Ryu to Jays!!!

[Brownie19]

That type of trade, wouldn't Wil Myers be the better target? Padres have the stacked MiLB system Boston lacks. Plus, Myers is young and not a major injury risk like Price.

 

Yeah but Wil Myers f***ing sucks. Price is still good.

[glory]

[Deadpool]

Now that we got Ryu can we all stop pretending that Tanner Roark is serviceable?

 

He's a serviceable #3. Which is what he likely is after May/June this year.

 

 

This is interesting, I wonder how much extra cash Rogers pockets from this... Interesting bit that hadn't occurred to me.

[Muck Bartinez]

 

That must be worth a pretty decent amount to Rogers just based on the exposure that the Jays would get.

[Pendleton]

 

Perhaps could one day help the Jays in landing future Korean FAs

[Amok]

Give us Betances now!

 

I do think a price trade might be doable. You can get the money right so it helps both teams (if BOS is as tight for cash as it sort of appesrs)

 

Price will be 35 in August. He has good when has been able to pitch but that hasn't been often. Even if the Red Sox give the Jays 12 million a year that is still 20 million to a questionable old pitcher for the next 3 years.

 

2020 in my mind is still a rebuilding year. 2021 You have Paxton as a free agent, maybe add someone like Odorizzi also. Price on the roster will limit the options the Jays have for other free agents.

[Amok]

He's a serviceable #3. Which is what he likely is after May/June this year.

 

 

 

This is interesting, I wonder how much extra cash Rogers pockets from this... Interesting bit that hadn't occurred to me.

 

Cool, it can't be more than a few million.

 

lol so the Blue Jays with Canada and South Korea combined now have 90 million TV market, take that New York's little 20 million TV market.

[tazsub3]

I didn't see Hurls post until now, since yours was before his. Feel free to take it to the thread he suggested.

 

No stress mate, we can agree to disagree and not worth debating. I do accept that others might have differant opinions then mine, and that does not make them wrong and me right.

 

For the first time in a few years i feel happy of a move this management has done, and i guess better we enjoy that topic

[EMK19]

As a Korean-Canadian I had been somewhat following Ryu since his Korean League/National Team days and quite stoked to see him as a Blue Jay. But of course, I'm a Jays fan first and foremost (since '89) and I do honestly did have some skepticism on whether he is really a right fit for us... as a 32-year old, injury-riddled, soft-tossing balls-in-play type pitcher (that's gonna be fun as hell to watch with our current infield...) he was not someone I expected to see playing here in AL East and I actually fully expected him to sign for a west-coast team. Apparently neither Dodgers or Angels wanted to give him 4 years though and that was the key reason why he chose in the end... well, I'm at least pleased that the FO finally decided to take a risk and make an effort to slowly get back into contention. Hopefully Ryu can lead the rotation well enough until Pearson is fully ready to take over that spot.

 

His injury history of course is a big question mark; which goes for all Asian pitchers really, we most likely won't see 200 innings and should probably at best expect around 180 like he did this year (which was for the first time in his MLB career since his debut season, and he got hit hard in August before given some extra rest in early September and finishing off decently). His velocity has also decreased after surgery (used to clock 92-94 but is now around 88-92 range), but as he does have elite control hopefully that will be less of an issue. His changeup is excellent but his curve is below par and he hasn't really effectively mastered his cutter yet; he will need to continue to work on his 3-4 pitches more if he is going to survive in AL East IMO.

 

Good thing with him is that he will likely keep us in ball games if he's healthy; he is usually reliable for a quality start and blowouts with him out there are pretty rare from what I've seen. This year I think only starts where he got seriously rocked were vs. the Rockies in Coors field, the Yankees and the Braves, which can happen to any pitcher really. He also has a pretty strong mental approach to the game and has a knack of getting out of Jams. In the Korean league he played for a terrible last-place team with a god awful defence behind him (kinda like how ours are currently), and still ended up being the best pitcher in the league and coming to MLB. So in that sense, I liken him to someone like a David Wells or Jimmy Key when he's at top of his game; more realistically though he'll probably end up performing more like how Marco Estrada or Mark Buehrle did with us, which isn't exactly an Ace type we all want, but hopefully it will do for a few years before we get our true ace, whether that's Pearson or someone else through a trade or something.

Edited December 23, 2019 by EMK19

[Pendleton]

[Carlos Danger]

It's funny that guys who wanted this FO to piss or get off the pot are now complaining the piss may be a little to pungent for them

 

Wasn’t me. Not a big proponent of FA market and for guys over 30, especially pitchers.

[Spanky99]

Off the top of my head, only the BJ Ryan contract did not return surplus value.

 

And that was due to injury.

