Maico450

You mean some team like the Jays, that appreciate his ability to pitch regularly in long relief, works for $600G a year, and has 5 years of service time left?

Why would you want to move Gaviglio? The guy does a good job at playing his position. Unlike several others who don't.

Why would you say that Vlad is our best defensive 1B. Have you seen him play that position. Personally I like Rowdys hands at 1B.

Jays would have to get 5 better guys thru ST, healthy??

Imagine him coming into the bottom of the 9th, attempting to close the game out. He stares in at the batter, who erupts into a fit of laughter, and forfeits the game.

I was at the final game in Detroit in 1987. Tanana won it 1-0 over Jimmy Key eliminating the Jays. I live 40 miles East of Detroit, and back then We had a huge rivalry with both them and the Indians. Now we hardly play either team. Its like it does not really matter what those teams do. However, now the Redsox/Yankee rivalry is even more intense. And it gives great satisfaction when we beat them. 2020 is going to be a fun year....

Getting the pick for Smoak, and then signing Shaw for just $$, was a great move.

Hudson still available. A 2/8mm may get him. Otherwise, the offseason is a long ways from over. I think we need a couple of good bullpen arms. I think we should hang on to Giles until there is a clear view of how the season progresses. We may be surprised.

I seemed to have forgotten this as well.....https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/02/20/The-Toronto-Blue-Jays-today-signed-pitcher-Bill-Caudill/7942477723600/

Yeh your right. I forgot Gillick traded for him.

Hey, Before I wrote my post I knew I would catch some flak. But I stand by my post. One of the first stats I look at when appraising a player is War. That's what jumped out at me, was how high Caudills War was. I think that this particular situation, was an example that it is not perfect. It does not always show REAL LIFE. It is however an extremely meaningful stat in the majority of cases.

Yeh, I know how much you have been a fan of Bill Caudills over the years.

What I,m saying is that you cant just look at WAR as the tell all about performance. Sometimes it is misleading.

-0.3 was Caudill 1986 WAR. Still way too high.

I observed that Ryu was the 1st Boras client signed by the Jays since Bill Caudill. Brought back distant memories. Back in 1984 the Jays were finally coming of age. They had a plus young lineup, Bell, Barfield, Moseby, Mullinex, Fernandez, Garcia, Upshaw, Whitt and top rung SP staff, Stieb, Alexander, Leal, Clancy, and Gott. But their relief core was terrible. They had a bunch of middle relievers, but nobody who could come in and shut the door in the 9th. So Gillick made the plunge into free agency and signed one of the supposedly top closers available. Bill Caudill had just come off a season with Oakland, and had 36 saves. Problem solved, right? 1985 season rolls out, and Caudill is a disaster. Total inconsistency in 9th. Save one game, lose one. Constant blown saves and losses. He gets reassigned as a middle reliever, and mop up guy. Comes in when game is NOT on the line. Gillick had however made a better move early in the season claiming Tom Henke from Texas as free agent compensation. By mid season Henke was up with the team and immediately became one of the top closers ever. So I look at Caudills and Henkes WAR for 1985. Caudill 1.0 war and Henke 1.1 war. How can that be? Two pitchers in MLB brought in to do the same job with same team, one an overwhelming success, and one an unmitigated disaster. I know most of you were not around back then, Spanky was, but here is a perfect example of how misleading WAR can be, when looking into past performances.