What can we get for JA Happ?

[Shart]

Package Happ with Morales or Tulo. That's the shark move.

[Shart]

Happ would definitely be a starter for the Yankees. They'd start him over one of Gray and Tanaka.

Are you mentally ill?

Edited June 20, 2018 by TheHurl

[metafour]

Package Happ with Morales or Tulo. That's the shark move.

 

Why, so we can get less return? Morales has just one year left on his deal. The only side who benefits from that is Rogers because they get to pinch a few pennies, meanwhile you're taking less return on one of your best assets (Happ) so that someone else can pay Morales to sit on the bench, which we can just do ourselves. Only broke-ass teams make moves like what you just suggested. This team isn't ready to compete either way, so its not like shedding Morales or Tulo somehow makes us competitive next year.

 

Long story short: dumb idea.

[Shart]

Why, so we can get less return? Morales has just one year left on his deal. The only side who benefits from that is Rogers because they get to pinch a few pennies, meanwhile you're taking less return on one of your best assets (Happ) so that someone else can pay Morales to sit on the bench, which we can just do ourselves. Only broke-ass teams make moves like what you just suggested. This team isn't ready to compete either way, so its not like shedding Morales or Tulo somehow makes us competitive next year.

 

Long story short: dumb idea.

 

Getting rid of Tulo's contract is a genius idea. Are you a natural born moron? Morales maybe less so.

[BlueRocky]

They’re currently at 160M, there’s a good chance payroll will get cut for 2019 just based on the drop in attendance and tv ratings. Not like Rogers cannot afford it, but if the money is already spent there is nothing they can do about it.

 

But if FO somehow sheds Tulo or Morales, that money isn’t going to be available for other transactions. Fat chance that money you saved is going towards a starting pitcher in the offseason. Rogers would love to bring payroll back down to 130-140M until they see a resurgence in attendance—this is the type of ownership we are dealing with. They will 100% treat this like a business and nothing else.

 

With that in mind, you much rather take prospects back than shed payroll.

[jaysguy44]

Getting rid of Tulo's contract is a genius idea. Are you a natural born moron? Morales maybe less so.

 

You're dumb

[Jimcanuck]

Getting rid of Tulo's contract is a genius idea. Are you a natural born moron? Morales maybe less so.

 

It's better for the Jays to hang on to the deadweight. Jays would have to give up valuable assets to move them, retain most or all of the salary anyway, and package with a guy like Happ and get a low value asset back.

 

Morales, Tulo, Martin contracts all expire in the next year or two. Perfect timing for the Jays to dip into the free agent class of 2020 and get some FA support for Vladito et al show.

[MarcoSanchez]

Rogers would love to bring payroll back down to 130-140M until they see a resurgence in attendance

 

How do you know that,?

[Slade]

They’re currently at 160M, there’s a good chance payroll will get cut for 2019 just based on the drop in attendance and tv ratings. Not like Rogers cannot afford it, but if the money is already spent there is nothing they can do about it.

 

But if FO somehow sheds Tulo or Morales, that money isn’t going to be available for other transactions. Fat chance that money you saved is going towards a starting pitcher in the offseason. Rogers would love to bring payroll back down to 130-140M until they see a resurgence in attendance—this is the type of ownership we are dealing with. They will 100% treat this like a business and nothing else.

 

With that in mind, you much rather take prospects back than shed payroll.

 

 

Based on what?

[BlueRocky]

It’s common sense. Rogers will never come out and say it. But do you expect payroll to stay the same when your attendance drops by 40%? That’s not how business works. Costs get cut and people get fired when a company don’t make sales numbers. You can go back and look at past attendance numbers and opening day payroll and there’s a clear correlation.

 

They didn’t suddenly increase payroll because we needed to sign free agents, it coincided with the attendance increase and playoff success. Everybody knew this team could’ve started the selloff a year ago, but they didn’t. Having a $160 million payroll and deciding to lose games doesn’t look good on the balance sheet.

[Shart]

It’s common sense. Rogers will never come out and say it. But do you expect payroll to stay the same when your attendance drops by 40%? That’s not how business works. Costs get cut and people get fired when a company don’t make sales numbers. You can go back and look at past attendance numbers and opening day payroll and there’s a clear correlation.

 

They didn’t suddenly increase payroll because we needed to sign free agents, it coincided with the attendance increase and playoff success. Everybody knew this team could’ve started the selloff a year ago, but they didn’t. Having a $160 million payroll and deciding to lose games doesn’t look good on the balance sheet.

And that's why trading Tulo makes sense. He's dead weight taking up $20 million a year.

[Krylian]

Based on what?

 

Based on what we've already seen. Based on what Beeston said about 'if attendance goes up, payroll will go up.' Based on the talk that Rogers might be looking to sell the team.

[Brownie19]

It’s common sense. Rogers will never come out and say it. But do you expect payroll to stay the same when your attendance drops by 40%? That’s not how business works. Costs get cut and people get fired when a company don’t make sales numbers. You can go back and look at past attendance numbers and opening day payroll and there’s a clear correlation.

 

They didn’t suddenly increase payroll because we needed to sign free agents, it coincided with the attendance increase and playoff success. Everybody knew this team could’ve started the selloff a year ago, but they didn’t. Having a $160 million payroll and deciding to lose games doesn’t look good on the balance sheet.

 

Attendance is down, but prices are up a lot. Let's be honest, you have no idea what their bottom line looks like, nor any idea where they will set the budget next year.