[Spanky99]

So wait...a four year deal with a full no trade clause. So the guy actually WANTS to be here for the full term of the contract and didn't just sign for the heck of it because the Jays offered the 4th year. I wonder how Team Krylian and the rest of the self-hating Canadians explain this one. Oh yeah, non-American. Well last I checked the percentage of players comprising the redneck MAGA demographic who put Canada on the same terms as Burkina Faso in the "foreign" department is in decline. So the Jays will be alright.

 

A limited no trade clause apparently, but I get what you're saying.

[Spanky99]

Yeah but Wil Myers f***ing sucks. Price is still good.

 

lol...

[The Iceman]

I’d say Ryu is a rare case where we didn’t have to overpay, but its 100% because he isn’t American. With American players, we definitely have to overpay

 

4th year for a soon to be 33 year old is the overpay

Put your hand up if you think Ryu will be worth $20 million in the 4th year of this deal.

 

I am real happy we have a legit top of the rotation arm.

I am really happy a major FA chose us, changes the outlook for the team.

In no way do i think this will turn out well in the end. Too injury prone to project this positively. Hope I get proven wrong. It is only money. If this was the best FA they could get welcome to Toronto Mr Ryu.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah but Wil Myers f***ing sucks. Price is still good.

 

If the Padres pair Myers with Patino, you take it.

[Spanky99]

As a Korean-Canadian I had been somewhat following Ryu since his Korean League/National Team days and quite stoked to see him as a Blue Jay. But of course, I'm a Jays fan first and foremost (since '89) and I do honestly did have some skepticism on whether he is really a right fit for us... as a 32-year old, injury-riddled, soft-tossing balls-in-play type pitcher (that's gonna be fun as hell to watch with our current infield...) he was not someone I expected to see playing here in AL East and I actually fully expected him to sign for a west-coast team. Apparently neither Dodgers or Angels wanted to give him 4 years though and that was the key reason why he chose in the end... well, I'm at least pleased that the FO finally decided to take a risk and make an effort to slowly get back into contention. Hopefully Ryu can lead the rotation well enough until Pearson is fully ready to take over that spot.

 

His injury history of course is a big question mark; which goes for all Asian pitchers really, we most likely won't see 200 innings and should probably at best expect around 180 like he did this year (which was for the first time in his MLB career since his debut season, and he got hit hard in August before given some extra rest in early September and finishing off decently). His velocity has also decreased after surgery (used to clock 92-94 but is now around 88-92 range), but as he does have elite control hopefully that will be less of an issue. His changeup is excellent but his curve is below par and he hasn't really effectively mastered his cutter yet; he will need to continue to work on his 3-4 pitches more if he is going to survive in AL East IMO.

 

Good thing with him is that he will likely keep us in ball games if he's healthy; he is usually reliable for a quality start and blowouts with him out there are pretty rare from what I've seen. This year I think only starts where he got seriously rocked were vs. the Rockies in Coors field, the Yankees and the Braves, which can happen to any pitcher really. He also has a pretty strong mental approach to the game and has a knack of getting out of Jams. In the Korean league he played for a terrible last-place team with a god awful defence behind him (kinda like how ours are currently), and still ended up being the best pitcher in the league and coming to MLB. So in that sense, I liken him to someone like a David Wells or Jimmy Key when he's at top of his game; more realistically though he'll probably end up performing more like how Marco Estrada or Mark Buehrle did with us, which isn't exactly an Ace type we all want, but hopefully it will do for a few years before we get our true ace, whether that's Pearson or someone else through a trade or something.

 

...

While Pearson may be the ace of the future, Ryu is now firmly the ace of the present. The lefty finished second in NL Cy Young Award voting last season on the heels of a league-best 2.32 ERA and 1.2 BB/9, as well as a 6.79 K/BB rate, 8.0 K/9, and 50.4% grounder rate. ERA predictors weren’t quite as impressed (3.10 FIP, 3.32 xFIP, 3.77 SIERA) with Ryu’s performance, while his modest 90.6mph fastball finished in the bottom 11th percentile in both fastball velocity and spin rate.

 

On the plus side of the Statcast coin, Ryu was also one of the league’s best pitchers in limiting hard-hit balls and exit velocity, and his .263 wOBA was only slightly lower than his .281 xwOBA. Despite the lack of fastball velocity, Ryu still had the 26th most effective heater of any qualified pitcher in the sport according to Fangraphs’ Pitch Value metrics, while his changeup was one of the ten most effective pitches in all of baseball in 2019.

