What can we get for JA Happ?

[Spanky99]

Yes - I think times have changed (even though that was only a few years ago). The Astros didn't give up as much as the Cubs to get multiple years of G.Cole.

 

Less than two years ago, and Huntington is a moron with no payroll. No f***ing way, man.

[Spanky99]

Yes. Because this is the Blue Jays. And Chapman is sexy whereas Happ isn't. Star factor means something.

 

If Donaldson was healthy and on his game then I really do think the Jays could get a real nice haul, but that's not what we're working with.

 

I relish the opportunity to be wrong in this case. We have 1-2 months to wait and see.

 

WS titles mean something, GM's don't get caught up in sexy names at the deadline... whatever we'll see.

[Dr. Dinger]

The Yankees aren't the only suitor for Happ, they can pay a premium to get him (Frazier or Florial) or they can f*** off. We can get the likes of Albert Abreu from any number of contending teams.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I'm not sure if this is still a thing, but wouldn't the Yanks needs to pay a premium to get any MLB player off of a AL East team?

[glory]

Teams are valuing prospects more now. I think we will get a good package for Happ, but Frazier would be in the super great territory, and I don't think that's happening. With a worse/more desperate GM, maybe, but not Cashman. The team that will blow their load is probably Seattle, but they don't have enough intriguing pieces.

 

The Braves are 1st place and have a deep system. Maybe the Jays can make a deal there. Though with our luck AA is probably super strict about keeping prospects now.

[Dr. Dinger]

I'm not sure if this is still a thing, but wouldn't the Yanks needs to pay a premium to get any MLB player off of a AL East team?

 

It depends on the circumstances. If the player being acquired has multiple years of control, then certainly yes. If the player is a rental, like Happ, and the Jays have fallen out of contention... no... except... the Yankees need starting pitching the most out of any contender/buyer. THAT is why they will pay a premium IMO, not because they're in our division.

[MarcoSanchez]

Here's hoping the Mariners are a 11 game losing streak waiting to happen.

[Dr. Dinger]

And guess what? JA Happ is actually a reasonable Qualifying Offer candidate if contenders don't meet the Jays' asking price. In that scenario we'd either get him on a one year deal around $17.5M, or we'd get a compensation draft pick if he signs elsewhere. This would also give the Jays leverage in negotiating an extension with Happ. Happ is on his 4th straight season of being a 3 WAR pitcher, so if it comes down to paying him $17.5M on a one year deal, in a year where our payroll is stripped way back anyway, I'm okay with that. We don't have to trade him for any sort of middling return, there is leverage here.

[Abomination]

I'm not sure if this is still a thing, but wouldn't the Yanks needs to pay a premium to get any MLB player off of a AL East team?

 

I agree with Dinger. For a rental player, I don't think a premium is necessary. If they had several years of control, it definitely becomes more problematic.

[Jonn]

We aren't locked into the Yankees or Mariners. Tons of contending teams will want Happ at the deadline lol. Yankees are going to need to move one of their top prospects to upgrade their rotation plain and simple. Starting pitching is in high demand.

[Spanky99]

We aren't locked into the Yankees or Mariners. Tons of contending teams will want Happ at the deadline lol. Yankees are going to need to move one of their top prospects to upgrade their rotation plain and simple. Starting pitching is in high demand.

 

I knew Jonn would put you guys straight... last week of July is when all the fun happens.

[Daniel Labude]

Happ and Pillar for Ian Happ, and a couple prospects....?

[Spanky99]

Happ and Pillar for Ian Happ, and a couple prospects....?

 

Why would they do that, why would we?

[burlingtonbandit]

And guess what? JA Happ is actually a reasonable Qualifying Offer candidate if contenders don't meet the Jays' asking price. In that scenario we'd either get him on a one year deal around $17.5M, or we'd get a compensation draft pick if he signs elsewhere. This would also give the Jays leverage in negotiating an extension with Happ. Happ is on his 4th straight season of being a 3 WAR pitcher, so if it comes down to paying him $17.5M on a one year deal, in a year where our payroll is stripped way back anyway, I'm okay with that. We don't have to trade him for any sort of middling return, there is leverage here.

 

Unless he pulls an Estrada of 2017 I don't think the QO changes his value at all. If he continues to pitch the way he does he's going to command a much better return than a comp pick that could be in the 3rd round.

[Spanky99]

And guess what? JA Happ is actually a reasonable Qualifying Offer candidate if contenders don't meet the Jays' asking price. In that scenario we'd either get him on a one year deal around $17.5M, or we'd get a compensation draft pick if he signs elsewhere. This would also give the Jays leverage in negotiating an extension with Happ. Happ is on his 4th straight season of being a 3 WAR pitcher, so if it comes down to paying him $17.5M on a one year deal, in a year where our payroll is stripped way back anyway, I'm okay with that. We don't have to trade him for any sort of middling return, there is leverage here.