[MarcoSanchez]

It’s common sense. Rogers will never come out and say it. But do you expect payroll to stay the same when your attendance drops by 40%? .

 

You dont know how budgets in a corporate environment work.

[Shart]

You're dumb

 

And you're a Grade A moron.

[Shart]

Attendance is already down a half million for the Jays this season, which is an average of a little over 11,000 per game. You can bet your anus that Rogers will be cutting payroll and they'd love to get Tulo off the books.

[saskjayfan]

And you're a Grade A moron.

 

says the guy who thinks they can trade Tulo to save money. You might be able to find a team to take Tulo next year and the year after if you were willing to pay 18 and 12 million dollars of his salary. Good job Shart, you've saved 4 mil over 2 years.

[Shart]

says the guy who thinks they can trade Tulo to save money. You might be able to find a team to take Tulo next year and the year after if you were willing to pay 18 and 12 million dollars of his salary. Good job Shart, you've saved 4 mil over 2 years.

 

lol based on your assumption that we can only get a team to cover 18-12 million. Your stupider that I thought!

[SaskJaysFan_2]

And that's why trading Tulo makes sense. He's dead weight taking up $20 million a year.

 

Tulo may be one of the most untradeable players in baseball. After guys like Cabrera and Pujols.

 

The best you can hope for is a bit of hope at the end of this season, and hope he provides some positive WAR in 2019, perhaps making him a trade candidate, and you would still be getting no return and eating 80%+ of his salary.

 

I would love to just DFA Morales, Tulo and (possibly) Martin, Pearce, etc. But it's not a video game.

 

Actually, I sort of like the idea of keeping Martin around next year to mentor Danny Jansen, and play 1/3 games. A bit expensive at $20M, but we paid a premium to get him to come here, when it was really tough to attract any free agents. Plus I think Martin is a top shelf guy. And a canuck. I love canucks. Because we are the s***.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Attendance is already down a half million for the Jays this season, which is an average of a little over 11,000 per game. You can bet your anus that Rogers will be cutting payroll and they'd love to get Tulo off the books.

 

If they have insurance of Tulo, then maybe they would be hoping for this injury to never heal.

[Brownie19]

Sask - stop feeding the troll please.

[CrackerJack]

speaking of attendance at the Rogers Centre ... the Canada Day game is 10 days away and still plenty of seats remain unsold ... when was the last time the Canada Day game was not a sellout?

[Krylian]

speaking of attendance at the Rogers Centre ... the Canada Day game is 10 days away and still plenty of seats remain unsold ... when was the last time the Canada Day game was not a sellout?

 

Probably the last time the team was this s*** (not including last season).

[AdamGreenwood]

It's frustrating to think about what we could have gotten if we had traded JD and Happ away in spring training or even at the trade deadline last year. Getting a player for two months is not going to net the haul you guys seem to think it will.

[Krylian]

It's frustrating to think about what we could have gotten if we had traded JD and Happ away in spring training or even at the trade deadline last year. Getting a player for two months is not going to net the haul you guys seem to think it will.

 

I wanted to move JD after 2016.

 

The haul is not going to be good, if anything at all. There's every possibility that we go the qualifying offer route and try to grab a couple of picks.

Edited June 21, 2018 by Krylian

[Terminator]

It's frustrating to think about what we could have gotten if we had traded JD and Happ away in spring training or even at the trade deadline last year. Getting a player for two months is not going to net the haul you guys seem to think it will.

 

Not sure how much we could have got for Donaldson when Moustaskas signed a one year deal for 6.5 mil after hitting 38 homers the year prior. Happ might be the top starter available at the trade deadline this year, not sure how much his trade value has taken a hit either.

[metafour]

It's frustrating to think about what we could have gotten if we had traded JD and Happ away in spring training or even at the trade deadline last year. Getting a player for two months is not going to net the haul you guys seem to think it will.

 

Happ's value may actually have risen. When it comes to pitching, unless you're talking about a multi-year asset, there really isn't much difference between a half-season and a full-season when it comes to valuation. Anyone buying at the deadline is paying a premium and doing so for the playoffs anyway: that means that they want a guy for that second half to help push them in, or they're already realistically playoff bound and want to load up for that run regardless.

[L54]

It's frustrating to think about what we could have gotten if we had traded JD and Happ away in spring training or even at the trade deadline last year. Getting a player for two months is not going to net the haul you guys seem to think it will.

 

With JD it is for sure, but we all knew he wasn't going anywhere because this team had a chance to compete.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but Justin Smoak would look good in a different uniform right now as well. He would've returned something interesting at least.

[TheHurl]

It’s common sense. Rogers will never come out and say it. But do you expect payroll to stay the same when your attendance drops by 40%?

 

yes I do. Shapiro extended the Aramark contract last year at a 35% increase

[Jonn]

With JD it is for sure, but we all knew he wasn't going anywhere because this team had a chance to compete.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but Justin Smoak would look good in a different uniform right now as well. He would've returned something interesting at least.

 

With Smoak's cheap options I thought moving him last year made a lot of sense as well. But the First Base market is never in high demand anymore. So even with his All-Star first half last year. Teams wouldn't buy high on him.

 

The Blue Jays definitely missed the boat on Donaldson though. I thought a lot of things would have to break right this year for this team to be competitive. But even on paper going into the year we were expected to be in the Wild Card mix. Its not even July and we are well out of any kind of playoff race.