 

Perhaps most importantly, Ryu also tossed 182 2/3 innings last year, his highest workload since his 2013 debut season in MLB and the first time he’d topped even the 126 2/3 inning plateau since 2014. Ryu had only a couple of minimal injured list stints for minor neck and groin soreness in 2019, as opposed to the much more serious setbacks that plagued him earlier in his career. Shoulder and elbow surgeries limited Ryu to just a single game in 2015-16, he missed close to three months in 2018 due to a torn groin, and IL stints for foot and hip problems limited him to 126 2/3 IP in 2017.

[DigitalRock]

4th year for a soon to be 33 year old is the overpay

Put your hand up if you think Ryu will be worth $20 million in the 4th year of this deal.

 

I am real happy we have a legit top of the rotation arm.

I am really happy a major FA chose us, changes the outlook for the team.

In no way do i think this will turn out well in the end. Too injury prone to project this positively. Hope I get proven wrong. It is only money. If this was the best FA they could get welcome to Toronto Mr Ryu.

 

Nonsense...you can say that about nearly all of big FA contracts.

[Jimcanuck]

As a Korean-Canadian I had been somewhat following Ryu since his Korean League/National Team days and quite stoked to see him as a Blue Jay. But of course, I'm a Jays fan first and foremost (since '89) and I do honestly did have some skepticism on whether he is really a right fit for us... as a 32-year old, injury-riddled, soft-tossing balls-in-play type pitcher (that's gonna be fun as hell to watch with our current infield...) he was not someone I expected to see playing here in AL East and I actually fully expected him to sign for a west-coast team. Apparently neither Dodgers or Angels wanted to give him 4 years though and that was the key reason why he chose in the end... well, I'm at least pleased that the FO finally decided to take a risk and make an effort to slowly get back into contention. Hopefully Ryu can lead the rotation well enough until Pearson is fully ready to take over that spot.

 

His injury history of course is a big question mark; which goes for all Asian pitchers really, we most likely won't see 200 innings and should probably at best expect around 180 like he did this year (which was for the first time in his MLB career since his debut season, and he got hit hard in August before given some extra rest in early September and finishing off decently). His velocity has also decreased after surgery (used to clock 92-94 but is now around 88-92 range), but as he does have elite control hopefully that will be less of an issue. His changeup is excellent but his curve is below par and he hasn't really effectively mastered his cutter yet; he will need to continue to work on his 3-4 pitches more if he is going to survive in AL East IMO.

 

Good thing with him is that he will likely keep us in ball games if he's healthy; he is usually reliable for a quality start and blowouts with him out there are pretty rare from what I've seen. This year I think only starts where he got seriously rocked were vs. the Rockies in Coors field, the Yankees and the Braves, which can happen to any pitcher really. He also has a pretty strong mental approach to the game and has a knack of getting out of Jams. In the Korean league he played for a terrible last-place team with a god awful defence behind him (kinda like how ours are currently), and still ended up being the best pitcher in the league and coming to MLB. So in that sense, I liken him to someone like a David Wells or Jimmy Key when he's at top of his game; more realistically though he'll probably end up performing more like how Marco Estrada or Mark Buehrle did with us, which isn't exactly an Ace type we all want, but hopefully it will do for a few years before we get our true ace, whether that's Pearson or someone else through a trade or something.

 

you should post more

[bendera3]

Perhaps could one day help the Jays in landing future Korean FAs

 

I mean weren't the Jays one of the first organizations to have a firm hold in the DR and we've been fairly active down there for close to 40 years?

[EMK19]

Perhaps could one day help the Jays in landing future Korean FAs

 

Unfortunately the domestic talent pool in the KBO has become more dry over the last few years... Kwang Hyun Kim, that fella the Cards signed recently, is probably the last true decent talent that will be available from there for the next little while. There's one more semi-decent soft-tossing lefty due on the market for next year (Hyun-Jong Yang), but it's not someone we'd really be interested in. If anything I think there's probably gonna be more attention paid to the former MLBers who revive their career over there, like Eric Thames and Josh Lindblom (btw, interesting tidbit for Jays fans: Our old hopeful Deck McGuire went there last year and actually managed to pitch a no-hitter, but fizzled and was released by mid season... poor guy).

[EMK19]

you should post more

 

I'll definitely try to be more active in posting this year. I've actually been away since late 2015 as I had to go to Europe (Poland) for work and only came back home a few months ago... more or less missed all of our 2016 run because of that

 

Btw, Korean fans already have some photoshops out (courtesy mlbpark.com)

 

 

Pop quiz, can anyone identify the original players in these pics? lol

[Jimcanuck]

Hopefully the last reference to Deck McGuire on these pages. Some things are best forgotten.

