Article: BREAKING: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Won’t Sign Extension With Blue Jays

[Jimcanuck]

7 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

I wouldn't mind moving him for a proper haul, but the hyperbole is strong in this one, what'd Vlad do to you bro? 

I hate greedy bastards

[Stangstag]

3 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Hah... I've seen you insult Vlad copious amounts of times in '20/22/23/'24 until June of last year, pick a lane dude. Actually I've seen you insult Shatkins 85% of the time since October of '22, prior to this he was your guy man, lol. 🤪

I agree with the rest of the post. If the Jays were to trade Vlad, it was last deadline. Once they didn't, they weren't trading him anytime soon, they're competing since that day, the writing was on the wall. Hopefully we make some more moves this offseason to upgrade, but I saw that it has to be done via trades, according to our SN guys that haven't been wrong at all all offseason, lol.

Yeah never really thought it made sense to trade him in the offseason. If you were trading him it should have been last deadline, why did we need him for the extra half season of a dead season? 
 

Ok so they held him. Planning to compete this year. Tried to extend him. Didn’t work out. I still don’t think its the right time to trade him now. 
 

You go into the season trying to compete again, and if it doesn’t work out you flip him at the deadline. If it goes the way of Donaldson, we probably sign Vlad back on a short-term or smaller deal anyways. 
 

I honestly like that better than extending him to some stupid 500mil deal. My choice probably would have been to trade him last deadline but that ship is sailed.

[Spanky99]

Yup, that was the time to sell the Bassitt's, Gausman's, Bo's, Vlad's of the world and they'd be very far ahead of the game on a rebuild, they decided to compete, it is what it is. Vlad not signing the extension changes nothing. If someone offers up a package for Vlad it'd have to help the team immediately. Next chance might be the deadline, but the season would have to have gone tits up for that to occur.

We'll see GO JAYS GO, baby! 😎

[saskjayfan]

If Vlad was asking over 500 mil I'd rather just fight the other teams in free agency next year.  He's putting a ton of pressure on himself.  If the Jays got close to 450 and he turned it down, I do understand that decision by the front office.  If the Jays didn't even get to 400 I would be disappointed. 

[Terminator]

This is a massive season for the franchise.

If we win some games and make the playoffs it’s possible to keep Vlad and to keep contending. 

If we lose we will sell at the deadline and nearly half the roster will turn over heading into next year and we are going to suck for several years. The Bo/Vlad era will end with nothing to show for it except whatever prospects we get for them. We will have a new front office and manager as well. 

I know some of you get excited with the thought of a rebuild because you like to jerk off to prospects but it’s going to suck if we have to go that route. I pray we don’t.

[Spanky99]

He wanted 10/400M back in November but was waiting on Soto's and Alonso's contracts, before the ink dried on that Soto contract his price went up considerably I imagine to the "this is stupid money for a one way ballplayer" category, I share no ill will at our FO if this guy's priced himself this high. I can't get behind it. If the Jays match or offer a bit more on his next contract(that I doubt gets to that much, save for maybe Cohen), he should sign here, right? I mean he's been saying this all along but the numbers tell us otherwise, half a billion for a guy people wanted off the team 2 years ago, lets put this in perspective here. He's simply not worth that much money, it's a massive overpay, imo, pretty cut and dry right there.

[Big_Walleye]

Will anyone be sorry to see the Gatorade baths gone?  What about the balls going through his glove at first?  Or the bone headed baserunning?  How about the post-game interviews where he only seems to talk about himself?  

Yes, he's been a pretty good hitter, sometimes!  He also has extended stretches of hitting nothing but ground balls when he tries to pull everything.

I've always felt that the FO liked Bo better than Vlad.  Last year aside, I think it still may be the case.  Bo had a bad season but he was injured and had personal (family) issues.  

I think a Bo contract will age a lot better than a Vlad one ever would.  His value is low right now so what better time?

The Mets showed interest in Vlad so let's find out what his value is right now.  How about a baseball trade where Alonso comes back?

 

[Spanky99]

14 minutes ago, Terminator said:

This is a massive season for the franchise.

If we win some games and make the playoffs it’s possible to keep Vlad and to keep contending. 

If we lose we will sell at the deadline and nearly half the roster will turn over heading into next year and we are going to suck for several years. The Bo/Vlad era will end with nothing to show for it except whatever prospects we get for them. We will have a new front office and manager as well. 

I know some of you get excited with the thought of a rebuild because you like to jerk off to prospects but it’s going to suck if we have to go that route. I pray we don’t.

Amen Term, don't sweat it though buddy, the playoffs will be easy to make, WS will be difficult to win, but ours. 😉

[Spanky99]

Well then...

[Terminator]

7 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Will anyone be sorry to see the Gatorade baths gone?  What about the balls going through his glove at first?  Or the bone headed baserunning?  How about the post-game interviews where he only seems to talk about himself?  

