General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Carlos Danger]

Ron Washington would be rolling in his gravy right now

 

Isn’t he still alive and managing the Angels?

[Pendleton]

Isn’t he still alive and managing the Angels?

 

That's why I went with gravy

[BigCecil]

You might want to wait for the sample size to increase on those short term signings, especially IKF. I hope you're right, but I suspect IKF and 2024 KK in particular are not going to meet the criteria that other Atkins short term deals have.

 

Also, I think Yariel was the one signing no one really complained about as none of us had any clue what to expect from him.

 

Term troll dunking after 18 gms lol. IKF wont end up with a 145 wRC+ and Turner won't end up with over 200. Its all unicorns and rainbows now, but its a long season.

 

I remember a guy named Chapman who had a hell of an an April in '23. Wasn't so great after that. I remember a guy named Belt last year who had a 48 wRC+ in April and ended the season at 138. Early returns are exceptional but there will be regression towards projected. What we need is the big guns pick up that slack on O. Last night showed some of that. Give us more!

[Brownie19]

You might want to wait for the sample size to increase on those short term signings, especially IKF. I hope you're right, but I suspect IKF and 2024 KK in particular are not going to meet the criteria that other Atkins short term deals have.

 

Also, I think Yariel was the one signing no one really complained about as none of us had any clue what to expect from him.

 

Right over your head eh? Nice.

[Laika]

Term troll dunking after 18 gms lol. IKF wont end up with a 145 wRC+ and Turner won't end up with over 200. Its all unicorns and rainbows now, but its a long season.

 

I remember a guy named Chapman who had a hell of an an April in '23. Wasn't so great after that. I remember a guy named Belt last year who had a 48 wRC+ in April and ended the season at 138. Early returns are exceptional but there will be regression towards projected. What we need is the big guns pick up that slack on O. Last night showed some of that. Give us more!

 

My dude, this team looks formidable. 10-8 after a grueling first 18 game schedule that involved a 10 day road trip against three elite teams and then a homestand that ended with the Judge-Soto Yankees and began with arch nemesis Cal Raleigh and his gigantic dumper.

 

Accomplished without:

 

- Kevin Gausman helping at all

- Danny Jansen

- Romano and Swanson

- Vlad, Bo, KK, Varsho, and Kirk doing much of anything. Minor caveat being the defensive contributions of the latter three.

 

It's just a clutch team that knows how to win. Elite bullpen + defense is going to mean stealing games in winning 2/3 of the close ones.

 

When VladBo get hot, it's lights out for the rest of the league.

[Terminator]

Is there anyway to make a prop bet on Boone getting tossed today?

 

Unless he diligently worked an anger management program this offseason there is no way he’s going to be able to endure a sweep at the hands of the Jays without blowing a gasket.

[Laika]

Is there anyway to make a prop bet on Boone getting tossed today?

 

Unless he diligently worked an anger management program this offseason there is no way he’s going to be able to endure a sweep at the hands of the Jays without blowing a gasket.

 

Yankees have been getting so many favourable calls this series too.

 

ump scorecard said +0.63 runs for NYY in game 1

haven't seen the scorecard tweet for game 2 but Kikuchi was not getting certain calls that Rodon was. And Richards threw a pair of strikes that the ump missed, that actually cost Toronto a run.

[Terminator]

I would love to see the ump scorecards for the last few seasons against them.

 

This year I think we’ve been in the favorable side once and it was barely the case. But there were some blown calls in the field that made up for it.

[Sorrow]

I would love to see the ump scorecards for the last few seasons against them.

 

This year I think we’ve been in the favorable side once and it was barely the case. But there were some blown calls in the field that made up for it.

 

Yankees ended last season at +15 calls for or runs and the Jays has -3.

[Nexii]

+0.12 runs for the Jays last night

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1780606034140356822/photo/1

[glory]

Term troll dunking after 18 gms lol. IKF wont end up with a 145 wRC+ and Turner won't end up with over 200. Its all unicorns and rainbows now, but its a long season.

 

I remember a guy named Chapman who had a hell of an an April in '23. Wasn't so great after that. I remember a guy named Belt last year who had a 48 wRC+ in April and ended the season at 138. Early returns are exceptional but there will be regression towards projected. What we need is the big guns pick up that slack on O. Last night showed some of that. Give us more!