 

As is JD... 2 comp picks at worst, never feed that wants to beat you.

[Spanky99]

Unless he pulls an Estrada of 2017 I don't think the QO changes his value at all. If he continues to pitch the way he does he's going to command a much better return than a comp pick that could be in the 3rd round.

 

Oh that's right, f***. A 2nd and 3rd, not worth it.

[Terminator]

How many starters are even going to be on the market? If Happ is the best one or close to it we could get a s*** load for him.

[Daniel Labude]

Why would they do that, why would we?

 

Cause they have some good prospects and Happ is what we need imo. An everyday player that can play anywhere with the power to be a star with everyday ABs. Cubs need pitching and could use Pillar better than we are. Seems like a perfect fit for what they want/do. They also won't be using Happ everyday for a few years it seems.

[Spanky99]

Cause they have some good prospects and Happ is what we need imo. An everyday player that can play anywhere with the power to be a star with everyday ABs. Cubs need pitching and could use Pillar better than we are. Seems like a perfect fit for what they want/do. They also won't be using Happ everyday for a few years it seems.

 

Almora/Pillar and Happ in a closed rotation when Darvish is back? For Happ in our loaded 2nd base and OF?

[Daniel Labude]

Almora/Pillar and Happ in a closed rotation when Darvish is back? For Happ in our loaded 2nd base and OF?

 

How the heck are we loaded in the OF without Pillar next year, Granderson, Pearce will probably not be here or if they are will be bench players at best. Happ is better than Alford and Teoscar imo. Grichuk is a complete wildcard who could be just filler or could be back into great form. Total toss up. Give Happ is basically Moncada right now imo.

 

Cubs are lacking quality pitching imo. Happ would be their 2nd best pitcher probably even with Darvish healthy. They have quantity for sure. Just not all that good imo, especially to make it to the World Series.

[Spanky99]

How the heck are we loaded in the OF without Pillar next year, Granderson, Pearce will probably not be here or if they are will be bench players at best. Happ is better than Alford and Teoscar imo. Grichuk is a complete wildcard who could be just filler or could be back into great form. Total toss up. Give Happ is basically Moncada right now imo.

 

Cubs are lacking quality pitching imo. Happ would be their 2nd best pitcher probably even with Darvish healthy. They have quantity for sure. Just not all that good imo, especially to make it to the World Series.

 

You'd think we're rebuilding with fellas around the same numbers.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays should be seeking pitching prospects, regardless.

 

Burnes from the brew crew, Abreu from the yanks, Ian Anderson from the braves, guys of that ilk

[Ray]

Starting pitching market this deadline is awful. Happ actually may be the best available starter unless the Mets decide to trade DeGrom or Syndergaard. Besides Happ, you're looking at guys like Hamels and Tyson Ross.

 

After getting Teoscar for Liriano and Pannone and Samad Taylor for Joe Smith, I'm pretty confident that whatever trades we make are gonna be pretty good for us.

[Abomination]

Jays should be seeking pitching prospects, regardless.

 

Burnes from the brew crew, Abreu from the yanks, Ian Anderson from the braves, guys of that ilk

 

I think we should be seeking whoever is the best player, regardless of position, and quality over quantity even if we have to eat all Happ's contract.

[Jimcanuck]

I think we should be seeking whoever is the best player, regardless of position, and quality over quantity even if we have to eat all Happ's contract.

 

Agreed, but lean towards pitching

[THANOS]

Jonah Kerri seems to think if JD goes on one of his usual MVP type tears, he could net us Mike Soroka.

 

If that somehow happened, I'd lose it with joy.

[Orgfiller]

Jays should be seeking pitching prospects, regardless.

 

Burnes from the brew crew, Abreu from the yanks, Ian Anderson from the braves, guys of that ilk

 

Yeah no f*** pitching prospects, just get the best that's available, and honestly, hopefully it's not a pitching prospect.

[LGBJ29]

Jonah Kerri seems to think if JD goes on one of his usual MVP type tears, he could net us Mike Soroka.

 

If that somehow happened, I'd lose it with joy.

 

lol I'd lower my expectations

[Spanky99]

Jonah Kerri seems to think if JD goes on one of his usual MVP type tears, he could net us Mike Soroka.

 

If that somehow happened, I'd lose it with joy.

 

I've read similar s***, if he does.

[Spanky99]

Jays should be seeking pitching prospects, regardless.

 

Burnes from the brew crew, Abreu from the yanks, Ian Anderson from the braves, guys of that ilk

 

Why? Why not BPA?