Jays acquire Chase Anderson

[Orgfiller]

 

Chisholm seems to think that the Jays are putting it out there that Anderson is more likely to be a backend rotation piece but he doesn't seem 100 percent certain. I think the payroll is low enough and their seats are warm enough that Shatkins will be bringing in guys better than Anderson for the front end.

 

I mean for as much as people make fun of Atkins for saying some of the players he acquires he believes have good potential, Anderson is a soon-to-be 32 year old FIP beater with a boring but consistent repertoire so they're not gonna play the idiot card and say they think there's more to him than that. It's a nice boring move to boost the floor of the rotation which I like, but of course it'll only be truly exciting if this move is followed by adding a big name starter later on.

[Ray]

The Brewers also declined Eric Thames option for next season so he’s a free agent.

 

Bring him home?

[Brownie19]

Why do you guys think we can win with a rotation of mid level guys. The current WS featured 5 aces if not 6

 

If we want to win we have to find top of the rotation talent. Are we going to do that giving starts to chase anderson and jake oddrizi or any of the other crap

 

Nope. No point in this

 

holy f*** you're insufferable. What do you get out of trolling non stop?

[Orgfiller]

The Brewers also declined Eric Thames option for next season so he’s a free agent.

 

Bring him home?

 

If we pair him with a lefty masher with some versatility like Howie Kendrick (assuming other big moves are made) then I think that could work out excellently. Thames at like $2-3M could be decent but you have to pair him with a platoon partner, he's unplayable against LHP.

[DigitalRock]

Ok, but uninspired move, sums up the shatkin era so far

[jaysguy44]

Why do you guys think we can win with a rotation of mid level guys. The current WS featured 5 aces if not 6

 

If we want to win we have to find top of the rotation talent. Are we going to do that giving starts to chase anderson and jake oddrizi or any of the other crap

 

Nope. No point in this

 

You're one of a kind Barker.

[Krylian]

Why do you guys think we can win with a rotation of mid level guys. The current WS featured 5 aces if not 6

 

If we want to win we have to find top of the rotation talent. Are we going to do that giving starts to chase anderson and jake oddrizi or any of the other crap

 

Nope. No point in this

 

Who said that?

[xposbrad]

Considering what was given up, this is a decent trade. I think Shatkins knows he's a #4 or #5 starter on a competitive team, but maybe he builds up some trade value and starters have a higher demand come the TD so we'll see what happens.

[Deadpool]

Gave up almost nothing to get him, and if they find better options, they could trade him for an equally inconsequential prospect before the season starts. Literally zero risk with this move.

[DigitalRock]

Why do you guys think we can win with a rotation of mid level guys. The current WS featured 5 aces if not 6

 

If we want to win we have to find top of the rotation talent. Are we going to do that giving starts to chase anderson and jake oddrizi or any of the other crap

 

Nope. No point in this

 

You might have a point....if anyone actually said this, maybe brush up on your reading comprehension.

[Terminator]

The risk is that he's the next Jaime Garcia who costs a decent chunk of change and a mid rotation spot while bottoming out in the process.

[Dick_Pole]

The Brewers also declined Eric Thames option for next season so he’s a free agent.

 

Bring him home?

 

My hierarchy on this based on options discussed so far:

 

1. Move Vlad to first, sign a good third baseman

2/3. Sign Smoak or EE, depending on relative cost

4. Mystery move

5. Sign Thames

6. Keep sending Tellez out there

[Dick_Pole]

The risk is that he's the next Jaime Garcia who costs a decent chunk of change and a mid rotation spot while bottoming out in the process.

 

To be fair that's a risk for many pitchers.

[Orgfiller]

The risk is that he's the next Jaime Garcia who costs a decent chunk of change and a mid rotation spot while bottoming out in the process.

 

And that's fine, you do the Jaime Garcia deal every time and more often than not you'll come out ahead.

[Deadpool]

My hierarchy on this based on options discussed so far:

 

1. Move Vlad to first, sign a good third baseman

2/3. Sign Smoak or EE, depending on relative cost

4. Mystery move

5. Sign Thames

6. Keep sending Tellez out there

 

Probably not super likely, but this would be my #1 option for 1B

 

[saskjayfan]

I disagree. This is a good move regardless. If he's the #1 starter it's still not a bad move as it adds a viable piece to the rotation for basically nothing. It would just mean that the Front Office failed in its quest to add significant pieces to the rotation.

 

We didn't get him for nothing. We're obligated to pay him 9 million dollars. We'll see how much money pitchers in the free agent market get. I would have rather gone after Alex wood, but in a vacuum this isn't a bad deal, but it's nothing to jump up and down over either.

[Pendleton]

If we pair him with a lefty masher with some versatility like Howie Kendrick (assuming other big moves are made) then I think that could work out excellently. Thames at like $2-3M could be decent but you have to pair him with a platoon partner, he's unplayable against LHP.

 

Wilmer Flores

[The Iceman]

This isn't a bad deal providing the $8 million doesn't stop the team from aquiring other pitchers. It is hard to complain given what we gave up. He could be a trade deadline chip but WHY??

 

I am a bigger fan of buying at the trade deadline than selling giving the pennies on the dollar prices.

