Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[L54]

Joey Gallo anyone?

 

I think Joey Gallo is playing with fire. So many ways to get burned!

[Bturn2210]

anyone able to post George Springer info from Passan's latest? https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/30568689/what-jeff-passan-hearing-new-homes-george-springer-nolan-arenado

[Vdubfan]

PASSAN - Springer might be the most fascinating of all because of the teams vying for his services: the New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays. There are others, too, but executives believe this is a two-team race between the duo seen as the likely biggest spenders this winter.

 

Certainly this benefits Springer; bidding wars these days are few and far between. But Springer also understands that there are scenarios in which both teams go in another direction. The Blue Jays, sources said, have emerged as significant players in the LeMahieu sweepstakes -- perhaps the biggest threat to him re-signing with the New York Yankees, with whom a significant gap remains. The Mets also have expressed interest in LeMahieu. New York is seen by a number of executives as the best landing spot for Bauer. Both the Mets and Jays are seen as potential trade targets for Francisco Lindor, as well, though Toronto is the likelier partner. And as Joel Sherman suggested in the New York Post, the idea of the Mets staying out of the high-end market altogether and building depth before the monster free-agent class of 2021-22 isn't far-fetched.

 

Wherever Springer (and Bauer and LeMahieu and Realmuto for that matter) winds up, it won't be for some paltry sum. Even if the market is slow, one thing that hasn't changed about free agency is that the best players always get paid and paid handsomely.

[G-Snarls]

F'n Mets. New rich owner plus a 20 million dollar gift from Robinson Cano...

[glory]

LeMahieu's camp is probably using the Jays to get more from the Yankees, but who knows. No other team wanted to go 4 years for Ryu, and Atkins did. If he's fine with offering 5 years, and that's too much for the Yankees, then there could be a chance. Not sure I'd want DJ on a 5 year deal, but that's likely the only way the Jays even have a shot to lure him from the Yanks. Springer seems more likely.

[connorp]

LeMahieu's camp is probably using the Jays to get more from the Yankees, but who knows. No other team wanted to go 4 years for Ryu, and Atkins did. If he's fine with offering 5 years, and that's too much for the Yankees, then there could be a chance. Not sure I'd want DJ on a 5 year deal, but that's likely the only way the Jays even have a shot to lure him from the Yanks. Springer seems more likely.

 

I’d rather go 6 instead of 5 for Springer than 5 instead of 4 for DJL

Power usually goes last

[Spanky99]

PASSAN - Springer might be the most fascinating of all because of the teams vying for his services: the New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays. There are others, too, but executives believe this is a two-team race between the duo seen as the likely biggest spenders this winter.

 

Certainly this benefits Springer; bidding wars these days are few and far between. But Springer also understands that there are scenarios in which both teams go in another direction. The Blue Jays, sources said, have emerged as significant players in the LeMahieu sweepstakes -- perhaps the biggest threat to him re-signing with the New York Yankees, with whom a significant gap remains. The Mets also have expressed interest in LeMahieu. New York is seen by a number of executives as the best landing spot for Bauer. Both the Mets and Jays are seen as potential trade targets for Francisco Lindor, as well, though Toronto is the likelier partner. And as Joel Sherman suggested in the New York Post, the idea of the Mets staying out of the high-end market altogether and building depth before the monster free-agent class of 2021-22 isn't far-fetched.

 

Wherever Springer (and Bauer and LeMahieu and Realmuto for that matter) winds up, it won't be for some paltry sum. Even if the market is slow, one thing that hasn't changed about free agency is that the best players always get paid and paid handsomely.

 

Thanks for sharing, damn man, Birds swinging big, this is great news.

[wilko]

I’d rather go 6 instead of 5 for Springer than 5 instead of 4 for DJL

Power usually goes last

 

I'd give Springer 3 years. He's going to fall off a cliff after that. If they sign him to 5/6 years that's going to be an ugly contract.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd give Springer 3 years. He's going to fall off a cliff after that. If they sign him to 5/6 years that's going to be an ugly contract.

