2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[Grant77]

Except that Woody is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball at 18.

 

I don't think he's even the best 18 year old pitcher in our organization. There are huge, huge risks associated with that kind of prospect and the consensus rankings reflect that.

[King]

I don't think he's even the best 18 year old pitcher in our organization. There are huge, huge risks associated with that kind of prospect and the consensus rankings reflect that.

wow lol

[Andry]

Lol, typical Blue Jays luck.

[Laika]

Giles still dealing with elbow inflammation. At this point, they should probably avoid forcing a trade. Keep him and revisit a deal in the offseason or next deadline.

[Terminator]

Giles still dealing with elbow inflammation. At this point, they should probably avoid forcing a trade. Keep him and revisit a deal in the offseason or next deadline.

 

Yep.

 

Their handling of him has been atrocious.

[Brownie19]

Negative post removed, bc I am better than that.

 

who are you kidding?

[Brownie19]

There's a possibility the Jays don't want Giles pitching much before the deadline and Montoyo is just telling the media he's "not 100%" to as the smoke and mirror excuse on why he isn't using him. In highsight - not the best use of words....although I highly doubt that effects his value.

 

There's a simple discussion with the other GM to day "oh f***, Giles is fine, we just didn't want to risk injury before the trade deadline. Charlie's a nice guy, but he's not too smart. He just made that up to justify why he didn't bring him into a game because some dumb ass casual fans are still all over him every time we lose - when it's obviously we're tanking."

 

Yikes - this notion went south in a hurry.

[Abomination]

Getting back to the general topic, I wouldn't mind if we could pry Yadier Alvarez away from the Dodgers for Hudson. It seems like he's almost considered an afterthought now, and has had a big falling out with the organization. Seems like the kind of wildcard that could really pay off.

[Terminator]

I still can't believe they threw him 3 days in a row and then when he couldn't throw again for a couple weeks they blamed a massage.

 

Similar to Atkins saying they were trying to extend Stroman who quickly shot it down.

 

Atkins is such a lying goober. No one should believe anything he says.

[Grant77]

wow lol

 

You are obviously trolling so this will be my last response, but every prospect ranking that I have seen, including some updated recently, agree with me. We have a better 18 year old pitcher in our own organization. There's debate to be had, but you were never capable of intelligent discussion.

[Spanky__99]

who are you kidding?

 

lol... every single post for over a decade has been negative.

[glory]

Giles getting hurt sucks but the 3 days in a row thing still bothers me. He might have gotten hurt regardless but what a stupid f***ing decision by Montoyo.

 

I agree, keep him the rest of the year and revisit a trade in the off season. The return will be poor compared to what it could have been tomorrow but whatever.

[Terminator]

Giles getting hurt sucks but the 3 days in a row thing still bothers me. He might have gotten hurt regardless but what a stupid f***ing decision by Montoyo.

 

I agree, keep him the rest of the year and revisit a trade in the off season. The return will be poor compared to what it could have been tomorrow but whatever.

 

They think we're stupid when they blamed it on a massage

[King]

You are obviously trolling so this will be my last response, but every prospect ranking that I have seen, including some updated recently, agree with me. We have a better 18 year old pitcher in our own organization. There's debate to be had, but you were never capable of intelligent discussion.

 

You're an idiot

[Olerud363]

I don't think he's even the best 18 year old pitcher in our organization. There are huge, huge risks associated with that kind of prospect and the consensus rankings reflect that.

 

Except for ERA Woods-Richardson is ahead of Pardinho in everything... innings pitched, k-rate, bb-rate...

 

Interesting that right now, when they updated the top 30 list, they also put Pardinho ahead http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=tor

 

That being said both Richardson and Kay have a bit of bad luck with their ERA. I wonder if they had the same amount of good luck on their ERAs if this trade would be viewed completely differently.

 

hmmmm... I guess Kay has had both bad luck and good luck, as his aa era of 1.xx and triple a era of 6.xx are probably both misleading. So...

 

If

 

a) Kay just had a 3.21 era in both places

 

and

 

Woody (whos peripherals are better than Sanchez and even Syndergaard at the same level) had a 2.88 era, or whatever his peripherals predict...

 

would everybody love the trade then????

[P2F]

Their ERAs are irrelevant.

[Andry]

The Giles situation really pisses me off.

[Slade]

[P2F]

 

Bring me Jose Fermin, please.

[Ziggyy108]

How do we f*** up trading Giles

[L54]

I don't think he's even the best 18 year old pitcher in our organization. There are huge, huge risks associated with that kind of prospect and the consensus rankings reflect that.

 

But there aren’t huge risks with the 5’9 18 year old?

[Angrioter]

Bring me Jose Fermin, please.

 

Daniel Johnson is the guy for us

[L54]

Huuuuge risks with projectable 18 year olds with plus athleticism and velocity. Always take the under sized pitchability guy, this is evident by the way teams draft.

[Orgfiller]

Huuuuge risks with projectable 18 year olds with plus athleticism and velocity. Always take the under sized pitchability guy, this is evident by the way teams draft.

 

You're out to lunch here bud. All the rankings have Pardinho ahead, and it's obvious why. He's 4 only months younger, doesn't throw as hard, his body type isn't as projectable, has substantially worse numbers at the same level, and the real combo finisher: he's missed time with an elbow injury.

[Brownie19]

Except for ERA Woods-Richardson is ahead of Pardinho in everything... innings pitched, k-rate, bb-rate...

 

Interesting that right now, when they updated the top 30 list, they also put Pardinho ahead http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=tor

 

That being said both Richardson and Kay have a bit of bad luck with their ERA. I wonder if they had the same amount of good luck on their ERAs if this trade would be viewed completely differently.

 

hmmmm... I guess Kay has had both bad luck and good luck, as his aa era of 1.xx and triple a era of 6.xx are probably both misleading. So...

 

If

 

a) Kay just had a 3.21 era in both places

 

and

 

Woody (whos peripherals are better than Sanchez and even Syndergaard at the same level) had a 2.88 era, or whatever his peripherals predict...

 

would everybody love the trade then????

 

Everyone would love the trade if SWR was ranked top 50 and Kay was ranked top 75 on various internet prospect lists (either at the start of the 2019 season, or currently). Obviously the best thing that could happen would be for SWR to go from unranked to top 65 to top 25 next year like Pearson did this year. If he stays healthy, continues to dominate and ages (thus reducing risk) - that's not completely unrealistic (it's unlikely though). As Hurl said, if he was in the 2019 draft, SWR would have been a top 10 draft pick.

[Bobthe4th]

How do we f*** up trading Giles

 

By trading him to the Rays for Sogard.

[Ray]

Is the Stroman trade any worse than the Sonny Gray trade to the Yankees? I’d rather have Woods-Richardson than all 3 of Mateo/Fowler/Kaprellian at the time. He could very easily be the next top pitching prospect in this org.

[Laika]

Is the Stroman trade any worse than the Sonny Gray trade to the Yankees? IÂ’d rather have Woods-Richardson than all 3 of Mateo/Fowler/Kaprellian at the time. He could very easily be the next top pitching prospect in this org.

 

You can probably make the case that two of those players were, in context, approximately equal in value to Kay + SWR right now.

 

Not fair to say that SWR is better than all three. Mateo alone was probably more highly regarded than SWR is right now (whether or not that was justified or the industry agreed - who knows).

 

So you can say that Toronto's return is light by one piece... but Sonny Gray had 2 more years of control after 2017 so it's not a direct comparison.

[KevinGregg]

Is the Stroman trade any worse than the Sonny Gray trade to the Yankees? I’d rather have Woods-Richardson than all 3 of Mateo/Fowler/Kaprellian at the time. He could very easily be the next top pitching prospect in this org.

 

For real though. The entire internet and media is in shambles because we didn't get a guy who is on a public top 100 list. Who honestly gives a s***? Look at it objectively and we got a great deal - two controllable pitchers, one of them with absolutely huge upside, and Kay fits in well with the group of Thornton, Borucki, Pannone, and Waguspack... between those 5 guys one is going to have some kind of success over the next year and a half.

 

SWR fits in well with the Manoah, Pearson, Pardinho group of future studs. We actually have a pipeline of talent now!

And it's not like re-signing Stroman after next season is off the table either.

[Stangstag]

Anyone else think they traded Stroman early because his next start was coming up today? Like they obviously wouldn’t want him to pitch, and Stroman probably would have flipped out if management told him he can’t pitch until after the deadline.