General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[mphenhef]

10 hours ago, max silver said:

I don't know if Bo is going to have much of a choice. I recall a recent update from one of the MLB insiders stating that none of the MLB teams viewed Bo as a short stop moving forward.

Given the absolutely awful state of second base across the league outside of a few (Jazz, Marte, Turang) one would have to believe there is some money to be made as a great hitting 2B as well.

[Angrioter]

15 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

It just kind of worked out really.  Bo got hurt. Gimenez had to move to short and played so well you want to keep him here. Bo can see that as well as anyone can from down in the 3B dugout. If he's a team player at all he realizes the best thing right now has him as DH or 2B if his leg allows him to play defense. 

...... or Devers Boston issues 

[Grant77]

2 hours ago, Angrioter said:

...... or Devers Boston issues 

That issue was more about the team making promises and lying to him than it was about a position change.

[BlackCoffee]

On 10/20/2025 at 12:44 PM, John_Havok said:

You do the same thing in a car, though admittedly there's more safety features in a car or truck. But, all it takes is one idiot and you're done no matter what youre driving. 

I’ll take my chances getting t-boned in my truck opposed to flying off a motorcycle and then getting run over. 

[John_Havok]

2 minutes ago, BlackCoffee said:

I’ll take my chances getting t-boned in my truck opposed to flying off a motorcycle and then getting run over. 

Me too. I'll take a dirt bike or a quad into the fields any day of the week though. 

[max silver]

9 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Given the absolutely awful state of second base across the league outside of a few (Jazz, Marte, Turang) one would have to believe there is some money to be made as a great hitting 2B as well.

Yeah I think Bo can earn a really nice contract as a second baseman. I think the Semien deal with an extra year or two tacked on due to Bo's younger age could act as a bit of a template. 

[Jimcanuck]

Bo would likely be above average defensively at 2B

His issue at SS was mostly arm strength and accuracy.  Much less of an issue at 2B

[Eat My Shatkins]

Loving hearing Bo say his goal is to play his entire career in Toronto. Don't think I've ever heard of him saying something like that before. If he signs for around $25 million AAV and moves to 2B, this team is set up for a really nice potential multi year run.

[Spanky__99]

30 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Loving hearing Bo say his goal is to play his entire career in Toronto. Don't think I've ever heard of him saying something like that before. If he signs for around $25 million AAV and moves to 2B, this team is set up for a really nice potential multi year run.

Adames money gets him.

[max silver]

2 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Bo would likely be above average defensively at 2B

His issue at SS was mostly arm strength and accuracy.  Much less of an issue at 2B

I think Bo's arm is plenty strong for short stop. His issue was almost entirely bad range at short stop as the throwing issues were largely a thing of the past.

[Spanky__99]

Hah...

[Olerud363.354]

On 10/24/2025 at 7:18 AM, Laika said:

Crawford and Suarez had "fall down range" in that series lmao. It cost them multiple runs.

OK.  But the fact Suarez's flyballs go farther then Ernie Clement's gained them 5 runs and a win in game 5.   

Suarez also "saved" 2 runs diving to get a 116 mph missile in game 6  So we give +5 runs in game five.  +2 in game 6 for 7.  So hypothetically if -8 for the rest of the plays in the series, he's only maybe -1 over all.  

Not that it works like that.  Just pointing out it's silly to claim these guys are costing multiple runs in a short series.  Or if true because random chance had them dealing with tough plays at critical moments, that's just chance, and you could also say they "gain" multiple runs if their hitting by random chance comes through at a critical moment.  

Did you watch game 5?  Did you see how Ernie Clement's inferior man strength cost some runs when his fly ball was caught at the top of the fence, but Suarez gained 4 runs because he was strong enough to muscle it over?

[Olerud363.354]

On 10/24/2025 at 7:18 AM, Laika said:

Crawford and Suarez had "fall down range" in that series lmao. It cost them multiple runs.

Not sure I'll get anywhere with Grant but one thing I wonder is why do the LA Dodgers not get a bit of hate along the same line?  They are the type of team I really hate to watch.

1.  Max Muncy has less defense and less fWAR than Suarez

2. Teoscar Hernandez is a horrible defensive player and strikes out a remarkable amount

3.  Shohei Ohtani strikes out as much as anyone and just hits homeruns and doesn't even play defense.  Plus he is a gambler who sent his best friend to Jail and never gave back the jacket we gave his dog.

