General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Laika]

The roster is just a TURD STEW at this point. 

Lots of pieces but they are ALL TURDS!!!! 

[glory]

5 minutes ago, Laika said:

The roster is just a TURD STEW at this point. 

Lots of pieces but they are ALL TURDS!!!! 

One thing Ross Atkins loves more than opposite field singles is players with options, no matter how marginal they are. I know the AAA depth aren't exactly high valued trade pieces but I can't believe some were not consolidated for more help even if it was for a middle reliever or a bench bat. 

[Laika]

lowkey Dalton Varshew is a huge upgrade from Bill Wagner 

better in every single way

team gets a boost on every side of the ball 

TURD UPGRADE - HIGH FIBER PLAYER INCOMING 

[Spanky99]

53 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

Any update on Leo Jimenez and the injury he sustained in camp? Still hasn't made an appearance at AAA, but not seeing any actual reason or status update for what's up with him.

Stuck on Triple-A IL

April 23, 2025

Triple-A Buffalo placed Jimenez on its 7-day injured list March 27 due to an unspecified injury.

ANALYSIS
Jimenez wasn't known to be nursing an injury during spring training before Toronto optioned the infielder to Triple-A on March 21. The 23-year-old slashed .229/.329/.358 over 210 plate appearances with Toronto in 2024, but he'll have to overcome the injury and will likely need to perform well for extended period at Triple-A before getting another look with the big club.

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Laika said:

lowkey Dalton Varshew is a huge upgrade from Bill Wagner 

better in every single way

team gets a boost on every side of the ball 

TURD UPGRADE - HIGH FIBER PLAYER INCOMING 

Daulton "Insoluble Fibre" Varsho

[Brownie19]

Atkins - it's time to do something.  Don't just f*cking sit there.  

- Fire Schneider, fire this new hitting coach - send message to the players that their awful play is costing people (who have little impact on the results) their job.

- Make a trade - trade useless Ricky T for Robert Jr

- Resign

They need to react.  Stop sitting on your hands please.

[John_Havok]

[Masterbather]

Yep, there it is, Braves officially doing better than us now. That didn't take long lol

[jaysblue]

Even the Mariners are third in the MLB with 42 HR's thus far lol. 

[jaysblue]

6 hours ago, Masterbather said:

Yep, there it is, Braves officially doing better than us now. That didn't take long lol

Braves were supposed to be in shambles according to one prominent poster on this board 🤣

[glory]

The Jays are now tied for the 2nd worst run differential in the AL and tied for 4th worst in all of baseball. Only the Orioles (lol), Rockies, and Marlins are worse.

The sad thing is there’s not much the Jays can actually do. The minor league system is ass and the only injured player they are waiting on is a 40 year old Scherzer who might be washed anyway. On top of that they owe Vlad, Gimenez, Taters, Berrios, and Kirk about $430M from 2026-30 (never mind what they owe Vlad alone for the 9 years after that) so they aren’t going to rebuild. The path to fixing this isn’t very clear right now. 

[mphenhef]

10 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Atkins - it's time to do something.  Don't just f*cking sit there.  

- Fire Schneider, fire this new hitting coach - send message to the players that their awful play is costing people (who have little impact on the results) their job.

- Make a trade - trade useless Ricky T for Robert Jr

- Resign

They need to react.  Stop sitting on your hands please.

LouBob has an ops of .588...he's not the saviour.

[MikeM2]

11 hours ago, John_Havok said:

 

The time to panic was I think literally half a decade ago

[glory]

2 hours ago, mphenhef said:

LouBob has an ops of .588...he's not the saviour.

His team options after this season are for $20M annually so he’s no longer cheap either. Wouldn’t mind trading for him regardless if the cost is minimal (that’s all the Jays can offer anyway) since they won’t be rebuilding any time soon so might as well trade for someone with a high ceiling and hope it works, but he doesn’t present the surplus value potential that he used to.

The bigger question I have is who is going to handle the trade deadline if/when the team is selling again? A top 5 payroll in MLB while possibly heading towards a 2nd straight last place finish and having one of the worst farm systems in the league doesn’t seem like a situation that warrants a front office extension. Shatkins shouldn’t be within 10 feet of the trade deadline if the team is selling again.

 

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Braves were supposed to be in shambles according to one prominent poster on this board 🤣

Moving ahead of the Jays isn't exactly some monumental achievement.  

