General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Stangstag]

where is dante bichette

 

Rumors are that he is unvaccinated. It would make sense why we haven’t seen him at all.

[Laika]

If you weight it by playing time your team will always peak around age 27. Just weight the 20 year old that is barely playing, or still in aa, 0. Mike Trout and Carlos Beltran had their combined peak at 27 in 2012, when Trout was 20 and Beltran 34.

 

Look at the question this way. Every group of players has a year when they are expected to peak together. For Ryan Tapia and Babe Ruth that would be around 1923. What year were Chapman/Gurriel/Guerrero/Bichette/Kirk and Hernandez expected to peak if you modelled it pre-season?

 

Maybe the projection System already had them peaking in 2021.

 

Why would anybody model that? You care about the sum of player performances.

[goldbug103]

I think it's reasonable to ask sort of dumb questions and get the smarter people thinking. Like if I was Rogers I'd be like "How come this Vlad guy had .600 slugging last year and is .400 this year. Why'd he hit a groundball with the bases loaded and the Goldie guy got it in the air no problem"

 

And they'd be like 'Well in the long run Goldie hits grounders too... and it's a long season... and... well there is a bit of truth in what you say. Vladdy's grounder rate is higher then we'd like this year. We should get the swing mechanic guys to take a closer look."

 

I thought that being overweight was one reason affecting the launch angle. Once fixed, he started hitting line drives (2021). The chronic launch angle syndrome affecting Vlad is truly puzzling. Maybe it canÂ’t be fixed, very doubtful, or thereÂ’s undisclosed injury (he did get hit by a pitch in the hand/wrist area). I sure hope things change and fast.

[TwistedLogic]

Borucki is on the team because the FO has a calculated strategy of not investing much in the bullpen.

 

The Yankees are spending nothing on Cortes, King, Holmes, Green, Peralta and Loaisiga. They're spending a ton of Chapman, who looks like a total f***ing bum.

 

The big-ticket guy everyone wanted for the Jays this past offseason was Iglesias. He's got a 4.02 ERA and has already lost two games for the Angels. He's got the same 1-2 record as Romano and a worse ERA. Another guy with a 1-2 record is Liam Hendriks, who was the best RP in baseball over the last three seasons and also costs a s*** load of money.

 

Iglesias and Hendriks' two losses are tied with Cimber, Romano, Merryweather and Thornton. The only guy on the Jays with more losses is Garcia, with 3. So these super expensive, top-tier relievers have given up the inopportune run the same number of times as the Jays guys have.

 

The relievers I wanted the Jays to get the most this offseason were McHugh and Melancon. McHugh has been bad and Melancon has been trash.

 

Building a bullpen has nothing to do with how much you spend on it. It has almost everything to do with a little bit of scouting and a lot bit of sheer dumb luck.

[Terminator]

Using W-L to evaluate SPs is bad enough but using it for Closers? Wow

[Eat My Shatkins]

The Yankees are spending nothing on Cortes, King, Holmes, Green, Peralta and Loaisiga. They're spending a ton of Chapman, who looks like a total f***ing bum.

 

The big-ticket guy everyone wanted for the Jays this past offseason was Iglesias. He's got a 4.02 ERA and has already lost two games for the Angels. He's got the same 1-2 record as Romano and a worse ERA. Another guy with a 1-2 record is Liam Hendriks, who was the best RP in baseball over the last three seasons and also costs a s*** load of money.

 

Iglesias and Hendriks' two losses are tied with Cimber, Romano, Merryweather and Thornton. The only guy on the Jays with more losses is Garcia, with 3. So these super expensive, top-tier relievers have given up the inopportune run the same number of times as the Jays guys have.

 

The relievers I wanted the Jays to get the most this offseason were McHugh and Melancon. McHugh has been bad and Melancon has been trash.

 

Building a bullpen has nothing to do with how much you spend on it. It has almost everything to do with a little bit of scouting and a lot bit of sheer dumb luck.

