Ryu to Jays!!!

[glory]

Even with the Roark and Ryu signings, IMO Shatkins is still very much taking the build from within / player development approach to a winner.

 

Yeah they haven't really gone balls to the wall this off season. Reality is the Jays probably needed at least 3 big league starters when the off season began even if they were continuing to rebuild (they literally had no one reliable to count on), and they signed 4 (or 3.5 depending on how Yamaguchi does). What they have done is basically continue the rebuild while increasing the floor of the big league team. Didn't lose a pick since Ryu couldn't get the QO again, and haven't subtracted from the farm at all. The only young player who has been hurt by this winter so far is Tellez, but it's not like he's earned a spot on the roster (and there's a good chance he sucks anyway).

 

Shatkins is still going to bank on the development of Pearson in 2020, and maybe someone like Kay can come up and do something as well. They'll still give Teoscar and Fisher plenty of chances, and Drury isn't going anywhere. This is basically a development year with a shot at .500.

[Spanky99]

How does one like a post on the mobile version?

 

Huh?

[mtljaysfan]

Great signing. I can't wait to watch Ryu and Pearson to anchor our rotation in years to come, with two contrasting styles, one triple-digits hard throwing, and the other soft tossing.

[Bobthe4th]

[Terminator]

 

Olney deserves an "Ok boomer" for that one. Yeah there is risk for Ryu and every other FA out there but he doesn't even need to hit 160 a year to earn the contract. He's super talented and can crank out a lot of value even if he's not pitching a bunch of innings a year.

[Spanky99]

Olney deserves an "Ok boomer" for that one. Yeah there is risk for Ryu and every other FA out there but he doesn't even need to hit 160 a year to earn the contract. He's super talented and can crank out a lot of value even if he's not pitching a bunch of innings a year.

 

Plus Bob, he's Buster Olney.

[Pendleton]

[Key22]

Ryu seems like a pitcher not just a thrower. And having a junk pitcher with command and control makes up for not having elite stuff. The game is littered with 98mph fantastic stuff machines the fizzle out in 3 years.

 

I don't think anyone should expect a first tier Ace out of Ryu but if he can be a solid starter that keeps the team in the game in the majority of starts...a Mark Beuhrle or Jimmy Key type then this is a terrific sign. All pitchers are injury risks. Soyou just hope his arm holds out. If he is a solid 3 maybe a 2 then you have a respectable rotation and next offseason maybe we can add. And we will have a rotation that might look appealing to a free agent especially if Pearson dominates.

[Deadpool]

Ryu seems like a pitcher not just a thrower. And having a junk pitcher with command and control makes up for not having elite stuff. The game is littered with 98mph fantastic stuff machines the fizzle out in 3 years.

 

I don't think anyone should expect a first tier Ace out of Ryu but if he can be a solid starter that keeps the team in the game in the majority of starts...a Mark Beuhrle or Jimmy Key type then this is a terrific sign. All pitchers are injury risks. Soyou just hope his arm holds out. If he is a solid 3 maybe a 2 then you have a respectable rotation and next offseason maybe we can add. And we will have a rotation that might look appealing to a free agent especially if Pearson dominates.

 

You are REALLY selling Ryu short here. The only thing that keeps him from being considered one of the top pitchers in baseball is health issues. He is an ace when healthy. Obviously he's getting into the danger age for pitchers, but because he's not a guy that relies on velocity (or a trick pitch that is great one day and completely out of control the next) he PROBABLY won't decline as much as a guy who relies on blowing it past hitters.

 

The only reason he didn't get a nine figure contract, and the only reason the Jays could afford him, is because of his injury history.

Edited December 24, 2019 by Deadpool

[SaskJaysFan_2]

 

Why is Spanky99 flying over Superman? #mate

[SaskJaysFan_2]

The majority of this forum, loves Shatkins??? Just saying...

 

You could be right, but there has been a lot of animus directed towards the duo in this forum.

[Pendleton]

Unfortunately the domestic talent pool in the KBO has become more dry over the last few years... Kwang Hyun Kim, that fella the Cards signed recently, is probably the last true decent talent that will be available from there for the next little while. There's one more semi-decent soft-tossing lefty due on the market for next year (Hyun-Jong Yang), but it's not someone we'd really be interested in. If anything I think there's probably gonna be more attention paid to the former MLBers who revive their career over there, like Eric Thames and Josh Lindblom (btw, interesting tidbit for Jays fans: Our old hopeful Deck McGuire went there last year and actually managed to pitch a no-hitter, but fizzled and was released by mid season... poor guy).

 

I was thinking more along the lines of younger players who will grow up watching the Jays on tv. Seems like South Korea has fielded some strong teams at recent LLWS.

[Sharpey]

You are REALLY selling Ryu short here. The only thing that keeps him from being considered one of the top pitchers in baseball is health issues. He is an ace when healthy. Obviously he's getting into the danger age for pitchers, but because he's not a guy that relies on velocity (or a trick pitch that is great one day and completely out of control the next) he PROBABLY won't decline as much as a guy who relies on blowing it past hitters.

