Toronto Blue Jays Roster Discussion (2022)

[L54]

Disagree, have been to both places many times, one can easily mistake one for the other

 

Nationalities are an arbitrary construct

 

As have I. I’ve never had any problems. Just like I have the ability to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino people from each other.

[Brownie19]

As have I. I’ve never had any problems. Just like I have the ability to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino people from each other.

 

Do you want a medal?

[Carlos Danger]

Nah, the genetic differences between two persons that look very different are very very minimal

 

One race, the human race

 

From here on out, I am now going to refer to you as my deaf, Mexican buddy who lives up in the 51st state.

[Terminator]

This is the Blue Jays Roster Discussion thread

 

I feel partly to blame because it all started when a little known and not very well respected poster admitted to everyone that he was clout chasing by taking swings at The Sheriff. But in my defense it was easy, all I had to do was list a few facts about Alejandro Kirk (way more impressive age 23 season than Mike Piazza btw) and he tied himself up into knots like a pretzel by going on a horrific and racist rant.

[BTS]

That feel when nobody takes me seriously because you all know I don't want to ban any of you

[L54]

Do you want a medal?

 

Who hurt you brownie bites? You’ve been an angry little elf lately

[Terminator]

Ok let's get things back on track here. Do we actually have TOO MANY good relievers? We can only carry 13 pitchers and 5 are starters. That leaves 8 relievers. The following are under contract for next year:

 

Locks:

Jordan Romano

Anthony Bass

Yimi Garcia

Adam Cimber

Tim Mayza

Trevor Richards

 

Has options but otherwise would be a lock:

Zach Pop

 

Out of options so likely to make it?:

Julian Merryweather

 

Starters who could move to the bullpen:

Yusei Kikuchi

Mitch White (out of options)

 

40 man guys with options

Trent Thornton (could be non-tendered, proj to make $1.1M in arb)

Nate Pearson

Taylor Saucedo

Thomas Hatch

Hagen Danner

Anthony Kay

Foster Griffin

Matt Gage

 

If you take the guys on the Locks list plus Zach Pop and Julian Merryweather that's 8 right there without including Mitch White. I guess we could option Pop and keep White and have Kikuchi as the #5, all of which is a possibility, but if we sign any relievers more additional moves will need to be made. I expect we'll see some trades this offseason involving relievers. I could see Richards being moved, for example.

[wilko]

This is the Blue Jays Roster Discussion thread

 

Yes. Get this thread back on track guys.

[L54]

Lots of serviceable to above average relievers and then one really good one. Most of these guys project as like 4 FIP relievers and then Romano

 

Even just bringing in one guy who you have confidence being 1B to Romano would be a welcome sight. Push everyone else down one spot. The depth wasn’t the problem.

[Brownie19]

Who hurt you brownie bites? You’ve been an angry little elf lately

 

I get more action in a week than you've had your entire life. I've got houses in LA, Paris and Vail. Oh, each one of them with a 70 inch plasma screen. So, I suggest you wipe that stupid smile off your face before I come over there and smack if off. You feeling strong my friend? Call me elf one more time!!!

[Brownie19]

Lots of serviceable to above average relievers and then one really good one. Most of these guys project as like 4 FIP relievers and then Romano

 

Even just bringing in one guy who you have confidence being 1B to Romano would be a welcome sight. Push everyone else down one spot. The depth wasn’t the problem.

 

This is spot on. I think we see some movement in the pen his offseason.

[Krylian]

This is spot on. I think we see some movement in the pen his offseason.

 

Based on the willingness to make significant improvements to the pen this team has shown in the past?

[Terminator]

Yeah it's easy to say we'll see some movement in the pen or that we need to add some guys and just drop everyone down a peg but there are 40 man roster considerations that will play heavy factor which was the point of my original post. If we add a 1B to Romano (that's a pretty damn good reliever) then we have to kick Merryweather or Richards to the curb for basically nothing. That's not a huge deal I guess but that's with Pop (who is pretty damn good in his own right) already being optioned.