 

Yeah I don’t mind Term’s trolling here as it means the Jays are winning and those players are doing well (KK excluded for now). I just find it hard to get excited about those players in particular because there is a real chance we will be begging for them to be replaced by June/July (IKF and KK specifically). But hey, hope Atkins’ streak of finding good value continues even if I don’t see it. IKF putting up a 3 WAR season would be hysterical for a number of reasons, mainly the reaction of Yankees fans who mostly hated him.

 

Ultimately as you said it will come down to the big guys (Vlad/Bo) and the pitching staff.

[Brownie19]

Yeah I don’t mind Term’s trolling here as it means the Jays are winning and those players are doing well (KK excluded for now). I just find it hard to get excited about those players in particular because there is a real chance we will be begging for them to be replaced by June/July (IKF and KK specifically). But hey, hope Atkins’ streak of finding good value continues even if I don’t see it. IKF putting up a 3 WAR season would be hysterical for a number of reasons, mainly the reaction of Yankees fans who mostly hated him.

 

Ultimately as you said it will come down to the big guys (Vlad/Bo) and the pitching staff.

 

I mean - there's a chance that the play of Schneider or Barger pushes IKF to a super utility role by June/July. Things change throughout the year. Maybe IKF can give us a 100 wRC+ season with the bat. Maybe we make an in-season trade. I mean if all those things fail and IKF is an 85 wRC+ bat and gets 600+ PA's, that's probably not ideal.

 

No idea why people would get too concerned with what may happen in August.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Kooch, Berrios and Bassitt all in their groove, if Gausman can get back to being Gausman Jays will have a chance to win a lot of games.

[Laika]

+0.12 runs for the Jays last night

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1780606034140356822/photo/1

 

i must apologize to the ump

[John_Havok]

I mean - there's a chance that the play of Schneider or Barger pushes IKF to a super utility role by June/July. Things change throughout the year. Maybe IKF can give us a 100 wRC+ season with the bat. Maybe we make an in-season trade. I mean if all those things fail and IKF is an 85 wRC+ bat and gets 600+ PA's, that's probably not ideal.

 

No idea why people would get too concerned with what may happen in August.

 

Well part of the reason the IKF signing gets questioned is because the big boys in the lineup still suck compared to their expectations.

 

I don’t think anyone would argue with an IKF signing at his exact price if he was the super utility guy on a roster that looks like all it needed was some depth. His signing is totally fine, but it gets pushback due to the optics.

[BigCecil]

Yeah I don’t mind Term’s trolling here as it means the Jays are winning and those players are doing well (KK excluded for now). I just find it hard to get excited about those players in particular because there is a real chance we will be begging for them to be replaced by June/July (IKF and KK specifically). But hey, hope Atkins’ streak of finding good value continues even if I don’t see it. IKF putting up a 3 WAR season would be hysterical for a number of reasons, mainly the reaction of Yankees fans who mostly hated him.

 

Ultimately as you said it will come down to the big guys (Vlad/Bo) and the pitching staff.

 

Just drink in the feel good vibes of a 4 game (5 after today) win streak I guess and every-ting is irie mon.

[Ray]

Big stretch of games coming up

 

3 @ Padres

4 @ Royals

3 vs. Dodgers

3 vs. Royals

 

Padres have been swinging it early in the season, Dodgers are Dodgers, and Royals have had a hot start.

[Spanky99]

Big stretch of games coming up

 

3 @ Padres

4 @ Royals

3 vs. Dodgers

3 vs. Royals

 

Padres have been swinging it early in the season, Dodgers are Dodgers, and Royals have had a hot start.

 

Oh noes...

[BigCecil]

Schneider says Green has shoulder soreness. Gausman wasn’t his best today, but a big step forward from first two starts.

[G-Snarls]

Schneider says Green has shoulder soreness. Gausman wasn’t his best today, but a big step forward from first two starts.

 

Shitt thing is if Green needs the IL they can't bring Pearson back this soon can they?

[Spanky99]

Shitt thing is if Green needs the IL they can't bring Pearson back this soon can they?

 

Yes

[Carlos Danger]

Shitt thing is if Green needs the IL they can't bring Pearson back this soon can they?

