Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[Eat My Shatkins]

10 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah now that you mention it, it's kind of a fruitless exercise because It just goes based off nothing more than projections. It doesn't speculate on what teams will do this offseason, if a team has a need that it hasn't filled yet it just assigns the WAR for the player currently in that spot even if he's unlikely to be there when the season starts.

Teams that have yet to replace their FAs that just left are going to be hit hard by a list like this. Teams that are going to sell or not do much (like the Twins) play up.

I guess it's useful in that you know what kind of a baseline you are working with right now. I imagine by the end of the offseason we will be Top 5ish.

Signing Bo and Cease would put the Jays close to 90 win projection.

[Eat My Shatkins]

25 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

The one bat cannot be Belly?

I wouldn't be mad if they signed Belly, but I'd rather they sign two TOR SP's instead if that's all they could fit in the budget.

[Terminator]

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/carlos-mendoza/sa3008944/stats?position=2B/OF

Fangraphs' player page uses the Mets Manager's picture when he was a coach with the Yankees lol.

He looks mildly interesting in that he's a lefty who can draw walks.

But he doesn't play SS or CF, he's more of a 2B/3B/OF type which tells me his defense might not be that great.

So probably not a guy.

[BTS]

Manoah non-tendered by Atlanta lol 

[G-Snarls]

39 minutes ago, BTS said:

Manoah non-tendered by Atlanta lol 

No way the Guardians or Rays don't sign him to a minor league deal 

[Orgfiller]

3 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

No way the Guardians or Rays don't sign him to a minor league deal 

He doesn’t really seem like a target for either team tbh. Guy who was never overpowering or had elite stuff (Rays love these), not a command artist (Guardians love these), and has a big ego. Not exactly within their model of unheralded guys that they can squeeze more out of.

[Pendleton]

2 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

He doesn’t really seem like a target for either team tbh. Guy who was never overpowering or had elite stuff (Rays love these), not a command artist (Guardians love these), and has a big ego. Not exactly within their model of unheralded guys that they can squeeze more out of.

Baltimore is calling, he'd be right in the mix for a rotation job 

[Terminator]

38 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

He doesn’t really seem like a target for either team tbh. Guy who was never overpowering or had elite stuff (Rays love these), not a command artist (Guardians love these), and has a big ego. Not exactly within their model of unheralded guys that they can squeeze more out of.

Yeah he needs to sign with a dumpster fire of a team simply so he can get an opportunity to try and get a big league deal next year. Rockies or someone like that. 

I don't think a decent team would have the room to give him a shot.

I suppose he could sign a minor league deal with a good team and then opt out when he doesn’t make the roster. That seems plausible.

[Pendleton]

44 minutes ago, Pendleton said:

Baltimore is calling, he'd be right in the mix for a rotation job 

I wasn't joking 

[Laika]

Manoah might be a good fit for the Rockies 

Or the Savannah Bananas 

Not sure about anyone else

I guess he has the body type for the Mexican League 

[xposbrad]

3 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Signing Bo and Cease would put the Jays close to 90 win projection.

That's exactly what they need. They sign a reliever or trade for one at some point. 

[jmomcc]

He should try Japan. Or lose weight and go to driveline. 

[Stangstag]

8 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Just gimme.....

 

- One bat (Bo, Tucker, Bregman)

- One TOR SP (Cease, Imai, Suarez)

- One high leverge BP arm (Diaz, Suarez, Helsley, Fairbanks)

 

Given there will only be so many teams in serious bidding for some or all of these players (Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Phillies, Cubs, Jays), and given that the Jays are a proven contender with willingness to spend, we should hopefully be able to land one of each of those guys. And if the Jays are willing to break the bank in 2026, just keep on signing guys haha.

I don’t think signing a high-leverage reliever is completely necessary, as that is something that can be addressed at the trade deadline. But I totally agree with your priorities there.