Instead of taking a flyer on an A ball longshot try to trade and resign a veteran. Hudson, Oh, Donaldson, Phelps, Pearce, Happ, Sogard, Axford, Joe Smith with Galvis and Smoak apparently not even getting offers all for next to nothing back. All would look just fine in a Jays uniform next season.

[Rusty_Savage]

My hierarchy on this based on options discussed so far:

 

1. Move Vlad to first, sign a good third baseman

2/3. Sign Smoak or EE, depending on relative cost

4. Mystery move

5. Sign Thames

6. Keep sending Tellez out there

 

I'd sign Moustakas. Can play first, second and third, pretty good power and doesn't strike out a lot

[keggy]

We didn't get him for nothing. We're obligated to pay him 9 million dollars. We'll see how much money pitchers in the free agent market get.

 

This is by far the most important factor in this deal.

 

Talent for talent the trade is fine but we basically absorbed a contract at open market value. This trade only makes sense if the front office thinks he will exceed his projections (which he could).

[saskjayfan]

This is by far the most important factor in this deal.

 

Talent for talent the trade is fine but we basically absorbed a contract at open market value. This trade only makes sense if the front office thinks he will exceed his projections (which he could).

 

I think the worst part of this deal is it signals where the off season is heading. Any hopes of Wheeler or Odorizzi are pretty much gone. So who's the best pitcher who didn't get a qualifying offer? That's pretty much the ceiling for the Jays.

[Maico450]

I think the worst part of this deal is it signals where the off season is heading. Any hopes of Wheeler or Odorizzi are pretty much gone. So who's the best pitcher who didn't get a qualifying offer? That's pretty much the ceiling for the Jays.

 

That's a pretty dumb analogy. The Jays have the $$ to do anything they want. They have the payroll space to spend for 2 frontline SP, not that the frontline SP will sign with Toronto but this year Toronto can do anything they want to do.

[glory]

I think the worst part of this deal is it signals where the off season is heading. Any hopes of Wheeler or Odorizzi are pretty much gone. So who's the best pitcher who didn't get a qualifying offer? That's pretty much the ceiling for the Jays.

 

I don't expect the Jays to sign anyone with a qualifying offer, but I don't think this trade really tells us anything except 1) Shatkins likes Anderson, and 2) they got him for a nothing prospect because they could afford to absorb his salary without having it impact the rest of their off season. Where the Jays might regret the trade is if the market for pitchers like him proves to be a lot cheaper than what they are going to pay him in 2020, but even then, no guarantee those pitchers sign with the Jays unless they overpay anyway, so it isn't a huge deal. If he sucks, then buy him out. If he's good, then either trade him or you have a solid back end starter for 2/18. Not much downside.

[Boxcar]

Seems like a good candidate to be pared with an opener...

 

Sounds painful

[Key22]

Jays first rounder is protected no? So if you're planning to buy top talents this is not a bad time. Consider that Boras Clients are the most likely to go to the highest bidder beyond other considerations.

 

If you offerred Cole an 9 year $280 million contract $10 million up front signing bonus. And you offered Strasberg a 7 year $220 million contract with a $10 million bonus...i am fairly sure that is enough to land both.

 

Would that be enough to get the Jays into a wildcard? If so, then you have a chance. Great pitching pitching great shuts down any offense. As the Nationals showed...just scrape in, anything can happen if you have aces. If your rotation is shyte you wind up being the Yankees.

[Laika]

All first round picks are protected now IIRC

[Boxcar]

God Ross Atkins is such a boring GM. At least AA would do things that were exciting, if sometimes ill-advised. I wonder how many Martin Prados we'll trade for using sub-top 30 prospects.

[Bobthe4th]

This is by far the most important factor in this deal.

 

Talent for talent the trade is fine but we basically absorbed a contract at open market value. This trade only makes sense if the front office thinks he will exceed his projections (which he could).

 

$8.5m has no impact on our overall budget restrictions this year, and next year he has a buy out if he ends up injured / sucking.

 

This is exactly the kind of deal we were always going to be pursuing because of our payroll flexibility. It means we can take advantage of teams looking to save money by absorbing the cost and not having to give up any prospects of value, or commit to a long term contract. It's the kind of low risk, low reward deal this front office seems to love.

[xposbrad]

Jays first rounder is protected no? So if you're planning to buy top talents this is not a bad time. Consider that Boras Clients are the most likely to go to the highest bidder beyond other considerations.

 

If you offerred Cole an 9 year $280 million contract $10 million up front signing bonus. And you offered Strasberg a 7 year $220 million contract with a $10 million bonus...i am fairly sure that is enough to land both.

 

Would that be enough to get the Jays into a wildcard? If so, then you have a chance. Great pitching pitching great shuts down any offense. As the Nationals showed...just scrape in, anything can happen if you have aces. If your rotation is shyte you wind up being the Yankees.

 

I am really leary of giving Stras 5+ years with that arm, let alone 7. It sucks we have to overpay in term and total money to land the FAs but I guess that's the reality of the team being in Canada + taxes. But I think this team would need another 1-2 bats + 1-2 pieces in the pen to have a shot at the WC. Add in Rendon + some others and maybe.

[FrozenRopes]

Plan the parade.