Yes, he's been a pretty good hitter, sometimes!  He also has extended stretches of hitting nothing but ground balls when he tries to pull everything.

I've always felt that the FO liked Bo better than Vlad.  Last year aside, I think it still may be the case.  Bo had a bad season but he was injured and had personal (family) issues.  

I think a Bo contract will age a lot better than a Vlad one ever would.  His value is low right now so what better time?

The Mets showed interest in Vlad so let's find out what his value is right now.  How about a baseball trade where Alonso comes back?

 

I get where the criticisms of Vlad are coming from, but if we had a chance to sign a 5 WAR player entering his age 27 season, people would be going insane with happiness on this board. But because it’s Vlad there’s a lot of trepidation for some reason. 

[hanton]

Shapiro won.  bravo buddy

[Brownie19]

37 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I know some of you get excited with the thought of a rebuild because you like to jerk off to prospects but it’s going to suck if we have to go that route. I pray we don’t.

Don't kink shame me Term.  So rude.   

Edited February 19, 2025 by Brownie19

[Big_Walleye]

27 minutes ago, Terminator said:

I get where the criticisms of Vlad are coming from, but if we had a chance to sign a 5 WAR player entering his age 27 season, people would be going insane with happiness on this board. But because it’s Vlad there’s a lot of trepidation for some reason. 

Besides the reasons I've already mentioned,  there's this...

Vlad seems to perform only when there's no pressure to do so.  Last year is a prime example, his numbers were good as a whole, but the bulk of his production came when the team was out of the race.

I would rather have players who perform in the clutch (see Freddie Freeman, Pete Alonso).  I see Bo as this type of player long term as well.

I like dirtbags, real ball players.  Vlad just doesn't fit that description.

[Omar]

46 minutes ago, Terminator said:

This is a massive season for the franchise.

If we win some games and make the playoffs it’s possible to keep Vlad and to keep contending. 

If we lose we will sell at the deadline and nearly half the roster will turn over heading into next year and we are going to suck for several years. The Bo/Vlad era will end with nothing to show for it except whatever prospects we get for them. We will have a new front office and manager as well. 

I know some of you get excited with the thought of a rebuild because you like to jerk off to prospects but it’s going to suck if we have to go that route. I pray we don’t.

I think a lot of the future course of action for this ball club is predicated on the status of one Mark Shapiro and to a much lesser degree Atkins.  If Shapiro gets extended I think there may be a slight retool (rebuilds are for non to luxury tax teams at this point) but the mandate will be to field a competitive team, CBT be damned. 

If Shapiro exits the org than I definitely see the new management group going heavy on the retool because why not, you can blame your predecessor for emptying the proverbial cupboard.  This would be interesting but I think somewhat painful for casual fans. 

If Vladdy gets inked to a long term deal it could be indicative of Mark Shapiro getting extended as well.  To be honest I'm surprised that the Blue Jays haven't committed to Shapiro at this point. Could this mean maybe Shapiro has plans to move on?  Who knows but this upcoming season (on and off the field) will determine the strategy for the next five years. 

[Jimcanuck]

6 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Besides the reasons I've already mentioned,  there's this...

Vlad seems to perform only when there's no pressure to do so.  Last year is a prime example, his numbers were good as a whole, but the bulk of his production came when the team was out of the race.

I would rather have players who perform in the clutch (see Freddie Freeman, Pete Alonso).  I see Bo as this type of player long term as well.

I like dirtbags, real ball players.  Vlad just doesn't fit that description.

I agree.  Vladdy is no Joe Carter.

[Big_Walleye]

4 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

I agree.  Vladdy is no Joe Carter.

Speaking of true baseball trades...

Vladdy for Alonso anyone?

[glory]

Shapiro’s lack of extension is an interesting wrinkle in all of this but I don’t think it impacts Vlad necessarily. I get the sense that Shapiro doesn’t care for Vlad and possibly hasn’t for years. Vlad is very much a “coasting on my natural ability” type of player which I don’t think Shapiro wants/likes. Whether Shapiro has one foot out the door or whether he’s been quietly extended in the background, I don’t think he has the appetite to give Vlad anything beyond what they feel he’s actually worth. Which wouldn’t even be a bad thing if the team actually knew how to develop young talent.

The 2026 roster with or without Vlad seems like a long shot to contend unless they get some significant internal development this season. Even if Shapiro sticks around and tries to contend again, it’s going to be an uphill battle. They really need 2 young position players and at least one SP to emerge from the system this season. Like if Orelvis and Roden (for example) look like 2-3 WAR or better type of players heading into 2026, then you can at least dream on internal development compensating for some of what they’d be losing, making it easier to reallocate money to fix other areas. The development of the farm is a very underrated storyline this season. They need to develop that next wave overnight basically.

[Jimcanuck]

21 minutes ago, glory said:

They need to develop that next wave overnight basically.