1. Bat (Bo/Belly/Tucker/Breg)

2. Starter (Suarez/Cease/Imai/King)

3. Reliever (Diaz/Suarez/Williams/Helsley)

I would be happy with just the first 2 done

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

I don’t think signing a high-leverage reliever is completely necessary, as that is something that can be addressed at the trade deadline. But I totally agree with your priorities there.

1. Bat (Bo/Belly/Tucker/Breg)

2. Starter (Suarez/Cease/Imai/King)

3. Reliever (Diaz/Suarez/Williams/Helsley)

I would be happy with just the first 2 done

Something with the pen needs to be addressed though, bottom half of the league in fWAR while being top 3 in K rate. The HR parade from Hoffman had a lot to do with that as did Little not being able to hit water if he fell out of a boat in the 2nd half. 

Getting a healthy Yimi back would be a good start amd realistically the place they should be adding to the pen is towards the back end. Theres easily enough depth for the 4-8 pen spots. They need someone to be able to step directly in for Hoffman if he falters again. 

As it stands if we assume a healthy Garcia... its likely Varland, Yimi, Hoffman in the 7th, 8th,9th, with a sprinkling of Little and Fluharty when the need arises for a lefty. So that's your top 5 with Fisher, Nance, Yariel rounding out the bottom 3. Not awful, should be above average, but im not thinking thats a top 5 pen either.  Schultz, Lucas and Bruihl will be in the mix too but they dont really move the needle. Adding another true backend reliever is really the only way they can improve the pen to where it needs to be.

[jmomcc]

I'm sure we wouldn't be the only team to want to do this so he'll have a selection, but holderman on a small deal has options and has good stuff. If he can locate it. 

[Hipfan]

I wonder what, if any, market there is for Berrios. I'd love to add a Imai/Cease level SP, resign Bassitt, bring back Bo and sign a top flight reliever. If the FO could unload Berrios, even eating a few million over the next 3 years, they should be able to sign 3 high end FA. I'd love for them to go all Steve Cohn and sign Tucker, Bo, and 2 pitchers, but that's just dreaming! 😂

[Stangstag]

7 minutes ago, Hipfan said:

I wonder what, if any, market there is for Berrios. I'd love to add a Imai/Cease level SP, resign Bassitt, bring back Bo and sign a top flight reliever. If the FO could unload Berrios, even eating a few million over the next 3 years, they should be able to sign 3 high end FA. I'd love for them to go all Steve Cohn and sign Tucker, Bo, and 2 pitchers, but that's just dreaming! 😂

Yeah im curious to see if the relationship with Berrios has been damaged like some reports say, and if they try to move him.

Would think Zac Gallen on a multi-year deal would be a better bet than Berrios going forward 

[jaysblue]

32 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah im curious to see if the relationship with Berrios has been damaged like some reports say, and if they try to move him.

Would think Zac Gallen on a multi-year deal would be a better bet than Berrios going forward 

Could see a team like the Angels, D'Backs or A's maybe taking on Berrios, though you probably need to take on another bad contract coming back. 

Not sure what challenge trades could be out there for Berrios. Will look around. 

[jaysblue]

40 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah im curious to see if the relationship with Berrios has been damaged like some reports say, and if they try to move him.

Would think Zac Gallen on a multi-year deal would be a better bet than Berrios going forward 

Berrios + other pieces for Gray, Arenado and Jo Jo Romero? 

Arenado will be at $27M in 2026 and then drops to $15M in 2027. If Jays can't bring back Bo or sign Bregman, Arenado slides in at third base, and Clement becomes your everyday 2B. Maybe Arenado has a dead cat bounce type of season like Springer did this past season. If you can squeeze 3 WAR out of him like what he did in 2024 as a floor. 

If you can also try to squeeze Gray and Jo Jo out of the Cardinals in a deal, fills a lot of needs in one trade and would consider taking on Arenado. 