 

Yeah high leverage relievers are always so tempting to want to pay for in the off season, but it's such a crap shoot with relievers.

 

Hopefully the average to s***** BP the Jays always trot out corrects itself from within over the next couple of seasons. There are a s*** ton of intriguing arms in the system and our starting rotation is pretty set for a while.

[JFD]

[connorp]

 

What’s Chapman been getting a lot of sun?

[JaysAllMighty]

Yikes

 

[connorp]

Yikes

 

 

If it’s not a troll post, what are chances they shut down Toronto?

[connorp]

Ah. Won’t come to that since they’re not there

[Olerud363]

Why would anybody model that? You care about the sum of player performances.

 

They already model that because they model how each individual player would do. Not sure what you are trying to get at. All I'm saying is that it's unusual for a group of players to under-perform when they are all between 23-29.

 

Individually you'd expect those over 27 to decline a bit, those under to improve. As a group you'd expect the sum of their value to either increase a bit from 2021 to 2022, or decrease just a bit (as the older players lose a bit, or the players having good 2021s regress a bitg). What's happened is unusual given their ages.

 

Like In 2016 with Donaldson, Tulo, Edwin, Bautista, Pillar, Travis and others.... it wasn't unnusual that they declined as a group.. because as a group they were older.

[Omar]

Yikes

 

 

Good heavens!

[TwistedLogic]

If it’s not a troll post

 

lol

[connorp]

lol

 

This board has a strong history of not fact checking tweets/weeding out satire accounts. Anytime BTS posts a tweet, take with a grain of salt

[Laika]

They already model that because they model how each individual player would do. Not sure what you are trying to get at. All I'm saying is that it's unusual for a group of players to under-perform when they are all between 23-29.

 

Individually you'd expect those over 27 to decline a bit, those under to improve. As a group you'd expect the sum of their value to either increase a bit from 2021 to 2022, or decrease just a bit (as the older players lose a bit, or the players having good 2021s regress a bitg). What's happened is unusual given their ages.

 

Like In 2016 with Donaldson, Tulo, Edwin, Bautista, Pillar, Travis and others.... it wasn't unnusual that they declined as a group.. because as a group they were older.

 

Well I don't think we are seeing DECLINE from guys like Bo and Vlad. What we are seeing is VARIANCE.

[Spanky99]

What’s Chapman been getting a lot of sun?

 

He's injured.

[connorp]

He's injured.

 

My turn to say whoosh… it was a picture of Teo whiffing with reckless abandon… so I said it looked like Chapman got a lot of sun (to be black)

 

All spelled out for you mate

[Spanky99]

My turn to say whoosh… it was a picture of Teo whiffing with reckless abandon… so I said it looked like Chapman got a lot of sun (to be black)

 

All spelled out for you mate

 

I got that, ya dingleberry. Just saying the big lefty is injured. Stupid comment, regardless.

[Bilal40]

This team will only win 90+ games when MLB allows the bluejays managers and coaching staff to win 90+ games. When MLB does not allow it the bluejays managers and coaching staff try there best to lose games on purpose so the bluejays won't get to 90+ wins. The batters and pitchers are not involved. The batters and pitchers try there best to win games. Last year was an abnormal, weird and not normal season for the bluejays because they played 80% of their home games in minor league ball parks in buffalo and Florida. That's why MLB allowed the bluejays managers and coaching staff to win 90+ games in 2021. So I won't count last season record. Edited May 25, 2022 by Bilal40

[Bilal40]

So since 1993 the bluejays have only one 90+ win season which happened in 2015. This tells me that the bluejays managers and coaching staff are very corrupt because they try to lose games on purpose. Please read all of my first message as well so you can understand what I am talking about. Edited May 25, 2022 by Bilal40

[connorp]

I got that, ya dingleberry. Just saying the big lefty is injured. Stupid comment, regardless.

