Positivity Thread

[max silver]

Hold up, we might have something cooking here

 

With Vlad and Springer seemingly rediscovering their power strokes and Horwitz and Turner constantly on base lately the offense is suddenly becoming interesting. Of course in typical 2024 Blue Jays fashion this will likely be evened out by deep slumps from Bo, Jansen, Varsho, Schneider etc. but at least it's a start.

[Eat My Shatkins]

With Vlad and Springer seemingly rediscovering their power strokes and Horwitz and Turner constantly on base lately the offense is suddenly becoming interesting. Of course in typical 2024 Blue Jays fashion this will likely be evened out by deep slumps from Bo, Jansen, Varsho, Schneider etc. but at least it's a start.

 

Haha no kidding.

 

It looks like Varsho, Babe and Jansen are already mired in slumps.

 

And Bo has been ass all season.

 

They're all due to get hot again though, and maybe the potential Vlad/Springer hot streaks will be contagious.

[jaysblue]

If they could sweep the Yankees (which I think is a must at this point), that would be making a huge statement.

[Omar]

Davis Schneider looks lost at the plate recently. Too much coaching I guess.

[Laika]

Schneider

 

wRC+ Mar/Apr = 134

May = 136

June = 58

 

I could see giving him a day or two off to collect his thoughts but he should still be a starter, full-stop. He's been the #1 Blue Jay position player since his 2023 debut.

 

WAR since August 4 2023 (Schneider debut)

 

DS = 3.1

Varsho = 3.0

Vlad = 2.0

IKF = 1.8 (lol)

Springer = 1.8

DJ = 1.8 (only 237 PA)

Kirk = 1.5

Biggio = 1.2 (lol)

Clement = 0.9 (only 187 PA)

KK = 0.7

Bo = 0.7 (woooooooooofffffffffffffffffffff)

Turner = 0.2

Chapman = 0.0 (thanks for nothing ya bum)

Merrifield = -0.6 omfg why did they play this guy at all last year

 

If you set the playing time cutoff lower then Belt and Horwitz slide in there with 1.1 and 1.0 WAR in like 28 games each.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Schneider

 

wRC+ Mar/Apr = 134

May = 136

June = 58

 

I could see giving him a day or two off to collect his thoughts but he should still be a starter, full-stop. He's been the #1 Blue Jay position player since his 2023 debut.

 

WAR since August 4 2023 (Schneider debut)

 

DS = 3.1

Varsho = 3.0

Vlad = 2.0

IKF = 1.8 (lol)

Springer = 1.8

DJ = 1.8 (only 237 PA)

Kirk = 1.5

Biggio = 1.2 (lol)

Clement = 0.9 (only 187 PA)

KK = 0.7

Bo = 0.7 (woooooooooofffffffffffffffffffff)

Turner = 0.2

Chapman = 0.0 (thanks for nothing ya bum)

Merrifield = -0.6 omfg why did they play this guy at all last year

 

If you set the playing time cutoff lower then Belt and Horwitz slide in there with 1.1 and 1.0 WAR in like 28 games each.

 

Agreed

 

Also, Bo is broken

[Brownie19]

Remember when people we losing their s*** a few weeks ago when Schneider didn't play, right before an off-day.

[Sorrow]

I was hanging out and watching the game with a few of my casual baseball fans. They watch a lot and know a lot about MLB teams but aren’t into sabr or the minors.

 

They all think Guerrero is a superstar lol. He’s basically been a Josh Naylor or Nathaniel Lowe since the start or 2022.

 

I don’t think his trade value is as high as a lot of fans will think it is, I also think if we could get him for 10/200-250 it’s probably a good investment from a marketing and fan perspective. He’s on pace for another 135 wRC+ season and 3.5 fWAR to go with his league worst base running and defence but this is what he did in 2022 and if it’s repeatable he becomes a really solid part of a team even if he doesn’t reach his full potential ever again. If you can’t sign him and can’t get a few good pieces for him the comp pick may be better than trading him for a bunch of questionable pieces.

 

I do think we will see Bichette moved though if he has a hot next 3 weeks, unless of course Toronto wins something like 17 of their next 20 games.

[Omar]

Schneider

 

wRC+ Mar/Apr = 134

May = 136

June = 58

 

I could see giving him a day or two off to collect his thoughts but he should still be a starter, full-stop. He's been the #1 Blue Jay position player since his 2023 debut.