 

Further adding to the logjam is what we'll do with White and Kikuchi. I assume White, who is out of options, will be the long man in the pen but I wouldn't mind seeing what Kikuchi could do in the pen as well. His numbers as a reliever were electric and you can survive in the pen with a BB/9 around 5. As a starter that is much more difficult. But if he's in the pen then that's another one of the 8 bullpen spots being taken.

[wamco]

Ok let's get things back on track here. Do we actually have TOO MANY good relievers? We can only carry 13 pitchers and 5 are starters. That leaves 8 relievers. The following are under contract for next year:

 

Locks:

Jordan Romano

Anthony Bass

Yimi Garcia

Adam Cimber

Tim Mayza

Trevor Richards

 

Has options but otherwise would be a lock:

Zach Pop

 

Out of options so likely to make it?:

Julian Merryweather

 

Starters who could move to the bullpen:

Yusei Kikuchi

Mitch White (out of options)

 

40 man guys with options

Trent Thornton (could be non-tendered, proj to make $1.1M in arb)

Nate Pearson

Taylor Saucedo

Thomas Hatch

Hagen Danner

Anthony Kay

Foster Griffin

Matt Gage

 

If you take the guys on the Locks list plus Zach Pop and Julian Merryweather that's 8 right there without including Mitch White. I guess we could option Pop and keep White and have Kikuchi as the #5, all of which is a possibility, but if we sign any relievers more additional moves will need to be made. I expect we'll see some trades this offseason involving relievers. I could see Richards being moved, for example.

 

This is how I see it as well. I’d dedicate dollars to sp if funds are limited. Internal options are on the way and the bp will be sufficiently deep and good next year as they were the last 2 months of the regular season. Misusing mayza and bass and Romano having a bad outing isn’t going to cloud my opinion of the bp. High floor. Richards and Cimber handle lhp quite well.

 

Who would be content with an off-season merely of signing rodon and trading a catcher? (I’d cut tapia as well).

[G-Snarls]

This is how I see it as well. I’d dedicate dollars to sp if funds are limited. Internal options are on the way and the bp will be sufficiently deep and good next year as they were the last 2 months of the regular season. Misusing mayza and bass and Romano having a bad outing isn’t going to cloud my opinion of the bp. High floor. Richards and Cimber handle lhp quite well.

 

Who would be content with an off-season merely of signing rodon and trading a catcher? (I’d cut tapia as well).

 

You guys might be right. If you calm down, step back, and look at the roster objectively, the bullpen actually probably projects as being quite good. Perhaps still a bit low in high strikeout arms but still very good overall.

 

I would favor:

 

Sign one starting pitcher (and assume that Ryu doesn’t pitch all year)

 

Extend Stripling if possible

 

Fix Berrios

 

Sign or trade for one high leverage high strikeout bullpen arm

 

Trade some combination of a catcher/Biggio/excess bullpen arms for an outfielder who can hit and play multiple positions including center. Springer misses a lot of games in CF. Tapia and JBJ are not adequate backups.

 

Cut Tapia

 

Keep Merrifield

 

Extend Vladdy before he has another monster season

 

Keep the farm intact

[G-Snarls]

Or just get the suddenly disgrunted Ohtani and forget everything else

[Laika]

I dunno what they will do with the relievers

 

I just hope I get to see Cimber hop side to side all year long

[Terminator]

I dunno what they will do with the relievers

 

I just hope I get to see Cimber hop side to side all year long

 

Hell yeah. Dude has a lower ERA the past two years than Edwin Diaz.