[The Iceman]

I'll definitely try to be more active in posting this year. I've actually been away since late 2015 as I had to go to Europe (Poland) for work and only came back home a few months ago... more or less missed all of our 2016 run because of that

 

Btw, Korean fans already have some photoshops out (courtesy mlbpark.com)

 

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Pop quiz, can anyone identify the original players in these pics? lol

 

Pretty sure Pillar running

Guess Jimmy Key pitching

Not sure first pic

[Stangstag]

Pretty sure Pillar running

Guess Jimmy Key pitching

Not sure first pic

 

Lol what how would it be jimmy key? It’s clearly the new uniforms, so that dates it as 2012 or newer. And if you look at the field, there’s a dirt infield so that dates it 2016 or newer. I’d guess Borucki

 

EDIT: pretty sure the first pic is Pannone. Lefty and looks like #45 on the glove.

[ValiantJaysFan]

I like this signing a lot, sorely needed win for Shatkins. But, hope they are still pursuing another tier 3-4 pitcher.

 

Roark is a decent 3-4 spot pitcher but we need a strong #2 behind Ryu or even a #1 in front of Ryu before this team is back to playoff contention. I don't feel like Price is the right guy any more, he's really struggled in Boston. But it's clear whoever it is will have to come via trade.

 

Anyway, this is encouraging because obviously they feel like they are close to contention. The Yankees are going to be back to being ridiculous again with the lineup and staff they've got but the wildcard is definitely within reach. Maybe they can see how they're doing and make a trade around the deadline if they're within reach, and if not then next winter they can make a big splash or two and really get us there.

[Terminator]

Ryu is getting a straight 20 mil per season. Seems like a good deal for the team moving forward instead of the usual escalation.

[Jimcanuck]

I like this signing a lot, sorely needed win for Shatkins. But, hope they are still pursuing another tier 3-4 pitcher.

 

Roark is a decent 3-4 spot pitcher but we need a strong #2 behind Ryu or even a #1 in front of Ryu before this team is back to playoff contention. I don't feel like Price is the right guy any more, he's really struggled in Boston. But it's clear whoever it is will have to come via trade.

 

Anyway, this is encouraging because obviously they feel like they are close to contention. The Yankees are going to be back to being ridiculous again with the lineup and staff they've got but the wildcard is definitely within reach. Maybe they can see how they're doing and make a trade around the deadline if they're within reach, and if not then next winter they can make a big splash or two and really get us there.

 

Even with the Roark and Ryu signings, IMO Shatkins is still very much taking the build from within / player development approach to a winner.

[Deadpool]

I like this signing a lot, sorely needed win for Shatkins. But, hope they are still pursuing another tier 3-4 pitcher.

 

Roark is a decent 3-4 spot pitcher but we need a strong #2 behind Ryu or even a #1 in front of Ryu before this team is back to playoff contention. I don't feel like Price is the right guy any more, he's really struggled in Boston. But it's clear whoever it is will have to come via trade.

 

Anyway, this is encouraging because obviously they feel like they are close to contention. The Yankees are going to be back to being ridiculous again with the lineup and staff they've got but the wildcard is definitely within reach. Maybe they can see how they're doing and make a trade around the deadline if they're within reach, and if not then next winter they can make a big splash or two and really get us there.

 

I think we have to really hope that Pearson develops into that #2 pretty quickly. Personally, I think he's shown enough to suggest that he will get there for us.

[Laika]

This is Molly Knight. Nothing groundbreaking but a good summation:

 

A devastating shoulder injury led Ryu to make only one start between 2014 and 2017, and most of us who watched him every day for the first two years of his career wondered if we’d ever seen him throw another pitch again. Shoulder injuries are not like elbow ligament snaps. They suck the life out of fastballs and end careers. Which is why it was frankly shocking when Ryu not only fought all the way back from two missed seasons but pitched better than he ever had before. In 2018, he was limited to just 82 innings, but his ERA for those games sat at 1.82. Ryu gets hurt a lot, but he’s this miracle unicorn of a sports fan’s dream in that, when he does take the ball, he almost never sucks.

 

The Dodgers must have figured that handing a four-year contract to a guy who will probably miss one of those years was a risk that didn’t fit their win-now club. The Blue Jays probably figured, heck, if we can get even 2 1/2 years of Ryu at top form, this deal is more than worth it. And they’ll be right.

 

The American League East is the toughest division in all of baseball, and it’s doubtful anyone could keep their ERA below 3 while dipping in those piranha-infested waters. (Pedro Martinez isn’t walking through that door.) But if Ryu can give the Jays a few seasons of pitching in the 3s to help anchor a rotation that flanks the most exciting young core of position players in the majors, they had to jump at it. The upside is too enormous to ignore. The price is cheap compared to the Gerrit Coles, Stephen Strasburgs and even the Zack Wheelers of the world.