 

So says the mods’ puppet boy. Ok

[Spanky99]

So says the mods’ puppet boy. Ok

 

f*** off, lol... we all know you're racist, bro. I've been banned far more than your, baldass 3 foot being.

[Dagagad]

The Yankees are spending nothing on Cortes, King, Holmes, Green, Peralta and Loaisiga. They're spending a ton of Chapman, who looks like a total f***ing bum.

 

The big-ticket guy everyone wanted for the Jays this past offseason was Iglesias. He's got a 4.02 ERA and has already lost two games for the Angels. He's got the same 1-2 record as Romano and a worse ERA. Another guy with a 1-2 record is Liam Hendriks, who was the best RP in baseball over the last three seasons and also costs a s*** load of money.

 

Iglesias and Hendriks' two losses are tied with Cimber, Romano, Merryweather and Thornton. The only guy on the Jays with more losses is Garcia, with 3. So these super expensive, top-tier relievers have given up the inopportune run the same number of times as the Jays guys have.

 

The relievers I wanted the Jays to get the most this offseason were McHugh and Melancon. McHugh has been bad and Melancon has been trash.

 

Building a bullpen has nothing to do with how much you spend on it. It has almost everything to do with a little bit of scouting and a lot bit of sheer dumb luck.

 

It’s not just how much you spend in free agency, it’s all the way down the org from your pitching philosophy, developing swing and miss pitchers, trades you are willing to make and spending in free agency. The Yankees seem to have a philosophy of always having a good pen and do all of the above.

 

For a different approach, look at the rays dealing a pretty good short stop for two relievers with great stuff last year quite early.

 

I’m not even necessarily criticizing the front office. Our bullpen projected to be average before the start of the season. Our front office knows that, and they obviously are ok with that. The Yankees and the rays aren’t. It’s a different philosophical approach but it’s real. I don’t see any reason to not call that as it is.

 

This year, we are starting to see a lot more swing and miss in the minors so as soon as next year, maybe things will change. I don’t think this FO will ever spend big in relief in free agency and they possibly won’t ever give big trade assets to gain relief pitching. Which is fine but is also real.

[InsideThePark]

So since 1993 the bluejays have only one 90+ win season which happened in 2015. This tells me that the bluejays managers and coaching staff are very corrupt because they try to lose games on purpose.

 

Welcome to 2022. I know you're a few years behind but the Jays won 91 games in 2021.

[saskjayfan]

So since 1993 the bluejays have only one 90+ win season which happened in 2015. This tells me that the bluejays managers and coaching staff are very corrupt because they try to lose games on purpose.

 

It's OK you can stop posting under this screen name and add a 7th different account to post ridiculous inaccurate stuff under.

[Spanky99]

Yikes

 

 

Hahaha... this guy's a troll, he gets bites all the time though. He comes up on twitter quite often when I open up the main page, didn't click at first.

 

Connor's right on the fake news.

[Bilal40]

Welcome to 2022. I know you're a few years behind but the Jays won 91 games in 2021.

 

please read both of my messages before this reply. In my first message I did mention the bluejays won 90+ games in 2021. Please read the whole first message so you can find out what I am talking about.

[Spanky99]

please read both of my messages before this reply. In my first message I did mention the bluejays won 90+ games in 2021. Please read the whole first message so you can find out what I am talking about.

 

Were you born in 1940?

[Deadpool]

This team will only win 90+ games when MLB allows the bluejays managers and coaching staff to win 90+ games. When MLB does not allow it the bluejays managers and coaching staff try there best to lose games on purpose so the bluejays won't get to 90+ wins. The batters and pitchers are not involved. The batters and pitchers try there best to win games. Last year was an abnormal, weird and not normal season for the bluejays because they played 80% of their home games in minor league ball parks in buffalo and Florida. That's why MLB allowed the bluejays managers and coaching staff to win 90+ games in 2021. So I won't count last season record.

 

Do... you think that the MLB hires the Blue Jays coaches?

 

I don't know why I'm engaging with this when I can just post this: