What can we get for JA Happ?

[glory]

The score app suggests (theoretically) that Happ goes to the Yankees for Chance Adams, Everson Pereira and Juan De Paula

 

I could see Cashman moving Adams or Tate for Happ. Sheffield is probably out of reach. I think you'd be happy with the package above and then try to sign Happ as a free agent in the winter, but hopefully with more teams in the running for Happ the Jays can squeeze out a better offer somewhere.

[Stoneyen]

I’m really not too familiar with other teams farm systems outside of the top 20 or so overall prospects. What do you guys think the Jays would have to give up hypothetically for Happ from their own farm system? I think that would help some of us gauge his value.

[THANOS]

I’m really not too familiar with other teams farm systems outside of the top 20 or so overall prospects. What do you guys think the Jays would have to give up hypothetically for Happ from their own farm system? I think that would help some of us gauge his value.

 

Biggio and Borucki maybe?

[Ray]

We won't get Frazier for Happ. 2-3 B or C level prospects is way more likely than an A prospect for Happ.

 

Fair enough. And if you’re the Yankees, I think you’d much rather give up a package of Clint Frazier and Chance Adams to get someone like a Michael Fulmer. Might as well go all the way instead of paying for a rental.

[Ray]

It’s a shame Nick Solak is gone from the Yankees. I think we might have been able to get him plus another good piece for Happ.

[burlingtonbandit]

Jays should trade Solarte as well. Switch hitter with ability to play 2nd and 3rd with another year of team control should be worth something decent.

 

Plus that opens a spot to bring Gurriel up from the minors.

[BlueRocky]

We won't get Frazier for Happ. 2-3 B or C level prospects is way more likely than an A prospect for Happ.

This is probably the Yankee’s offer, but it will depend on other bids too. It helps that out of all the buyers, the Yankees are likely the most desperate for rotation help. I don’t see Frazier straight up. Sheffield is probably off limits. But guys like Abreu, Adams, Acevedo, Tate plus a lower prospect could be on the table.

 

I do like the Braves pitching more, but the Yankees are likely to bid higher. And It’s not hard to see why they’re interested—starting pitching could be the difference between winning the AL east vs the 1st wild card spot with how tight the race is with the Red Sox. This could also be a postseason matchup where LHP can make a difference for NY. They might even need to add more than one starter, and it doesn’t hurt they have deep pockets and a great farm.

 

The Braves could obviously use Happ and a healthy Donaldson, and they’re currently clinging onto the NL east with two teams in the rear view mirror. They also have so many pitching prospects, losing one or two won’t make a dent in their system. But I’m not sure how competitive the Phillies and Nationals will be down the stretch.

Edited June 19, 2018 by BlueRocky

[Brownie19]

Fair enough. And if you’re the Yankees, I think you’d much rather give up a package of Clint Frazier and Chance Adams to get someone like a Michael Fulmer. Might as well go all the way instead of paying for a rental.

 

Exactly. Rebuilding teams now understand that good young players who are controllable carry the most value and if you suck - there's no need to hang onto those guys through the lean years. If you're going to part ways with a top prospect - get someone with years of control. Rentals are typically an awful use of assets.

 

Realistically, the Jays should probably look to deal Stro, Sanchez. Those are the guys who are going to net you Frasier. The return for rentals is not going to stock our farm system with top prospects like it would have 5-10 years ago.

[MarcoSanchez]

Why trade Happ to the Yankees if we are only looking at B prospects. I rather trade him to the Mariners. As a Jays fan, I dont want the Yankees to win.

[jays4life19]

Why trade Happ to the Yankees if we are only looking at B prospects. I rather trade him to the Mariners. As a Jays fan, I dont want the Yankees to win.

 

Good point.

 

We could get all those blue chip Mariners prospects instead. Genius

[BlueRocky]

I don’t think either Stroman or Sanchez are untouchable. But ideally their value needs to recover before you deal them— this might be a more realistic discussion in the offseason or trade deadline 2019. If Stroman was pitching well, he should net more than just Frazier. No matter what people think of the Stroshow, he’s a proven young MLB frontline starter with control and AL East tested. Frazier is still an unproven commodity.

 

Unfortunately the phone won’t ring much for his 7.71 ERA and recent injury. If he comes back and dominates before July 31, things could change. But chances are he is staying put.

 

They definitely need to listen to offers for anybody on the major league roster. Solarte is near his peak value now and could play multiple positions.

[BlueRocky]

Why trade Happ to the Yankees if we are only looking at B prospects. I rather trade him to the Mariners. As a Jays fan, I dont want the Yankees to win.

 

It’s more like getting an A- prospect instead of an A+ guy. Yankee’s B prospects would be a top 5 guy in half the major league farms.

 

The Mariners system is so bad, I’m not certain if you put their top 3 guys in the Yankee’s system they would even make their top 10 list.

[Slade]

I don’t think either Stroman or Sanchez are untouchable. But ideally their value needs to recover before you deal them— this might be a more realistic discussion in the offseason or trade deadline 2019. If Stroman was pitching well, he should net more than just Frazier. No matter what people think of the Stroshow, he’s a proven young MLB frontline starter with control and AL East tested. Frazier is still an unproven commodity.

 

Unfortunately the phone won’t ring much for his 7.71 ERA and recent injury. If he comes back and dominates before July 31, things could change. But chances are he is staying put.

 

They definitely need to listen to offers for anybody on the major league roster. Solarte is near his peak value now and could play multiple positions.

 

 

I'm sure this front office would love to trade Stoman but not in any rush with 2 years of control.

[Krylian]

Why trade Happ to the Yankees if we are only looking at B prospects. I rather trade him to the Mariners. As a Jays fan, I dont want the Yankees to win.

 

Grow up and get real.

