General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Stangstag]

In 6 innings over 8 games Trevor Richards' ERA has gone from 2.44 to 4.83

 

Great timing too

[glory]

0.7 WAR, 219 IP, 4.79 ERA, 4.26 FIP

 

Richards as a Blue Jay over the last 3.5 years. Let's just be thankful he doesn't have any arb years left.

[Krylian]

Great timing too

 

[Terminator]

Great timing too

 

That ******* was going to get us a 50 FV at the deadline and now we'll be lucky to get a ham sandwich for him. This season sucks.

[Terminator]

0.7 WAR, 219 IP, 4.79 ERA, 4.26 FIP

 

Richards as a Blue Jay over the last 3.5 years. Let's just be thankful he doesn't have any arb years left.

 

He always looks so solid for 2/3 of the year and then he just has a disastrous month and it tanks his numbers.

[Carlos Danger]

He always looks so solid for 2/3 of the year and then he just has a disastrous month and it tanks his numbers.

 

It's not just bad luck. The Blue Jays over used his ass since they don't have depth in other areas.

 

Not a coincidence he started sucking after the Jays used him like a rented mule the first half.

[Laika]

I don't think that's the case really

 

He has a s***** fastball and a wicked changeup

 

He is unhittable when the changeup is dialed in and he is batting practice when it isn't

[Carlos Danger]

So if you look at IP and pitches thrown among RPs, Richards is top 10. A lot of the "RPs" ahead of him on the list have been SPs this year for a few games. Richards is well used regardless if that is the crux of his issues.

 

I suspect the fact he was really good then fell off a cliff, does go to fatigue.... Maybe not, but I do think it is a factor anyway.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Richards was the BP arm I was most worried about going into the season.

 

Didn't expect the the whole entire bullpen to s*** the bed.

[Terminator]

So if you look at IP and pitches thrown among RPs, Richards is top 10. A lot of the "RPs" ahead of him on the list have been SPs this year for a few games. Richards is well used regardless if that is the crux of his issues.

 

I suspect the fact he was really good then fell off a cliff, does go to fatigue.... Maybe not, but I do think it is a factor anyway.

 

There could be something to that. Last year they were using him as a 3 inning starter and everything and he was lights out until late August. He had a 2.93 ERA in 55 IP on August 22.

 

The final month and a half he imploded and ended up with a season ERA close to 5.

[Orgfiller]

So if you look at IP and pitches thrown among RPs, Richards is top 10. A lot of the "RPs" ahead of him on the list have been SPs this year for a few games. Richards is well used regardless if that is the crux of his issues.

 

I suspect the fact he was really good then fell off a cliff, does go to fatigue.... Maybe not, but I do think it is a factor anyway.

 

I mean he's a smoke and mirrors guy that throws 92-93, it's not exactly irresponsible to be over using him. Former starter, doesn't get injured all that often, doesn't throw hard, is generally mediocre so it's not like you're saving him for high leverage. Trevor Richards is perfectly cromulent.

[Brownie19]

I mean he's a smoke and mirrors guy that throws 92-93, it's not exactly irresponsible to be over using him. Former starter, doesn't get injured all that often, doesn't throw hard, is generally mediocre so it's not like you're saving him for high leverage. Trevor Richards is perfectly cromulent.

 

This is spot on.

[Governator]

Then why did Teoscar Hernandez, a guy who has now hit for 130+ wRC+ in 4 of the last 5 seasons, only manage to land a 1-year deal last season?

 

Why is Brandon Belt, who hit for a 138 wRC+ last season, sitting at home this year with no buyers?

 

Both of those guys can play DH on any team in the league.

 

You fail to realize that as soon as you say "this guy will play DH for me", the barometer for what is required out of the bat skyrockets before it becomes logically sound to commit a back-breaking term/AAV to that player. A 10-year, $300+ million contract on your payroll immediately strains your financial flexibility. It only begins to make sense to take on that type of contract if the 1B/DH player in question is a shoe-in 150+ wRC+ hitter year in and year our. Nobody is committing that to a "very good, sometimes elite" 1B/DH hitter. Why? Because there are lots of hitters available who I can stick at DH on a 1-3 year deal. Marcell Ozuna is signed to a 4-year, $65M deal. Teoscar signed for 1 year, $20M. Kyle Schwarber got 4 years, $79M at age 28/29. And here is the real kicker: as a ~25 year old, Yordan Alvarez signed a 6-year extension for just $115M. That is peanuts for a hitter of his caliber, and the guy was in his mid 20's.