 

WAR since August 4 2023 (Schneider debut)

 

DS = 3.1

Varsho = 3.0

Vlad = 2.0

IKF = 1.8 (lol)

Springer = 1.8

DJ = 1.8 (only 237 PA)

Kirk = 1.5

Biggio = 1.2 (lol)

Clement = 0.9 (only 187 PA)

KK = 0.7

Bo = 0.7 (woooooooooofffffffffffffffffffff)

Turner = 0.2

Chapman = 0.0 (thanks for nothing ya bum)

Merrifield = -0.6 omfg why did they play this guy at all last year

 

If you set the playing time cutoff lower then Belt and Horwitz slide in there with 1.1 and 1.0 WAR in like 28 games each.

 

Davis Schneider has barely over a 100 games at the major league level. No doubt he should have ample time to sort himself out but I'm a bit skeptical of his long term viability as an impact player. Trade him.

 

edit: I don't understand the Belt reference?

[Stangstag]

Remember when people we losing their s*** a few weeks ago when Schneider didn't play, right before an off-day.

 

Remember when people claimed Varsho turned a corner?? Remember when people said Romano was an elite closer and he’d be fine? Remember when people said Jansen should be DHing? That Turner should be sitting? That we wished Springer was injured?

 

Things change quick.

[BigCecil]

Remember when people claimed Varsho turned a corner?? Remember when people said Romano was an elite closer and he’d be fine? Remember when people said Jansen should be DHing? That Turner should be sitting? That we wished Springer was injured?

 

Things change quick.

 

So true. We are all guilty of very bad hot takes.

 

I thought Turner was cooked and he has battled back his last season 114 wRC+ number, coming out that brutal slump.

 

Varsho is now at 1.7 WAR down from his 2.1 high. I'm pretty comfortable with the under I took on 3.5

 

Jano was hot. Now he is not.

 

Swanson was the bomb, now he is in BUFF.

 

IKF has almost quadrupled his '23 WAR total and his bat is 30% over his career number. Career year?

 

Just reminds you how long this season it is, and how hard baseball is.

[glory]

IKF leads the team in WAR on June 29. If you told me before the season that Vlad would have a 140 wRC+ and IKF would have a 2 WAR heading into July, I would have felt pretty good about where the team was in the standings. Crazy how much bad happened this season, some expected, and some not expected.

[Brownie19]

Remember when people claimed Varsho turned a corner?? Remember when people said Romano was an elite closer and he’d be fine? Remember when people said Jansen should be DHing? That Turner should be sitting? That we wished Springer was injured?

 

Things change quick.

 

Point being that Schneider was slumping and hadn't been playing well for the last few weeks. Fans ripping the Manager/FO for giving Schneider a few days off was stupid. They may consider going back to starting him in "good matchups" like they did as the start of the year - as that produced the best results (even though fans also though that was stupid).

[Stangstag]

Point being that Schneider was slumping and hadn't been playing well for the last few weeks. Fans ripping the Manager/FO for giving Schneider a few days off was stupid. They may consider going back to starting him in "good matchups" like they did as the start of the year - as that produced the best results (even though fans also though that was stupid).

 

You’re right, i’d much rather be giving at bats to KK and Clement over DS. Nevermind the fact that he’s still 5th on the team in wRC+ and 2nd in ISO / 3rd in SLG %.

 

But sure he has 1 slump and now he’s reduced to a platoon guy, great thinking!

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah they made a deal with Swiss Chalet to get out of Ontario and that Swiss Chalet would stay out of Quebec.

 

There are still some in Ottawa like Omar said though.

 

If true, illegal deal

[hanton]

small victories

 

[Spanky99]

small victories

 

 

Why just AL?

[hanton]

Why just AL?

 

that's the WC standings

[Spanky99]

that's the WC standings

 

Oh, I thought there was an emphasis on our draft pick?

[hanton]

Oh, I thought there was an emphasis on our draft pick?

 

haha no, ahead of the worst run teams in the al

[Brownie19]

You’re right, i’d much rather be giving at bats to KK and Clement over DS. Nevermind the fact that he’s still 5th on the team in wRC+ and 2nd in ISO / 3rd in SLG %.

 

But sure he has 1 slump and now he’s reduced to a platoon guy, great thinking!

 

He's now at a 101 wRC+. He came out of nowhere and I think there's a decent chance he's not a starter at the ML level. I'm not saying I'd put him on the short side of a platoon, but I'd be looking to playing him in favorable matchups until he gets it turned around. I still want him starting say 4-5 times a week.

 

He may optimally be a 400-500 PA utility guy.

[Masterbather]

While it's always fun to win, is there anybody here that sees any value in winning at this point?

 

Surely we are all in on the highest possible pick? Or are there still some holdouts?