4.  They struck out like 300 more times than the Jays and according to fangraphs are also bad overall on D

5.  They were 6th worse in the NL with 1350 strike-outs.  Not as bad as the 5th worse in the AL Seattle Mariners.

So I will give you this.  The LA Dodgers, they are not as bad as the historically awful Seattle Mariners, the worst team to ever reach the ALCS.  But they have a couple of similar traits.  So why are they such heavy favourites in the World Series if kind of "Seattle Mariners" lite?

 

[SeranthonySantander]

1 minute ago, Olerud363.354 said:

 

3.  Shohei Ohtani strikes out as much as anyone and just hits homeruns and doesn't even play defense.  Plus he is a gambler who sent his best friend to Jail and never gave back the jacket we gave his dog.

 

It's going to be interesting when someone gets the proof that Ohtani was gambling and what MLB does.  f*** that guy and his dog.

[Ball4Life]

Who’s worse - Schneider or Montoyo?

[L54]

Haven’t thought about old Uncle Charles in a minute

[Landry_25]

1 hour ago, Ball4Life said:

Who’s worse - Schneider or Montoyo?

Recency bias would say Schneider at the moment 

[jaysblue]

On 10/25/2025 at 7:55 AM, Spanky__99 said:

Hah...

Best ticket to have with the bed being seconds away to crash after that marathon lol. 

[Brownie19]

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[Angrioter]

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[John_Havok]

On 10/28/2025 at 7:03 AM, Brownie19 said:

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What a weird statement.... "overcoming privilege to achieve success"

 

[L54]

Did anyone know Tyler Heineman was worth 2 WAR this year in 64 games and 174 PAs? That is nuts 

[Laika]

5 minutes ago, L54 said:

Did anyone know Tyler Heineman was worth 2 WAR this year in 64 games and 174 PAs? That is nuts 

I guess he's an elite defender. + he got so lucky with the stick, lol. 

 

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, John_Havok said:

What a weird statement.... "overcoming privilege to achieve success"

 

The way I read it is Barger was SOOOO privileged that even after his dad built a ball diamond and training facilities for him, home schooled him and hired a personal trainer - he still SUCKED and couldn't get playing time on one of the thousands of local travel balls teams - so his dad started his own travel ball team and filled it with Dominicans (was Barger a loser with no regular friends?) and FINALLY, after all of that, he finally became a legit prospect.  The epitome of "daddy ball" for sure.  In fact, he might be the biggest and most successful example of daddy ball in the history of baseball.

[L54]

I’d do it for my son if I could

Zero shame from me 

[L54]

47 minutes ago, Laika said:

I guess he's an elite defender. + he got so lucky with the stick, lol. 

 

.342 babip lol 

And to think I wanted to extend Danny Jansen at one point 

[SeranthonySantander]

Then on the other hand you have A Judges parents who took an unwanted baby who turned out to be on of the best players of all time.  Wonder if the birth parents know that.

[Pendleton]

58 minutes ago, L54 said:

Did anyone know Tyler Heineman was worth 2 WAR this year in 64 games and 174 PAs? That is nuts 

 

Yeah he was 17th overall in catcher WAR. It had me sort of contemplating whether he'd draw interest this off season. The FA market for catchers is terrible and Heineman is probably at least low end starting catcher caliber if his great defense holds up to a much larger sample - even if the bat completely falls off. 

 

Given that there's always a shortage of quality catchers, I would be surprised if we didn't at least have some calls on Heineman. That's not to say he would return enough value to justify moving him. He surely has more value to a team who doesn't have a Kirk (or anything close) but probably not enough to bother creating a void. We do have a very possible future back up in the recently acquired Valenzuela, but it's likely best to give him some MLB time to prove himself defensively before making that call. 

[Governator]

33 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

The way I read it is Barger was SOOOO privileged that even after his dad built a ball diamond and training facilities for him, home schooled him and hired a personal trainer - he still SUCKED and couldn't get playing time on one of the thousands of local travel balls teams - so his dad started his own travel ball team and filled it with Dominicans (was Barger a loser with no regular friends?) and FINALLY, after all of that, he finally became a legit prospect.  The epitome of "daddy ball" for sure.  In fact, he might be the biggest and most successful example of daddy ball in the history of baseball.

 

Wow... I didn't bother reading it but that's a wild story.  Much worse than the rich bribing schools for their kids.

[John_Havok]

23 minutes ago, L54 said:

I’d do it for my son if I could

Zero shame from me 

Oh for sure, I don't begrudge any kid whose parent has the means to provide the environment to grow. 

It's just... that's the textbook definition of privilege, he didn't overcome privilege. The way the terminology is presented is laughable.