[Masterbather]

3 hours ago, glory said:

The Jays are now tied for the 2nd worst run differential in the AL and tied for 4th worst in all of baseball. Only the Orioles (lol), Rockies, and Marlins are worse.

The sad thing is there’s not much the Jays can actually do. The minor league system is ass and the only injured player they are waiting on is a 40 year old Scherzer who might be washed anyway. On top of that they owe Vlad, Gimenez, Taters, Berrios, and Kirk about $430M from 2026-30 (never mind what they owe Vlad alone for the 9 years after that) so they aren’t going to rebuild. The path to fixing this isn’t very clear right now. 

This is the infuriating thing, this is why I f***ing hated everything that they were doing, because there was no path to success with this Frankenstein team and all they've done is cost us multiple years of spinning our wheels in utter uselessness by not accepting the rebuild sooner. But people wanted their short-term fix and idiots on here kept wanting more pointless signings.

[BTS]

36 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

This is the infuriating thing, this is why I f***ing hated everything that they were doing, because there was no path to success with this Frankenstein team and all they've done is cost us multiple years of spinning our wheels in utter uselessness by not accepting the rebuild sooner. But people wanted their short-term fix and idiots on here kept wanting more pointless signings.

It's honestly difficult to see the path forward here. 74 wins last year. And this year's team might actually be worse. We're at a -35 run differential and its still April. The rebuild should have started last summer, but it didn't and we're digging ourselves into a massive hole. Look at the damage that has been done trying to "compete":

- Targeted high-minors MLB talent with deadline deals last year instead of low minors lottery ticket types. Only they completely botched it and didn't actually find anything that helps the MLB team. Last year's haul of MLB ready talent have provided -0.4 fWAR this season.  

- Absurd extension for Vlad instead of trading him for pieces that could help rebuild. 

- Locked into a 19.3M luxury tax hit through 2029 for a slap-hitting 2B who looks like an all-glove 2-win player, which you can basically sign for cheap every offseason. 

- 58M extension for a fat catcher who can't hit 

- 92M contract for Santander, who looks like a long shot to reach 2 WAR in year one of the deal. 

And now they're talking about a long term extension for a SS who hasn't hit a homerun in almost a full calendar year. 

This team is completely lost in the wilderness. They have no direction, and might be a bottom-5 managed team in baseball. 

[MikeM2]

BTS found the light 

[AMS528]

I feel like last year was depressing cause they lost a lot. 

This year is currently a real different level of depressing cause it doesn't appear there's any bounceback coming, they are paying an absurd amount of money to players delivering nothing, there's nothing in the immediate pipeline. We also signed a starting pitcher who can't throw more than 50 pitches at a time without missing weeks collapsing our starting pitching depth. It's a long term depression. 

This one is harder to nail done but it also appears we have ineffective philosophies when it comes to hitting and maybe even when scouting prospects for trades. 

Fans aren't dumb, if this keeps up the attendance will collapse because people know there's no hope. 

 

[glory]

2 hours ago, BTS said:

It's honestly difficult to see the path forward here. 74 wins last year. And this year's team might actually be worse. We're at a -35 run differential and its still April. The rebuild should have started last summer, but it didn't and we're digging ourselves into a massive hole. Look at the damage that has been done trying to "compete":

- Targeted high-minors MLB talent with deadline deals last year instead of low minors lottery ticket types. Only they completely botched it and didn't actually find anything that helps the MLB team. Last year's haul of MLB ready talent have provided -0.4 fWAR this season.  

- Absurd extension for Vlad instead of trading him for pieces that could help rebuild. 

- Locked into a 19.3M luxury tax hit through 2029 for a slap-hitting 2B who looks like an all-glove 2-win player, which you can basically sign for cheap every offseason. 

- 58M extension for a fat catcher who can't hit 

- 92M contract for Santander, who looks like a long shot to reach 2 WAR in year one of the deal. 

And now they're talking about a long term extension for a SS who hasn't hit a homerun in almost a full calendar year. 

This team is completely lost in the wilderness. They have no direction, and might be a bottom-5 managed team in baseball. 

Depressing but spot on. 