 

Yes, there is an IL exception.

[mphenhef]

Big stretch of games coming up

 

3 @ Padres

4 @ Royals

3 vs. Dodgers

3 vs. Royals

 

Padres have been swinging it early in the season, Dodgers are Dodgers, and Royals have had a hot start.

 

And starting it all against a knuckleballer. Normally this would screw with their timing but with their timing already being off maybe it will have the opposite effect and fix it?

[Laika]

I thought the decision to chance Swanson with the save was dumb but I guess it makes more sense if Green was not available.

 

Didn't want to use Romano back to back immediately.

Didn't want to use Garcia 3x in a row in April.

 

Sigh. Optioning Pearson may have immediately cost them a game.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yes in hindsight it would have been nice to see what Pearson would have done in that spot after being electric in his last outing.

 

Still so frustrating losing that game. Jays staff basically held those s*** stains in check for 26 innings for the most part.

[keggy]

I thought the decision to chance Swanson with the save was dumb but I guess it makes more sense if Green was not available.

 

Didn't want to use Romano back to back immediately.

Didn't want to use Garcia 3x in a row in April.

 

Sigh. Optioning Pearson may have immediately cost them a game.

 

Yeah I probably wouldn't have activated two leverage guys at the same time if they can't go back to back. This team is constantly in close games.

[Jays24]

Yeah I probably wouldn't have activated two leverage guys at the same time if they can't go back to back. This team is constantly in close games.

 

That's exactly the common sense issue that went over the Jays head. I'd understand if the guy they sent down was struggling but Nate was pitching the best baseball of his life. It made absolutely 0 sense to treat Swanson like he's Mariano Rivera.

 

Losing that game to the Yankees costs us 2 games in the standings to them and with our margin of error being so little this year, we might look back at this loss in September.

[The_DH]

Yeah I probably wouldn't have activated two leverage guys at the same time if they can't go back to back. This team is constantly in close games.

 

Yeah it would have made more sense to stagger them a day or two.

[Stangstag]

Yeah I probably wouldn't have activated two leverage guys at the same time if they can't go back to back. This team is constantly in close games.

 

Great point.

 

Although Brownie will now come and tell us all why the front office made the correct decision and that we’re all armchair GMs.

[Brownie19]

Great point.

 

Although Brownie will now come and tell us all why the front office made the correct decision and that we’re all armchair GMs.

 

No - I won't. I called you that because based solely on his results, you suggested it was obvious he wasn't ready. It was classic armchair quarterbacking.

 

I suspect the team believed Romano and Swanson were both ready to compete and contribute and were better options than White/Pearson and they wanted to have the best options available v. the Yankees. Did they get "caught" because Romano couldn't yet go B2B? Maybe. I don't think we know whether they knew Romano couldn't go B2B (or only the case of an emergency), or whether he woke up Wednesday morning and told JS he was tender or something. We also don't know when it became apparent that Green shoulder was sore. Either way, I probably want Romano closing out Tuesday's game than having him rehab longer and prove he can go B2B in AAA.

 

If they knew Green was sore before they activated Romano and Swanson - then I'd agree that keeping kept Pearson up here and staggered the callups would likely have been preferred (even though Pearson has only pitched B2B like 4 times in his career with bad results). Seems doubtful that was the case though?

 

We aren't talking about this if Swanson pitches a clean inning v. the bottom of the Yankees lineup. Or if Green's shoulder isn't sore and he closes it out. Or if our offense scored more runs, or if we got blown out yesterday. At the end of the day, the team felt Swanson gave them a better chance to win than Pearson. Swanson sucked, so people create a narrative that obviously he wasn't ready, or we start looking at AAA rehab numbers and other stupid s*** to justify a mistake. People are also acting like Pearson is some lockdown, surefire closer who couldn't possibly have failed in that situation because he mowed down the Rockies in his last game (and he isn't some 27 year old failed prospect with a career xFIP and FIP over 5). It's a game of inches - if that line drive goes into IKF's glove, instead of off it - or if Clement comes up with that ball at 3rd - it's a different conversation.

 

Did you guys want the best arms available for the Yankees series? I sure did. The FO has significantly more information than we do, so yes, I give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sorry that type of logic isn't supported by some.

Edited April 18, 2024 by Brownie19