 

The only reason he didn't get a nine figure contract, and the only reason the Jays could afford him, is because of his injury history.

 

I agree. Even Clayton Kershaw referred to Greinke and Ryu as different breeds ( who got great commands rather than hard throw fireballers ).

 

Following gives a good demonstration on style of Ryu's pitching:

 

[RotatorCuff]

I agree. Even Clayton Kershaw referred to Greinke and Ryu as different breeds ( who got great commands rather than hard throw fireballers ).

 

Following gives a good demonstration on style of Ryu's pitching:

 

 

your video led to me to these Ryu highlights, notice Martin catching him a lot early on

 

[Dick_Pole]

 

This is a very bad take. Given the extreme lack of salary constraints for the next two years, the risk is effectively zero (if we assumed the Jays weren't successful in deploying these funds elsewhere). Even 2022 and 2023 aren't looking that onerous. Oh no! Rogers stock price might tank 3 pennies if this guy rips open his arm on opening day. I don't own Rogers stock so this is a risk I am willing to take.

 

Even just the soft benefits mentioned ITT like the Korea influence, FO trying to compete in the eyes of the fans etc, might make this deal worth it.

[Deadpool]

your video led to me to these Ryu highlights, notice Martin catching him a lot early on

 

 

I did actually wonder if he spoke w/ Martin about Canada/The Jays at any point before agreeing to the deal (or during their time together, so he'd know in advance what it was like...)

[EMK19]

I did actually wonder if he spoke w/ Martin about Canada/The Jays at any point before agreeing to the deal (or during their time together, so he'd know in advance what it was like...)

 

What I read from Korean Media was that he actually contacted Seung-Hwan Oh about his experiences in Toronto, who apparently had nothing but good things to say and fully recommended the move. He was apparently somewhat disappointed when he was traded concerning the lifestyle side of things, as he was quite enjoying his time here (and I can kinda understand that... Denver prob didn’t have much of a Korean community).

 

Ryu did have good chemistry with Russell in LA, and some Korean posters are even suggesting that we bring him back... not aware of why he was initially sent packing in the first place. They’ll probably grow to like Jansen/McGuire soon enough though.

[Carlos Danger]

I think these things about the Korean community and Toronto etc are way overblown and not based on reality.

 

Ryu is a Boras client. Name one Boras client who took less money because of peripheral factors apart from winning team, promotional earnings ability or maybe playing time in a rebuilding year for the player.

 

Boras clients go where the money is, he does not permit any less and the Jays are where the $$$ were in this case.

[Carlos Danger]

What I read from Korean Media was that he actually contacted Seung-Hwan Oh about his experiences in Toronto, who apparently had nothing but good things to say and fully recommended the move. He was apparently somewhat disappointed when he was traded concerning the lifestyle side of things, as he was quite enjoying his time here (and I can kinda understand that... Denver prob didn’t have much of a Korean community).

 

Ryu did have good chemistry with Russell in LA, and some Korean posters are even suggesting that we bring him back... not aware of why he was initially sent packing in the first place. They’ll probably grow to like Jansen/McGuire soon enough though.

 

Martin was sent packing because he sucked. His skills had degraded, he was blocking a few of our young guys. I can’t recall if we got any salary relief? However, we were paying boo coup dollars from a back loaded contract for a guy who was past his prime.

 

Not a fan of rostering any catcher just because of one pitcher. Hated, hated the Thole/Dickey situation.

 

Back then only 25 roster spots and you were basically playing with a 24 man roster apart from every fifth day since Thole sucked and would not be back up if not for Dickey.

[EMK19]

I think these things about the Korean community and Toronto etc are way overblown and not based on reality.

 

Ryu is a Boras client. Name one Boras client who took less money because of peripheral factors apart from winning team, promotional earnings ability or maybe playing time in a rebuilding year for the player.

 

Boras clients go where the money is, he does not permit any less and the Jays are where the $$$ were in this case.

 

Oh, for certain money was the #1 factor in coming here, or more specifically the extra 4th year. The sources I am reading though, (a reporter with inside connection to Ryu’s camp, supposedly legit. It’s in Korean, and google translate will probably be useless, but putting it here for reference sake: https://m.sports.naver.com/column/columnRead.nhn?expertId=531&columnId=88803851) it states that we and the Twins were the only two teams that was willing to commit to that 4th year. While the amount that the Twins offered here is not specifically stated, if it was anything near the ballpark of the asking price of 80 mil, then I really do think that it came to those secondary factors such as the Korean community here etc playing that role of “tiebreaker” of sorts in deciding to come here, especially considering that going to Minnesota would have meant playing in a much more pitcher friendly ballpark, a better team and weaker division opponents. He also has a young, pregnant wife (due next yr) coming with him so it is reasonable to assume that a more comfortable, communicable living environment would have been preferable. LA for sure would have been the first choice; if either Dodgers or Angels offered the 4th year, even at a noticeably lower cost there is likely no chance he would have chose us IMO.