Berrios gives the Cards a veteran inning eater at $18M per season, though he's under contract potentially until 2029. 

[glory]

Berrios has a player option after 2026 at 2/48 that could rise based on innings pitched this coming season. I think he’s unmovable if you’re looking for a pure salary dump. A bad contract swap is probably their best shot.

[jaysblue]

3 minutes ago, glory said:

Berrios has a player option after 2026 at 2/48 that could rise based on innings pitched this coming season. I think he’s unmovable if you’re looking for a pure salary dump. A bad contract swap is probably their best shot.

Berrios for Arenado. 

Get creative and expand the deal so you also get Gray and Romero coming back. 

[jmomcc]

The reasonable best case is that he was injured last year. That velo drop was a decent bit and he's still quite young. Let's say next year he is somewhere between 2023 and 2024 berrios again which isn't good but is say 170 innings and 2 wins. 

The best best case is that he is pissed, and goes to driveline or tread or something and works on pitch design and gets back to more a 3 win pitcher. Then he opts out. 

What we need is a team like the guardians are with us, Someone to be there when we need rid of shaky contracts. 

[jmomcc]

How about this for a crazy idea. 

Assuming bo goes elsewhere. We trade 

- Berrios 

to the rockies for 

- Bryant

- Tovar

- prospects

Bryant is completely dead money. He is probably going to have like 50 PAs per season as he seems to have a chronic back injury. He should retire but he won't without getting probably all that money. 
 

The rockies are rebuilding anyway, this gives them a completely free cap, and berrios putting up 1.5 wins a year is fine there. 

Yes it would put us even more up in the tax but who cares. 

[Jonn]

I don’t know if I am ready to accept Berrios is completely useless yet. Like not even good enough to be the 5th Starter.

[John_Havok]

13 minutes ago, Jonn said:

I don’t know if I am ready to accept Berrios is completely useless yet. Like not even good enough to be the 5th Starter.

You shouldn't, because he's not. From the fans POV, he suffers from where fans have expectations for him, vs his performance. If a guy like Berrios is your 5th starter, you're in a pretty great spot.... until you consider his salary. 

The problem is... you don't want to be paying your 5th starter the kind of money he's getting paid, so fans move to the "he's useless" opinion. The opinion that he's making way too much money to be pitching like a 5th starter is valid. 

Zooming out...using CBT as a guide... the Jays projected starting 5 is 22+18.7+13 + 5.3 + 820K = 59.8m. That's not bad for a world series team. 

[Omar]

19 hours ago, BTS said:

Manoah non-tendered by Atlanta lol 

You know we laugh but his story has tragic arc.  First round pick, to rookie sensation, all-star game selection and then opening day starter.  All that and then a steep decline that no one saw coming. I hope he manages to find a roster spot with somebody but it doesn't look good. Sad.

[Jonn]

Kinda weird they claimed him if they didn’t plan to tender him a contract. Medicals must be bad.

[jaysblue]

3 hours ago, jmomcc said:

How about this for a crazy idea. 

Assuming bo goes elsewhere. We trade 

- Berrios 

to the rockies for 

- Bryant

- Tovar

- prospects

Bryant is completely dead money. He is probably going to have like 50 PAs per season as he seems to have a chronic back injury. He should retire but he won't without getting probably all that money. 
 

The rockies are rebuilding anyway, this gives them a completely free cap, and berrios putting up 1.5 wins a year is fine there. 

Yes it would put us even more up in the tax but who cares. 

I don't see the Rockies wanting to trade Tovar to clear Bryant's contract. Tovar is part of their long term plans. 

[jmomcc]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

I don't see the Rockies wanting to trade Tovar to clear Bryant's contract. Tovar is part of their long term plans. 

Their long term plan should be too be bad for at least the next three years and draft well. And figure out what succeeds in their park. 

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

Kinda weird they claimed him if they didn’t plan to tender him a contract. Medicals must be bad.

Happens on the time with fringe guys