 

If the Jays aren't going to win then it really doesn't matter who does. The point is to make the Jays better. If dealing with the Yankees does that then you do it 10 times out of 10.

[John_Havok]

It’s more like getting an A- prospect instead of an A+ guy. Yankee’s B prospects would be a top 5 guy in half the major league farms.

 

The Mariners system is so bad, I’m not certain if you put their top 3 guys in the Yankee’s system they would even make their top 10 list.

 

You're kinda mixing up prospect talk. B guys in the Yankees org are still gonna be B guys in any other org.

 

Where they rank in a top 10 list doesn't matter

[John_Havok]

Grow up and get real.

 

If the Jays aren't going to win then it really doesn't matter who does. The point is to make the Jays better. If dealing with the Yankees does that then you do it 10 times out of 10.

 

Of course, but because you're gonna be playing them next year with guys you traded to them(assuming it's not rentals being dealt), you want to squeeze something extra out of them, because you're making them better too

[Krylian]

Of course, but because you're gonna be playing them next year with guys you traded to them(assuming it's not rentals being dealt), you want to squeeze something extra out of them, because you're making them better too

 

Happ is an FA after this season. If he signs with the Yankees for 2019 he could've done that anyway regardless of where he finishes the season.

[Boxcar]

Why trade Happ to the Yankees if we are only looking at B prospects. I rather trade him to the Mariners. As a Jays fan, I dont want the Yankees to win.

 

I agree, I'd rather spite the Yankees than get a good return. I mean, Happ is a FA after the season so they could just sign him in November anyway, but f*** trading him to them now!

[Spanky99]

I agree, I'd rather spite the Yankees than get a good return. I mean, Happ is a FA after the season so they could just sign him in November anyway, but f*** trading him to them now!

 

Dogg.

[Boxcar]

Dogg.

 

God dammit. You are like a truffle pig for trolls, man. You need to monetize this ability.

[John_Havok]

Happ is an FA after this season. If he signs with the Yankees for 2019 he could've done that anyway regardless of where he finishes the season.

 

I know. Wasn't speaking about Happ specifically, just a general comment on why you try to get more from a division rival if you are trading an asset with multiple year of control.

[TheHurl]

If a team went down to 3 starters for the playoffs...is Happ a starter for any AL team outside of Seattle? I don't think any AL team is giving up a top spect. The Yankees to stay out of the wildcard game and Seattle if they actually have the pipe dream of catching the Astros (I'd say the Mariners for holding off their pending collapse). Top 100 guy is in play...top 50 guy probably isn't unless there are some injuries in the next month. Better chance that it's a AAA back of the rotation guy and a couple young lottery tickets.

[Terminator]

Also depends on what other starters are available. Is anyone selling a SP better than Happ? I can't think of any but someone else might be able to. I took a look at who the free agent starting pitchers are next year and Happ ranks near the top of the list with guys like Gio and Keuchel also heading toward FA. But those guys are playing for contenders who won't be on the block during the trade deadline. So Happ is the best rental IMO. Not sure if anyone with multiple years of control will be on the block or not.

[bendera3]

Also depends on what other starters are available. Is anyone selling a SP better than Happ? I can't think of any but someone else might be able to.

 

Looking at the rentals list I can't see one. I'd like to see Pearce, Granderson, Loup, Clippard, Estrada and Happ traded even though I don't think we'd get much in return for anyone not named Clippard and Happ. With the year Donaldson is having I think I'd prefer to just QO him at the seasons end.

Edited June 20, 2018 by bendera3

[Terminator]

So if he's the top starter he's going to be getting a pretty solid haul.

[Grant77]

I’m really not too familiar with other teams farm systems outside of the top 20 or so overall prospects. What do you guys think the Jays would have to give up hypothetically for Happ from their own farm system? I think that would help some of us gauge his value.

 

Other teams would certainly ask for guys like Jansen and Alford, but we could probably get it done for less.

 

Perhaps a high level pitching prospect like SRF or Borucki and a lower level bat like Warmoth or Smith.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Looking at the rentals list I can't see one. I'd like to see Pearce, Granderson, Loup, Clippard, Estrada and Happ traded even though I don't think we'd get much in return for anyone not named Clippard and Happ. With the year Donaldson is having I think I'd prefer to just QO him at the seasons end.

 

I think the QO/draft pick scenario is best case at this point. If JD accepts the QO, then he hopefully has a better walk year.

[jb22]

Other teams would certainly ask for guys like Jansen and Alford, but we could probably get it done for less.

 

Perhaps a high level pitching prospect like SRF or Borucki and a lower level bat like Warmoth or Smith.

 

That's pretty underwhelming imo, but it's probably good that people don't expect him to return something great.

[Orgfiller]

If a team went down to 3 starters for the playoffs...is Happ a starter for any AL team outside of Seattle? I don't think any AL team is giving up a top spect. The Yankees to stay out of the wildcard game and Seattle if they actually have the pipe dream of catching the Astros (I'd say the Mariners for holding off their pending collapse). Top 100 guy is in play...top 50 guy probably isn't unless there are some injuries in the next month. Better chance that it's a AAA back of the rotation guy and a couple young lottery tickets.

 

Happ would definitely be a starter for the Yankees. They'd start him over one of Gray and Tanaka.

[sdyment]

“I'd like to see Pearce, Granderson, Loup, Clippard, Estrada and Happ traded even though I don't think we'd get much in return for anyone not named Clippard and Happ“

 

You’re thinking in 2D... just consider each of these guys in a Liriano V2.0 type-trade involving cash. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but if they have some $$$ to “buy” some extra prospects or improve quality, then a value-driven FO could add a ton of potential to the top of our system.

 

Then if you trade one or two of the 2 and 3 year control guys (plus a healthy, driven JD), this rebuild could accelerate.