Coming into this past off season you could have commended Shatkins for having such a clear long-term payroll situation where it would have been easy to pivot for the next front office, but then Atkins decided to help his future employer by taking $96M off their hands (and another $11M for a 5th OF), sign a one trick pony DH to a five year deal, and extend a catcher who had a 94 wRC+ and .098 ISO in his last 1015 plate appearances coming into the season and might be one of the most out of shape athletes in the league. That's not to suggest that those contracts won't provide on-field value, they could/might, but none of them are tradable and when you're paying full freight for players rather than getting some sort of team benefit out of it, then it's not advantageous at all.

The next GM, whoever it is, will be mandated to compete in 2026, and I honestly don't know how that 1) has a chance of working out, and 2) makes the job desirable for a good candidate. For all we know Shapiro may have already been extended, but if the job is available, then I can't see it being one that a candidate with options is going to jump at. My guess is if the job is available then they'll give it to someone like Zaidi and try to have a quick turnaround rather than someone who sees logic in where the team is on the competitive cycle. 

[L54]

First time in what felt like two weeks I was able to sit down and watch the game 

Turned on the Leafs game once it was 7-0 

This team is ass 

[L54]

Andres Gimenez since people were suggesting the breakout was possible 

.127/.222/.155 

wRC+ of 15 

The core of Kirk, Gimenez and Vladimir looking good!! 

[L54]

20M/year for a glove first second baseman 

I’d rather have Spencer Horwitz 

[Brownie19]

Is anyone else having issues with this site?  I'll be reading the last response and the page like "resets" and boots me back to the top of the page and then the scroll bar on the right disappears for a second or two with f*cking popups or something. 

Watching the Jays makes my eyes bleed - can I not at least enjoy complaining about them on my favourite website in peace?

@Brock Beauchamp

[Brownie19]

39 minutes ago, L54 said:

Andres Gimenez since people were suggesting the breakout was possible 

.127/.222/.155 

wRC+ of 15 

The core of Kirk, Gimenez and Vladimir looking good!! 

I certainly jinxed it.  Blame me.  And blame the c*nts writing articles showing us all the changes he made to his swing/approach and the early exit velo improvements.

 

I ought to have known that nothing good ever happens to the Jays.

[L54]

13 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I certainly jinxed it.  Blame me.  And blame the c*nts writing articles showing us all the changes he made to his swing/approach and the early exit velo improvements.

 

I ought to have known that nothing good ever happens to the Jays.

Not you specifically but this is why three home runs in a week doesn’t mean anything to any player. The distribution can’t and never will be linear 

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

I certainly jinxed it.  Blame me.  And blame the c*nts writing articles showing us all the changes he made to his swing/approach and the early exit velo improvements.

 

I ought to have known that nothing good ever happens to the Jays.

Also, Bowden Francis completely regressed and Max Scherzer couldn't even give them one start and Alan Roden is actually just a non-prospect. 

Truly nothing good ever happens here 

[Terminator]

5 minutes ago, Laika said:

Also, Bowden Francis completely regressed and Max Scherzer couldn't even give them one start and Alan Roden is actually just a non-prospect. 

Truly nothing good ever happens here 

Francis regressing might be the KO punch on contention this season.

I think most teams can generally handle one black hole in the rotation, provided the other 4 are solid.

But 3 aging vets and two black holes? WC3 will not be easy to make.

[BatFlip]

I would say that it's still too early in the season to write off this team, but I'm terrified of being tarred and feathered and don't want to incite the mob.

 

[Brownie19]

5 minutes ago, Laika said:

Also, Bowden Francis completely regressed and Max Scherzer couldn't even give them one start and Alan Roden is actually just a non-prospect. 

Truly nothing good ever happens here 

It's hard to comprehend that none (0) of the Buffalo boys can hit.  Roden, Barger, Wagner, Schneider, Loperfido, Clement, Orelvis, Clase, Lukes.

Not 1 can even be a reasonable platoon bat in the majors.  At best, we might have a couple defensive utility players whom you don't want starting for an extended period.  It must be extremely frustrating for them.  They dedicate themselves to this sport for the past decade, work their way up to AAA and actually have a lot of success.  Then they get to the majors and their hopes and dreams are crushed.  They make Ryan Goins look like Barry Bonds offensively.  How depressing.

At least Little and Fluharty look like they might be solid bullpen arms.  Doubt it will last though.  Little probably gets TJS next week and Fluharty will probably be walking 7 per 9 in AAA by the end of May.