 

With FA like Springer, gotta take the good with the bad (later years).

[G-Snarls]

Thanks for sharing, damn man, Birds swinging big, this is great news.

 

Theyre aiming high, for sure. If we could get either Springer or LeMahieu I'd be ecstatic

[G-Snarls]

Is Cashman just pretending they're poor all of a sudden to help negotiations or do the Yankees really want to cut payroll??

 

Every interview with him this off season he sounds like he's managing the Pirates or something

 

I don't think I've ever seen the Yankees lose a player to free agency that they really wanted to keep. They seem willing to let Tanaka walk but they clearly want to keep Lemahieu.

[Brownie19]

I'd give Springer 3 years. He's going to fall off a cliff after that. If they sign him to 5/6 years that's going to be an ugly contract.

 

You're going to need to be a little more risk adverse man.

[Jays24]

You're going to need to be a little more risk adverse man.

 

Pretty much this. When Springer does fall off, he can move to a corner OF position to finish out the contract.

[connorp]

Pretty much this. When Springer does fall off, he can move to a corner OF position to finish out the contract.

 

Exactly. His bat plays there just fine, not like his value is dependent on his CF defense. Power and eye (walks) goes after that. He should be fine. Obviously it’d be great to give him a 3 year deal but it doesn’t work that way for guys like him

[G-Snarls]

Pretty much this. When Springer does fall off, he can move to a corner OF position to finish out the contract.

 

I've said this before. His skill set should age fairly well.

[connorp]

I’m surprised FG doesn’t take the next step for projection junkies and project like 5 years out.

[Spanky99]

I’m surprised FG doesn’t take the next step for projection junkies and project like 5 years out.

 

That's what ZIPS does on their site. Well, for 3 years anyhow.

[BTS]

I don't feel super great about a long term Springer contract. He always seems to be battling injuries, and that seems unlikely to change now at 31. I don't really trust the OF defense to hold up very long. I'd feel much better about Bauer, Realmuto, or Lindor extension.

[Spanky99]

I don't feel super great about a long term Springer contract. He always seems to be battling injuries, and that seems unlikely to change now at 31. I don't really trust the OF defense to hold up very long. I'd feel much better about Bauer, Realmuto, or Lindor extension.

 

I'm pretty sure that's what Wilko meant(health), other than that you guys are dumn. I'd be happy with any of that happening, including Springer.

[z3r0s]

I do like Bauer the best of them all as I think our staff could benefit the most from an upgrade. I don't mind Springs tho, especially if you could augment it with Kim who we could try out in the OF without him being expected to be a starter.

[Jays24]

I don't feel super great about a long term Springer contract. He always seems to be battling injuries, and that seems unlikely to change now at 31. I don't really trust the OF defense to hold up very long. I'd feel much better about Bauer, Realmuto, or Lindor extension.

 

I feel Springer is the domino that would make the Lindor acquisition easier so for that reason, he's the one I want.

 

I've ranted about upgrading our CF and SS defense all offseason and these two make that happen, not to mention they'll bat in the top 3rd of the order.

 

I wonder how a poll would turn out if we had to pick one of Springer, Bauer, Realmuto and DJL at their projected contracts.

[Laika]

I don't feel super great about a long term Springer contract. He always seems to be battling injuries, and that seems unlikely to change now at 31. I don't really trust the OF defense to hold up very long. I'd feel much better about Bauer, Realmuto, or Lindor extension.

 

When I think about long term investments in players I tend to make a mental list of weak points. The more there are, the less I want to commit. For Springer:

 

- Never been a workhorse. Injury risk?

- Some performance questions going forward (cheater)

- Not a great defender

- Already over 31

 

He's a very well-rounded player and the sum of his parts has been very good, but there are a few small cracks that could become big issues.

 

But these are also all reasons that his contract could end up as quite reasonable. He projects for ~4 WAR... is there really a huge amount of risk on say a $110M contract? How big does the deal have to be before it's a turn off?

[connorp]

When I think about long term investments in players I tend to make a mental list of weak points. The more there are, the less I want to commit. For Springer:

 

- Never been a workhorse. Injury risk?

- Some performance questions going forward (cheater)

- Not a great defender

- Already over 31

 

He's a very well-rounded player and the sum of his parts has been very good, but there are a few small cracks that could become big issues.

 

But these are also all reasons that his contract could end up as quite reasonable. He projects for ~4 WAR... is there really a huge amount of risk on say a $110M contract? How big does the deal have to be before it's a turn off?

 

1) Mild perhaps but nothing alarming

2) Same Springer in 2020

3) At 31 you should be more concerned on what he does after CF

4) If he was 28 he’d be signing a 10 year deal

[connorp]

That said, nobody is a slam dunk. But 5/125 type stuff is right in Jays wheelhouse.

[The Iceman]

I feel Springer is the domino that would make the Lindor acquisition easier so for that reason, he's the one I want.

 

I've ranted about upgrading our CF and SS defense all offseason and these two make that happen, not to mention they'll bat in the top 3rd of the order.

 

I wonder how a poll would turn out if we had to pick one of Springer, Bauer, Realmuto and DJL at their projected contracts.

 

Problem being we completely blow our budget with those 2 transactions.

Is the + of Springer over Grishit in CF

+ of Lindor over Bichette at SS

worth prospect capital, draft pick compensation and $50+ million/season

[BTS]

When I think about long term investments in players I tend to make a mental list of weak points. The more there are, the less I want to commit. For Springer:

 

- Never been a workhorse. Injury risk?

- Some performance questions going forward (cheater)

- Not a great defender

- Already over 31

 

He's a very well-rounded player and the sum of his parts has been very good, but there are a few small cracks that could become big issues.

 

But these are also all reasons that his contract could end up as quite reasonable. He projects for ~4 WAR... is there really a huge amount of risk on say a $110M contract? How big does the deal have to be before it's a turn off?

 

I wouldn't criticize that contract, especially if it's the best opportunity for the team to land an impact player. I guess I'm just saying that I have more reservations about him than I do about the Lindor/Realmuto/Bauer at what I'm expecting them to sign for.

[glory]

I feel Springer is the domino that would make the Lindor acquisition easier so for that reason, he's the one I want.

 

I've ranted about upgrading our CF and SS defense all offseason and these two make that happen, not to mention they'll bat in the top 3rd of the order.

 

I wonder how a poll would turn out if we had to pick one of Springer, Bauer, Realmuto and DJL at their projected contracts.

 

I'll never say never but the chances of the Jays signing Springer, trading assets for Lindor, and then extending Lindor for a decade seem very, very small. That's a lot of payroll tied up to two players, one who is already in his 30's and the other who (on a 10 year deal) would still have 5 expensive years left on his deal when Vlad/Bo/Biggio are free agents. I could see one or the other but both seems very unrealistic, and would have a high likelihood of looking bad in a few years.

[L54]

I highly doubt they sign Springer and extend Lindor. It'll be one or the other, not both.

 

I'd prefer Springer at 5/125 than Lindor at 8/240

[Orgfiller]

Problem being we completely blow our budget with those 2 transactions.

Is the + of Springer over Grishit in CF

+ of Lindor over Bichette at SS

worth prospect capital, draft pick compensation and $50+ million/season

 

By projections:

Springer -> Grichuk is a 2 win improvement

Bichette -> Lindor at SS is a 1 win improvement

3B Black Hole/Replacement Level -> Bichette is a 4 win improvement

 

The team already projects to be 6th among position player WAR. Making those two moves means we'd project to have the best position player group in the entire league. Heck just the Lindor acquisition would boost our non-pitcher WAR projection to be the same as the Dodgers.

 

Lindor + Springer means we'd project to have the second most WAR in the league and that's assuming zero additions to the pitching staff, which understandably projects to be mediocre.

[L54]

Springer

Kim

Shoemaker/Walker/Wood

Archie Bradley

 

This is the type of offseason I'm expecting from the Jays. Things change if they don't get Kim, but I think he is a valuable piece that creates a bunch of depth and won't cost a fortune.