 

You are also being facetious by bringing up Ohtani. He only plays DH because he has also been pitching (the value of which was also equated into his $70M AAV contract). But even if Ohtani was only a DH and never pitched again - he has been one of the ~3 best hitters in all of baseball over the past 4 seasons. So he falls into a unicorn category, which hopefully we're all smart enough to understand that Vlad Guerrero unfortunately hasn't even come close to proving he is also a part of.

 

 

 

The whole point of my post was that NL teams can now take advantage of the DH for backend of contracts that at least lowers some risk. It means long term 1B deals are not really as comparible as the past or at least the next 10 years would likely have more to compare to.

 

Why did you just bring up a 36yr old platoon left handed bat to compare to Vlad? Yeah, a guy who gets in under 100 games a year and is nearing the end of his career is going to have a tough time finding a job most offseasons.

[MikeM3]

Trade all RPs for nothing. Zach Pop closer. Jays tank to bottom 3. Atkins canned and new gm makes pick. Perfection

[Carlos Danger]

Last time the Rangers are here, when we had a better team, they destroyed us, like a serious beatdown/sweep.

[Laika]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/blue-jays-trade-rumors-vladimir-guerrero-jr-chris-bassitt-rebuild-reset.html

 

Anyone have access to this

[Jays24]

Season ticket date has passed for the Jays. Since Shatkins are still here, can I assume the renewal rate wasn't that bad?

[hanton]

It's official...

 

Ricky Tiedemann To Undergo Tommy John Surgery

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/ricky-tiedemann-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery.html

[Krylian]

It's official...

 

Ricky Tiedemann To Undergo Tommy John Surgery

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/ricky-tiedemann-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery.html

 

We are all completely shocked

[Krylian]

This has to be one of the worst seasons (across all facets of the organization) that this team has ever had. Just a complete disaster

[G-Snarls]

It's official...

 

Ricky Tiedemann To Undergo Tommy John Surgery

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/ricky-tiedemann-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery.html

 

s***** timing

 

So he won't be ready for any action until spring training 2026 I presume

 

Maybe a fall league next year if all goes great?

[bluejaysinternNo5]

I’m really surprised they didn’t trade Ricky T last winter. Most obvious Tommy John surgery ever.

[Krylian]

I’m really surprised they didn’t trade Ricky T last winter. Most obvious Tommy John surgery ever.

 

No sane person would've given up on RT that soon.

[Daniel Labude]

s***** timing

 

So he won't be ready for any action until spring training 2026 I presume

 

Maybe a fall league next year if all goes great?

 

 

Every person in the FO needs to go asap

[Daniel Labude]

This has to be one of the worst seasons (across all facets of the organization) that this team has ever had. Just a complete disaster

 

Ready for Ernie Clement the closer for the last 2 months of the season lmao

[Carlos Danger]

Every person in the FO needs to go asap

 

I am leading the charge of the fire Shapiro and Atkins. However, can't blame them for the TJ.

 

I will say, if they had a possibility to beat the Yankee's offer for Soto and they didn't because they didn't want to give up Ricky T, then yea, big f*** up.

[max silver]

Every person in the FO needs to go asap

 

This would help Tiedemann stay healthy in the future?

[bluejaysinternNo5]

No sane person would've given up on RT that soon.

 

Trading him isn’t giving up on him. It’s just trading a higher ceiling for a guaranteed MLB player.

[Daniel Labude]

I am leading the charge of the fire Shapiro and Atkins. However, can't blame them for the TJ.

 

I will say, if they had a possibility to beat the Yankee's offer for Soto and they didn't because they didn't want to give up Ricky T, then yea, big f*** up.

 

I mean

 

Tiedemann

Manoah

Barriera

Maroudis

Romano

Bo's calfs

Votto's ankles

Springer for 3 years

Orelvis being stupid

Andres Arias

 

At some point they have to be doing something wrong lmao

[max silver]

I am leading the charge of the fire Shapiro and Atkins. However, can't blame them for the TJ.

 

I will say, if they had a possibility to beat the Yankee's offer for Soto and they didn't because they didn't want to give up Ricky T, then yea, big f*** up.

 

Even knowing that I still wouldn't trade an elite starting pitching prospect for a rental player, no matter how good the rental.