Ryu to Jays!!!

[flafson]

I’m shocked that we actually got pitchers, didn’t have any trust left in the front office...

[Ex Player]

This just totally made my day :D

[BigCecil]

Was shocked to hear this last night. In the am I read the rumour and quickly dismissed it. I’m a mix of excited plus a bit of a pit in the stomach. If he can stay relatively healthy he is a big add for quality stability. Beats Edwin Jackson. It’s a gutsy signing. We had lots of $ room for this and it’s got to make our young players feel more a little more confident about the org stepping up. Merry Christmas all!

[saskjayfan]

He may have never been in play. Might have just been the Jays way of forcing a decision out of Boras/Ryu, and it worked pretty quickly.

 

I feel like this could be the case. I think the jays put the offer out a few days ago and boras was trying to get a match or better from someone else.

[Brownie19]

I'm pretty sure this signing increases the projected win total to ~81. Plus whatever Yamaguchi brings to the table.

 

Sign Cesar Hernandez, Dellin Betances, and one of Collin McHugh/Alex Wood/Taijuan Walker/Jimmer Nelson and basically stick a fork in the offseason.

 

I'd honestly love to sign all 5 of those pitchers...

[Maico450]

I could agree the Martin signing was OK. We got 1 very good season, 1 OK season, 2 mediocre seasons, and dumped him off before the 5th season.

My biggest problem with signing the upper echelon players, is that you are forced to overpay for the majority of the contract.

Granted this year the Jays have a surplus of money, so it is of no concern. But Martin was clogging the payroll, along with Tulo of coarse, in his later seasons.

I want to reiterate that I am happy with this signing now, time will tell on the outcome.

[glory]

How many of them worked out?

 

Martin and Burnett worked out. Ryan was a huge bust.

[Carlos Danger]

lmao

 

You don't need to be Spiderman to sense the risks with Ryu. It's all right there on the open. He is a big injury risk, kind of in the same realm as Josh Johnson before he became a Blue Jay.

 

Arguably the Dodgers have enough talented SP depth that risking money with Ryu just does not make sense for them in particular.

 

They also aren't perfect. Friedman traded Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields, right.

 

Not just injury risk. What will be a double gut punch will be if he stays healthy and just gets rocked every start..

 

Seems like limited no-trade vs total no trade which is good.

[Brownie19]

Not just injury risk. What will be a double gut punch will be if he stays healthy and just gets rocked every start..

Seems like limited no-trade vs total no trade which is good.

 

Seriously?

[Rusty_Savage]

I could agree the Martin signing was OK. We got 1 very good season, 1 OK season, 2 mediocre seasons, and dumped him off before the 5th season.

My biggest problem with signing the upper echelon players, is that you are forced to overpay for the majority of the contract.

Granted this year the Jays have a surplus of money, so it is of no concern. But Martin was clogging the payroll, along with Tulo of coarse, in his later seasons.

I want to reiterate that I am happy with this signing now, time will tell on the outcome.

 

There's still no risk in the contract because the core hitters are all so young that you can afford to over pay for a SP like Ryu. He was the 4th best starter available and the Jays were at 67 win team. It's a decent get a decent money. And if he blows up they have the (cheap) depth that you can bury him at the bottom of the rotation or bp.

 

Hopefully it's structured so he's only paid 10 to 15 million the last year and they could eat half the money and unload him on a Pacific coast team

[Laika]

Not just injury risk. What will be a double gut punch will be if he stays healthy and just gets rocked every start..

 

Seems like limited no-trade vs total no trade which is good.

 

So you’re worried that Ryu will suck?

 

Okay. Funny, but okay. Zero evidence to support the idea that he’s not good.

[Rusty_Savage]

Seriously?

 

It's funny that guys who wanted this FO to piss or get off the pot are now complaining the piss may be a little to pungent for them

[Deadpool]

Not just injury risk. What will be a double gut punch will be if he stays healthy and just gets rocked every start..

 

Seems like limited no-trade vs total no trade which is good.

 

I mean, if Ryu were to be healthy all season and get rocked every start that would be incredibly shocking. But yes, I suppose it is possible, just like it is possible for Cole, Wheeler, Strassberg etc. to become total garbage with no warning signs of that happening.

[BTS]

How many of them worked out?

 

Martin and Burnett

[DigitalRock]

Adding Edwin would be the cherry on top!

 

f*** that, I'd rather look elsewhere. Great signing team looking better next season.

[DigitalRock]

Not just injury risk. What will be a double gut punch will be if he stays healthy and just gets rocked every start..

 

Seems like limited no-trade vs total no trade which is good.

 

Shut the f*** up you moron. Jesus some of you just want to whine over everything.