[Carlos Danger]

Ok let's get things back on track here. Do we actually have TOO MANY good relievers? We can only carry 13 pitchers and 5 are starters. That leaves 8 relievers. The following are under contract for next year:

 

Locks:

Jordan Romano

Anthony Bass

Yimi Garcia

Adam Cimber

Tim Mayza

Trevor Richards

 

Has options but otherwise would be a lock:

Zach Pop

 

Out of options so likely to make it?:

Julian Merryweather

 

Starters who could move to the bullpen:

Yusei Kikuchi

Mitch White (out of options)

 

40 man guys with options

Trent Thornton (could be non-tendered, proj to make $1.1M in arb)

Nate Pearson

Taylor Saucedo

Thomas Hatch

Hagen Danner

Anthony Kay

Foster Griffin

Matt Gage

 

If you take the guys on the Locks list plus Zach Pop and Julian Merryweather that's 8 right there without including Mitch White. I guess we could option Pop and keep White and have Kikuchi as the #5, all of which is a possibility, but if we sign any relievers more additional moves will need to be made. I expect we'll see some trades this offseason involving relievers. I could see Richards being moved, for example.

 

Objectively, regardless of contract, if we want to improve on last year, we should not be complacent with guys like Richards. We can upgrade and add.

[Terminator]

Objectively, regardless of contract, if we want to improve on last year, we should not be complacent with guys like Richards. We can upgrade and add.

 

Yeah he's nothing special but you could certainly do worse than him as one of the last guys in your pen for $1.5M.

[Laika]

lmao Trevor Richards is EXACTLY the type of guy who they would let walk and then he would turn into an Ace reliever somewhere else

 

watch it happen

[jaysblue]

As have I. I’ve never had any problems. Just like I have the ability to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino people from each other.

 

After travelling through Asia extensively, my abilities to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino/Vietnamese/Thai is quite good.

[Brownie19]

Based on the willingness to make significant improvements to the pen this team has shown in the past?

 

Well - that's fair. Perhaps there won't be. [shrugs]

[Brownie19]

lmao Trevor Richards is EXACTLY the type of guy who they would let walk and then he would turn into an Ace reliever somewhere else

 

watch it happen

 

Him or Merryweather are bound to do this...

[Laika]

If we are trying to remove some names from the pen to make room and get a bit of value...

 

I'd be selling Tim Mayza I think. I know he's the only good lefty but his stuff is not that amazing; he has a bit of a weird profile is a sinker lefty without an overpowering fastball which I am just not that into and do not buy as a long term good BP arm.

 

I'd be okay with flipping Zach Pop if some other team is hot for him. Seems like he is utterly replaceable.

[Brownie19]

After travelling through Asia extensively, my abilities to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino/Vietnamese/Thai is quite good.

 

f*** - now I need to send out 2 trophies

[Carlos Danger]

Yeah he's nothing special but you could certainly do worse than him as one of the last guys in your pen for $1.5M.

 

Yea, but what is our objective. We can’t go to war with almost same same as last season and expect different results.

 

Each incremental improvement helps the overall improvement of the team. We shouldn’t just look at shiny stuff to help us improve, we should be aiming for sum total improvement.

[Brownie19]

If we are trying to remove some names from the pen to make room and get a bit of value...

 

I'd be selling Tim Mayza I think. I know he's the only good lefty but his stuff is not that amazing; he has a bit of a weird profile is a sinker lefty without an overpowering fastball which I am just not that into and do not buy as a long term good BP arm.

 

I'd be okay with flipping Zach Pop if some other team is hot for him. Seems like he is utterly replaceable.

 

I agree with Mayza - although it would be ideal if the replacement/upgrade was also left handed.

 

Pop was supposed to be the guy we turn from a nobody into Clay Holmes! Pete was to work his magic on Pop this offseason.

[Terminator]

After travelling through Asia extensively, my abilities to distinguish Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Filipino/Vietnamese/Thai is quite good.

 

We've moved on from this topic.

[The Cats Ass]

After seeing Kikuchi put up Hader-like stats in the bullpen I think he should start the season there. Just put him in the bullpen from the get go, give up on him as a SP.