 

It'll be tough to fall into the bottom 2 (excluding the White Sox and Oakland of course), but the Angels are catchable if we start trading some players. It's still way too easy to slip out the bottom 10.

Edited July 8, 2024 by Masterbather

[L54]

While it's always fun to win, is there anybody here that sees any value in winning at this point?

 

Surely we are all in on the highest possible pick? Or are there still some holdouts?

 

No, I would not care if they lost every game the rest of the year. I honestly wouldn’t. I am anxious to see how the trade deadline plays out, and then see if Atkins is still around after the season. The rest of it is just noise at this point

[Olerud363]

He's now at a 101 wRC+. He came out of nowhere and I think there's a decent chance he's not a starter at the ML level. I'm not saying I'd put him on the short side of a platoon, but I'd be looking to playing him in favorable matchups until he gets it turned around. I still want him starting say 4-5 times a week.

 

He may optimally be a 400-500 PA utility guy.

 

That's about the right number of PAs for what he is right now. That is also enough PAs that he has a chance to show he is better.

[Brownie19]

That's about the right number of PAs for what he is right now. That is also enough PAs that he has a chance to show he is better.

 

That's what I was thinking. He can earn more playing time with good play, but I think he's back to the point he has to earn it again.

[John_Havok]

While it's always fun to win, is there anybody here that sees any value in winning at this point?

 

Surely we are all in on the highest possible pick? Or are there still some holdouts?

 

It'll be tough to fall into the bottom 2 (excluding the White Sox and Oakland of course), but the Angels are catchable if we start trading some players. It's still way too easy to slip out the bottom 10.

 

It's delusional to think the team can make a run at the WC at this point so trading guys like Kikuchi, Yimi, Richards etc just makes sense.

 

I'm not sold on trading a guy like Bo unless someone pays full sticker price, but if that deal comes along...then hell yes.

 

I wouldn't trade Vlad though unless someone overpays. He's too valuable for off-field reasons, and the hope of him eventually pulling his head out of his ass and returning to even a 35+ HR threat is real enough to keep him around.

 

I cant fathom a Springer deal being possible for obvious reasons, but Gausman and Bassit are moveable.

[Terminator]

While it's always fun to win, is there anybody here that sees any value in winning at this point?

 

Surely we are all in on the highest possible pick? Or are there still some holdouts?

 

It'll be tough to fall into the bottom 2 (excluding the White Sox and Oakland of course), but the Angels are catchable if we start trading some players. It's still way too easy to slip out the bottom 10.

 

Well, I don't really care if we win per se. But, I do want:

 

-All pending FAs to play extremely well to help their trade value

-Vlad to ball out to either make it worth extending him or to pump his trade value up

-Bo to start hitting so we can trade him

-Springer to keep it up, he's got another pricey two years left

-The Buffalo Boys to play well to show that they can be pieces moving forward

-Kirk and Varsho to show that they can be starters over the final 3 years of control

-Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt to pitch well so they can be productive members of the team to round out their deals or pump up their trade value

-Green, Pearson, Little and anyone else in the bullpen with a pulse to pitch well so we don't have to find 8 new relievers in the offseason

 

All of that will lead to wins and would be better for the franchise moving forward then picking a little bit higher. We can just hope for the lottery to fall our way in that regard anyway.

[wilko]

Well, I don't really care if we win per se. But, I do want:

 

-All pending FAs to play extremely well to help their trade value

-Vlad to ball out to either make it worth extending him or to pump his trade value up

-Bo to start hitting so we can trade him

-Springer to keep it up, he's got another pricey two years left

-The Buffalo Boys to play well to show that they can be pieces moving forward

-Kirk and Varsho to show that they can be starters over the final 3 years of control

-Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt to pitch well so they can be productive members of the team to round out their deals or pump up their trade value

-Green, Pearson, Little and anyone else in the bullpen with a pulse to pitch well so we don't have to find 8 new relievers in the offseason

 

All of that will lead to wins and would be better for the franchise moving forward then picking a little bit higher. We can just hope for the lottery to fall our way in that regard anyway.

 

Playoffs will be easy to make.

[BatFlip]

Playoffs will be easy to make.

 

Cruel.

[glory]

Wins aren’t as important as team direction. If the team has already internally decided to sell at least the impending FAs and use the rest of 2024 on the prospects, then they can win or lose as much as they want. It is ultimately irrelevant, especially with the draft lottery now. I’d rather the prospects look good and if leads to wins then that might be a good thing for future teams, but if they end up losing 95 games then so be it. I just don’t want to watch an old, expensive, bad team.