[Grant77]

Largest contracts to a free agent, #BlueJays history

 

Russell Martin 2015 5-Years / $82 M

Hyun-Jin Ryu 2019 4-Years / $80 M

A.J. Burnett 2005 5-Years / $55 M

B.J. Ryan 2005 5-Years / $47 M

 

Doesn't anyone else find this a little sad...that the 4th largest market in North America could only muster up these kinds of historic FA signings?

 

Jack Morris, Roger Clemens, Dave Winfield, Paul Molitor.

 

Atkins said it well the other day when questioned on whether FA's want to come to Toronto. To paraphrase him, the players had no concerns about the country and just wanted to know how close we were to winning. The Ryu deal moves us closer to that goal and when we reach it, the players will want to be here, just like the free agents in the early 90's did.

[Brownie19]

I'm just so happy we can somewhat eliminate the narrative that the Jays won't spend money and that nobody will sign in TO.

[DigitalRock]

I'm just so happy we can somewhat eliminate the narrative that the Jays won't spend money and that nobody will sign in TO.

 

In fairness I dont think people mean absolutely no one...but it is a challenge to get some guys to want to play in Canada.

[BTS]

I'm just so happy we can somewhat eliminate the narrative that the Jays won't spend money and that nobody will sign in TO.

 

There isn't really any evidence that Toronto has to drastically overpay to attract FA talent, and this signing will help crush that narrative. Someone was on here the other day talking about how market value on Ryu was probably 4/80 so Toronto would have to go to like 5/105 to get him.

 

I don't doubt that 4/80 was the biggest offer, but I don't think it exceeds the runner up by more than your typical FA signing.

[Pendleton]

Do you guys believe this signing will affect the way the Jays plan to attack the remainder of this off season, in terms of being more aggressive in pursuing further immediate help?

[Laika]

Do you guys believe this signing will affect the way the Jays plan to attack the remainder of this off season, in terms of being more aggressive in pursuing further immediate help?

 

It should a little bit. A guy like EE, for example, or some RP additions, make more sense the higher a team is on the win curve

[Deadpool]

Do you guys believe this signing will affect the way the Jays plan to attack the remainder of this off season, in terms of being more aggressive in pursuing further immediate help?

 

I think it means Giles is a Jay until at least the trade deadline. They're going to need to add some pen pieces that are more than just "guy to hopefully flip at the deadline" now, also.

[BTS]

Do you guys believe this signing will affect the way the Jays plan to attack the remainder of this off season, in terms of being more aggressive in pursuing further immediate help?

 

I think there's certainly more incentive to shore up the roster. It probably makes them more likely to hold on Giles. It should also make them take a harder look at bullpen upgrades like Stammen, Betances, and McHugh. Maybe a legit bench piece or two.

[Stangstag]

There isn't really any evidence that Toronto has to drastically overpay to attract FA talent, and this signing will help crush that narrative. Someone was on here the other day talking about how market value on Ryu was probably 4/80 so Toronto would have to go to like 5/105 to get him.

 

I don't doubt that 4/80 was the biggest offer, but I don't think it exceeds the runner up by more than your typical FA signing.

 

I’d say Ryu is a rare case where we didn’t have to overpay, but its 100% because he isn’t American. With American players, we definitely have to overpay

[Ray]

If they had enough interest in Moustakas to go to his house to pitch him, they’re probably also contemplating another bat.

 

The team could use a good on base guy given their dismal OBP last season. If they sign Cesar Hernandez and Dellin Betances, I would unequivocally say that’s a fantastic offseason.

[glory]

Yeah I don't think Giles is moved now until July. Of course if a team offers something great then they'll do it, but no need to dump him for anything short of a really good deal, which may not be out there this winter.

[Ex Player]

The only thing Ryu has going against him is his age. He'll be 33 when the season starts.

Lets hope Jays can get at least 2 or 3 good years out of him though. The good thing is he doesnt rely on his fastball as his out-pitch, so a drop in velocity wont hit him as hard as it would for a power pitcher

[jaysblue]

Off the top of my head, only the BJ Ryan contract did not return surplus value.

 

Ryan was electric in his first season with the Jays and then sucked. He bounced back in 2008, but even then didn't look like his old self.

 

Never a big fan of giving BP arms long-term contracts.

[Krylian]

Not in this moment. If they are willing to give Ryu 4/80 coming off a 95 loss season, I would imagine they will spend in a very healthy/normal way once the team is very competitive. It's all good.

 

I mean they've run a top 10 MLB payroll very recently and in the WS years they were at the top of the league. Payroll is really not a concern to me. Free Agent attraction is a separate, semi-related matter.

 

Leave it to you to post something like this today though, lol.

 

I'm just looking at the body of work as it pertains to FA signings.