 

Martin was sent packing because he sucked. His skills had degraded, he was blocking a few of our young guys. I can’t recall if we got any salary relief? However, we were paying boo coup dollars from a back loaded contract for a guy who was past his prime.

 

Not a fan of rostering any catcher just because of one pitcher. Hated, hated the Thole/Dickey situation.

 

Back then only 25 roster spots and you were basically playing with a 24 man roster apart from every fifth day since Thole sucked and would not be back up if not for Dickey.

 

Yeah, having a inferior dedicated catcher taking up a roster spot is ridiculous (does anyone even do that for a non-knuckleballer these days? Even for a knuckleballer it is mostly not worth the trouble) In Ryu’s case in LA I’m not sure how often Will Smith caught him, but apparently vet guys like Russ and previously AJ Ellis were much more favourable in the eyes of the Korean fans. Here they probably saw how young Jansen and McGuire are and were worried about their ability to lead/work with pitchers, and granted experience does matter, but right now it doesn’t outweigh the superior ability of both of our current guys on both defensive and offensive side of things.

[Key22]

Great pitchers call their own games. Catcher puts the fingers down and the pitcher nods yes to the one he wants to throw and where. Having a catcher that generally knows what the pitcher wants speeds up the process. It is generally better to have the pitcher choose where and what to throw because they have more confidence in what they're doing.

[DigitalRock]

Not zero: ERA predictors weren’t quite as impressed (3.10 FIP, 3.32 xFIP, 3.77 SIERA) with Ryu’s performance, while his modest 90.6mph fastball finished in the bottom 11th percentile in both fastball velocity and spin rate.

 

Lmao....you are so dumb.

[DigitalRock]

First off you are way too emotional, and rude on top of that.

 

This reminds me of RA Dickey, he just won the Cy Young in the NL, not just a runner up. Then he fnnn sucked!

 

At least in this case no prospect capital, just money, so really no downside.

 

A lot of you guys remind me of a guy who could never get the playboy playmate type girlfriend... Then you find out her boyfriend dumped her and you are thinking WTF why would any dude dump her, she is so HOT and I would give my left nut to be with her.

 

The fact of the matter is the other guy was tired of f***ing her, she started becoming a dead fish in bed and he was moving on to better, younger and hotter chicks.

 

I have real concerns when a pitcher is so good the other big money teams are not competing for him with anymore than a mmm whatever... There was no compensation pick and if no warning signs why???

 

Listen at the end of the day, not really any negatives since only $$ and we are in a good situation dollar wise.

 

The only negative is he sucks but is not injured and we keep on putting him out there because the PR optics of that much $$ and not playing him is not good, while we have young pitchers in our system who don't get a spot.

 

I hope he works out. I think he will be about like Dickey.

 

I am just not jizzing over him... I was hoping we would get better via trade... Still do..

 

Wish I had him on my Fantasy team, according to a lot of you I could trade him for a goldmine.

 

You posted stats to try and show he is a risk to not be good...stats you posted showed the opposite. Compared him to RA Dickey. You proved my point you're a moron.

[Carlos Danger]

You posted stats to try and show he is a risk to not be good...stats you posted showed the opposite. Compared him to RA Dickey. You proved my point you're a moron.

 

Hey Scrooge. Based on your reading comprehension you are a very low IQ individual. The stats were in a reply to a post that said zero evidence he could regress, not to you or in general. You don’t post anything intelligent baseball related on one side of a debate or another.

 

You post, moran, f*** off etc. You are the sober version of drunk Spanky, except I actually like Spanky and he contributes baseball related content.

 

People are using the fact he finished high in Cy Young voting and that his age and velocity don’t matter because his stuff ages well.

 

My point about Dickey is that he won the Cy Young, not just a runner up, and I heard the same thing about Dickey and he didn’t work out so well.

 

Try getting laid or something Dude, you are a very angry poster.

 

It is Christmas, we are supposed to spread goodwill and cheer.

 

Merry Christmas!

[BTS]

BJMB is popping off on Christmas Day

[EMK19]

I just remembered that I had taken a few pics at Ryu's only previous appearance here in Toronto; I believe this was in 2013; the pics suck cuz I probably had an iPhone 5 or something back then, sitting in 500 level, with some at max zoom... but it was notable for some spectacular dusk scenery with the roof wide open (maybe it was a sign):

 

 

The following pic will likely become the norm in Ryu starts:

 

 

I remember our fans got pissed because the Korean fans kept chanting "Ryu! Hyun! Jin!", and some mistook it as "U! S! A!"... lol.

 

Pretty sure he walked off with a no-decision on this one... though I forgot what the final result was.

[Pendleton]

[jays4life19]

That photo just screams professional athlete.

[max silver]

That photo just screams professional athlete.

 

I'd say it screams professional eating contest winner. The chick is hot though so it's easy to ignore the big bastard in the center of the photo.

[Pendleton]