soft line drives into the outfield, but he's not doing that at the moment. He needs to work on his swing path badly.

It's amazing how quickly a guy's numbers can improve at this early point of the season. Roden is suddenly up to 123 wRC+ after the double and home run tonight.

[Orgfiller]

39 minutes ago, max silver said:

It's amazing how quickly a guy's numbers can improve at this early point of the season. Roden is suddenly up to 123 wRC+ after the double and home run tonight.

Yeah ironically he did exactly what we were complaining he wasn’t doing before lol. Two excellent swings today, an oppo gapper and a no doubter to RF.

[max silver]

18 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

Yeah ironically he did exactly what we were complaining he wasn’t doing before lol. Two excellent swings today, an oppo gapper and a no doubter to RF.

It seemed apparent that Roden's mechanics were a little out of whack. The early results of his adjustments at the plate were certainly encouraging to see. 

[Brownie19]

10 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

I would agree it might soon be time to try some different Buffalo boys.  We knew we were hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and unfortunately, Roden and Wagner aren't seizing their opportunity.

It is still early, but it's not a very encouraging start for the Jays.  I hope Bo keeps hitting so we can trade him for a haul at the deadline.

This aged so well...

[jaysblue]

Is StubHub the official ticket resale market for MLB? Checked tickets for the game, and not many are available as I recall before. More available on the Jays official site, but ticket prices are 😱

[Mikeleelop]

How long is Ernie Clement's rope?

does he get unlimited starts at 3B??

[Jimcanuck]

16 minutes ago, Mikeleelop said:

How long is Ernie Clement's rope?

does he get unlimited starts at 3B??

He's not close to the end of the rope.  It's April 16th.  Trust more in his overall MLB numbers and not 15 or whatever games worth.

I'm sure the FO is actively trying to upgrade, but even if that happens, Ernie can play all over the diamond and becomes a super utility player

 

[R.O.]

And Clement's defensive is so good, he is a plus WAR player (0.3 fWAR).

[AMS528]

On 4/14/2025 at 2:36 PM, Laika said:

slashing a lot of "doubles trajectory" liners to the opposite field and an unlucky number of those have been caught 

definitely a much better disease than slapping everything into the dirt 

the xwOBA god has a .385 xwOBA after all 

King Vlad 

It was .394 yesterday and should be clear above .400 after today. I noted in the game thread, but his xwOBA has matched with his actual output basically every single season besides 2023. He's fine and he'll probably be very good this year. 

[Brownie19]

9 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Is StubHub the official ticket resale market for MLB? Checked tickets for the game, and not many are available as I recall before. More available on the Jays official site, but ticket prices are 😱

This is what AI tells me when I asked that question...

 

While StubHub was formerly an official ticket resale partner for MLB, that agreement has ended. SeatGeek is now the official ticket marketplace for MLB. This means fans can manage their MLB tickets, forward them, or resell them directly on the SeatGeek platform. 

[jaysblue]

8 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

This is what AI tells me when I asked that question...

 

While StubHub was formerly an official ticket resale partner for MLB, that agreement has ended. SeatGeek is now the official ticket marketplace for MLB. This means fans can manage their MLB tickets, forward them, or resell them directly on the SeatGeek platform. 

Thanks will check SeatGeek out next time.

I was shocked to see the low inventory for a Wednesday afternoon game on StubHub. Ended up purchasing a single ticket from Vivid Seats. 

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, jaysblue said:

Thanks will check SeatGeek out next time.

I was shocked to see the low inventory for a Wednesday afternoon game on StubHub. Ended up purchasing a single ticket from Vivid Seats. 

Nice - looks like you caught a good one!

[Terminator]

1 hour ago, Mikeleelop said:

How long is Ernie Clement's rope?

does he get unlimited starts at 3B??

They'll probably just ride Clement and Wagner until the trade deadline

Maybe Barger could factor in here

[Terminator]

Is it too early to be perusing the 5-13 Braves roster for possible trade deadline additions?

Chris Sale would fit into our playoff rotation just fine

[G-Snarls]

So do they try to extend Chris Bassitt or just be happy with what they got from him and give him a qualifying offer? 

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Is it too early to be perusing the 5-13 Braves roster for possible trade deadline additions?

Chris Sale would fit into our playoff rotation just fine

LOL might be a bit early but fun to think about 

[Terminator]

Presented without comment:

• Kylometres Straw = 0.5 WAR
• Roki Sasaki = 0 WAR

 

[Masterbather]

On 4/15/2025 at 6:20 PM, Terminator said:

I know some of you really hate it when I talk about schedules but the toughest part of it is by far the first month. Nats are the only non-contender we are facing this month.

May seems better and then on May 29th through the All-Star break it really opens up for us.

• 7 games vs the A's
• 6 vs the ChiSox
• 3 games vs. the Angels in TO

The 2nd half looks good too. 3 games @ LAD which is tough and SF and TX come to town, but otherwise it's the following:

• EIGHT series against NL/AL Central teams
• Series against the Rockies and Marlins
• Division rivals 

If we can tread water and stay healthy until May 29th we should be in a decent position to make a run.

 

May 29th is my birthday. Perhaps that's some sort of omen. Not sure if it's a positive or negative one though lol.

[june.june]

Is Austin Riley or Isaac Paredes could be had?

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

Early still but so far the Jays top WAR earning position players are in order...

Springer 0.6

Heineman 0.6

Straw 0.5

Giminez 0.5

Roden 0.4

Clement 0.3

 

Just as most predicted

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Early still but so far the Jays top WAR earning position players are in order...

Springer 0.6

Heineman 0.6

Straw 0.5

Giminez 0.5

Roden 0.4

Clement 0.3

 

Just as most predicted

It's hilarious that all of them are above Bo, Vlad and Santander 

[mphenhef]

On 4/15/2025 at 7:20 PM, Terminator said:

I know some of you really hate it when I talk about schedules but the toughest part of it is by far the first month. Nats are the only non-contender we are facing this month.

May seems better and then on May 29th through the All-Star break it really opens up for us.

• 7 games vs the A's
• 6 vs the ChiSox
• 3 games vs. the Angels in TO

The 2nd half looks good too. 3 games @ LAD which is tough and SF and TX come to town, but otherwise it's the following:

• EIGHT series against NL/AL Central teams
• Series against the Rockies and Marlins
• Division rivals 

If we can tread water and stay healthy until May 29th we should be in a decent position to make a run.

 

This is at least the third season in a row with tough schedules to start.   It was especially bad the previous two years due to the Orioles and Rays getting quick starts due to easy opening schedules.  

 

The fact they are doing well this year through it is a good sign so far.  Last year especially it felt like all the high leverage games early in the season really taxed the arms and they paid for it later in the season.

[Laika]

21 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

This is at least the third season in a row with tough schedules to start.   It was especially bad the previous two years due to the Orioles and Rays getting quick starts due to easy opening schedules.  

 

The fact they are doing well this year through it is a good sign so far.  Last year especially it felt like all the high leverage games early in the season really taxed the arms and they paid for it later in the season.

Jays also had to start with those long ass road trips last couple seasons