Nothing wrong with a 2 year lull, while the team is retooled / rebuilt.  The Red Sox are coming out of one, and look like a good bet for WC or even win ALE.

[Spanky99]

52 minutes ago, Big_Walleye said:

Speaking of true baseball trades...

Vladdy for Alonso anyone?

Why???  

[Jays24]

7 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Hah... I've seen you insult Vlad copious amounts of times in '20/22/23/'24 until June of last year, pick a lane dude. Actually I've seen you insult Shatkins 85% of the time since October of '22, prior to this he was your guy man, lol. 🤪

I agree with the rest of the post. If the Jays were to trade Vlad, it was last deadline. Once they didn't, they weren't trading him anytime soon, they're competing since that day, the writing was on the wall. Hopefully we make some more moves this offseason to upgrade, but I saw that it has to be done via trades, according to our SN guys that haven't been wrong at all all offseason, lol.

Ya I'm all for making fun of everyone when the situation calls for it... just saw a post where Shatkins were out of bounds with many folks agreeing with it lol. 

And for the record, I hated Shatkins until 2020ish... then felt stupid for doubting him until 2022... had the pitchforks out ever since lol.   

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Jimcanuck said:

Nothing wrong with a 2 year lull, while the team is retooled / rebuilt.  The Red Sox are coming out of one, and look like a good bet for WC or even win ALE.

Yeah - the Red Sox are shaping up to be a good team for the next while...

[Spanky99]

35 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - the Red Sox are shaping up to be a good team for the next while...

Even after their trade for Crochet, still the #1 ranked farm in baseball. 

[BTS]

14 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

Even after their trade for Crochet, still the #1 ranked farm in baseball. 

Damn Spanky, that -71 reputation score is rough 

[Spanky99]

13 minutes ago, BTS said:

Damn Spanky, that -71 reputation score is rough 

I have fans bro, lol... no sweat off my balls. 😝🤡🦤🖕

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13 minutes ago, BTS said:

 

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

If Vlad was asking over 500 mil I'd rather just fight the other teams in free agency next year.  He's putting a ton of pressure on himself.  If the Jays got close to 450 and he turned it down, I do understand that decision by the front office.  If the Jays didn't even get to 400 I would be disappointed. 

This about sums it up for me too

[Big_Walleye]

2 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Why???  

Because he's clutch.  Something Vlad is clearly not!!!

[Spanky99]

On 2/18/2025 at 9:46 AM, glory said:

This is why keeping a lame duck front office was a bad idea. They have zero reason to care about anything other than 2025, so trading Vlad and hurting the 2025 team (even if it helps the 2026-beyond teams) wouldn’t be in their best interest. The only other option then would be an extension but they are extremely committed to their own internal valuations/plan, and Vlad has no reason to compromise when every big market team will be after him this winter, so there was very little chance this was ever going to lead to an extension.

It’s strange that if both Vlad and Bo are still on the team by the end of 2025, then I actually think Bo is more likely to come back. I don’t see a clear market for him as a shortstop. 

 

This doesn't make sense, if they were acting like a lame duck FO, they'd have signed Vlad to an exorbitant amount of money yesterday. I see them acting as a responsible front office in consideration to the team moving forward, both financially and hanging on to the prospects of value so far rather than trade. I feel these guys are around for a while, especially Shapiro. Atkins can be his fire if they don't make the post-season, cause surely they wouldn't be able to bring him back, lol. For the record; I wanted Atkins canned after he chucked Schneider under the bus. 

[Stangstag]

5 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

If Vlad was asking over 500 mil I'd rather just fight the other teams in free agency next year.  He's putting a ton of pressure on himself.  If the Jays got close to 450 and he turned it down, I do understand that decision by the front office.  If the Jays didn't even get to 400 I would be disappointed. 

Exactly. I’d rather wait to see if he can put up MVP numbers again before forking over 500mil. Giving him anything over 300 at this point could look absolutely terrible before the ink dries if he has another mediocre season in 2025. 
 

I need to see more consistency to warrant the type of contract Vlad wants.

[Stangstag]

3 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Nothing wrong with a 2 year lull, while the team is retooled / rebuilt.  The Red Sox are coming out of one, and look like a good bet for WC or even win ALE.

Man, the Redsox have seemingly hit on so many stud prospects. Maybe their development is just super solid.

- Casas

- Duran

- Anthony

- Mayer

- Campbell

Plus Devers and now Bregman is a super solid core.

 

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

13 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Mic drop. 😅

How is that a mic drop?  Do you not know maths?

4.8 WAR for Vlad vs 6.5 for Soto would mean Vlad deserves $565 million compared to Sotos $765 million if you use the predicted WAR ratio, which I'm assuming what BTS was trying to show or why did he bring that up?

Thanks for making my point.

I'd be willing to bet he wasn't asking that much.  My guess is he wanted $450 million, which if they were willing to go 765 for Soto but not meet his ask, it's a slap in the face.