What can we get for JA Happ?

[metafour]

Happ isn't getting 50M in free agency and at this point if I were him, I'd take a qualifying offer, so I doubt the front office does that.

 

Why the hell would he take the qualifying offer LMAO? He gets $30+ million easily on a two year deal, which for a guy who's about to turn 36 in ~3 months is a no-brainer.

[Slade]

Happ isn't getting 50M in free agency and at this point if I were him, I'd take a qualifying offer, so I doubt the front office does that.

 

He is easily going to get at least a 2 year $30M deal and probably an option for the third year.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Would you sign him to a 3-year deal? I think I would. What would it take? 3 years, $12M AAV? I don't know if I re-sign Estrada, unless he is really cheap. Borucki appears ready for 2019, and hopefully Pearson comes back hard to be integrated into the rotation late April, early May. Those two, Sanchez and Stroman, and Happ make for a good SP.

[THANOS]

Would you sign him to a 3-year deal? I think I would. What would it take? 3 years, $12M AAV? I don't know if I re-sign Estrada, unless he is really cheap. Borucki appears ready for 2019, and hopefully Pearson comes back hard to be integrated into the rotation late April, early May. Those two, Sanchez and Stroman, and Happ make for a good SP.

 

Don't sleep on SRF as well. He has the best swing & miss stuff in the org and has limited his walks a lot this season. He could be the best of the bunch.

[Grant77]

Would you sign him to a 3-year deal? I think I would. What would it take? 3 years, $12M AAV? I don't know if I re-sign Estrada, unless he is really cheap. Borucki appears ready for 2019, and hopefully Pearson comes back hard to be integrated into the rotation late April, early May. Those two, Sanchez and Stroman, and Happ make for a good SP.

 

Pearson won't play any significant role in our rotation next year, I'm sure.

[Bobthe4th]

Don't sleep on SRF as well. He has the best swing & miss stuff in the org and has limited his walks a lot this season. He could be the best of the bunch.

 

Yeah IMO SRF has a great chance to be in the rotation next season. We likely sign a veteran to a short deal as well. That might be Estrada if he accepts a one year deal (maybe plus an option).

[L54]

People would rather qualify Happ and take a nothing pick

 

Ya, nobody good has ever been drafted outside of the 1st round. Let's trade him for a really s***** SP prospect with no upside, that would be way better

[xposbrad]

Would you sign him to a 3-year deal? I think I would. What would it take? 3 years, $12M AAV? I don't know if I re-sign Estrada, unless he is really cheap. Borucki appears ready for 2019, and hopefully Pearson comes back hard to be integrated into the rotation late April, early May. Those two, Sanchez and Stroman, and Happ make for a good SP.

 

Really, how good have Stroman/Sanchez been this year?

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Don't sleep on SRF as well. He has the best swing & miss stuff in the org and has limited his walks a lot this season. He could be the best of the bunch.

 

You're right, his ERA was horrible off the hop but his metrics have been really solid for a few weeks now. And he's mature. IIRC 24? He maybe more ready than Pearson. Again, start a scrub in his spot (Rowley) until late April for the control thing.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Really, how good have Stroman/Sanchez been this year?

 

Well, f***ing terrible. But the ceiling for both of them is still solid. If I was relying on two Caviglio-type pitchers who had ERA's north of 6.00 it'd be a different story. We have to hope these two figure it out and stay healthy. We have them for two more years. Having said that, I would not mind doing a Mets thing and listen on offers in 2019 for both Stro' and Sanchez, if they are doing halfway decent. I don't think Atkins should ever trade anyone have a down cycle unless forced.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Ya, nobody good has ever been drafted outside of the 1st round. Let's trade him for a really s***** SP prospect with no upside, that would be way better

 

I see positives to trading him now, giving him a QO, and re-signing him.

 

I guess, because his trade value has plummeted (presumably) if there is a A- prospect targeted, we could offer Happ *and* one of our B prospects to get him. I dunno. No easy answers. And we don't know the interest. I think if Happ makes one stellar start ASAP he maybe traded right after. Just a gut feeling (er...guess).

[Brownie19]

Well, f***ing terrible. But the ceiling for both of them is still solid. If I was relying on two Caviglio-type pitchers who had ERA's north of 6.00 it'd be a different story. We have to hope these two figure it out and stay healthy. We have them for two more years. Having said that, I would not mind doing a Mets thing and listen on offers in 2019 for both Stro' and Sanchez, if they are doing halfway decent. I don't think Atkins should ever trade anyone have a down cycle unless forced.

 

Sanchez's ceiling is a lot lower than you think...

[Krylian]

Ya, nobody good has ever been drafted outside of the 1st round. Let's trade him for a really s***** SP prospect with no upside, that would be way better

 

Guess you really have no faith in this front office if that's the kind of return you think they're looking for.

[Abomination]

Sanchez's ceiling is a lot lower than you think...

 

You mean the Sanchez who put up 3.8 WAR at age 24 (and given he's on the extremes meaning he's probably a FIP beater, likely was worth more)? That's assuming that was actually his ceiling too. That's pretty solid.

[Brownie19]

You mean the Sanchez who put up 3.8 WAR at age 24 (and given he's on the extremes meaning he's probably a FIP beater, likely was worth more)? That's assuming that was actually his ceiling too. That's pretty solid.

 

Absolutely nothing before, or after the 2016 suggests we'll ever see him pitch at that level again. His last 23 starts have been utter garbage and the results are remarkably similar to the 11 we saw in 2015.

[L54]

Guess you really have no faith in this front office if that's the kind of return you think they're looking for.

 

When Adbert Alzolay is the name I hear the Cubs are offering then ya, I'd rather have the pick

 

I guess you really have no faith in this front office if you think another pick in the top ~80 is worth nothing

[Krylian]

When Adbert Alzolay is the name I hear the Cubs are offering then ya, I'd rather have the pick

 

I guess you really have no faith in this front office if you think another pick in the top ~80 is worth nothing

 

I'm Luke warm about their drafting so far.

 

I think you know better than to assume the prospects you hear in media reports are the ones that will be in deals. A lot of speculation and assumptions.

 

I'd rather 2 B level prospects than drafting 1 B level prospect

[glory]

The Jays got Samad Taylor and Pannone for 2 months for Joe Smith, and Teoscar for 2 months of Francisco Liriano.

 

I'd much rather trade Happ. This front office is good. They'll find value.

[baubau]

I'm Luke warm about their drafting so far.

 

Why?

[Krylian]

Why?

Never been a fan of college heavy drafts. Would like to see a few more HS kids in the draft.

[Abomination]

Never been a fan of college heavy drafts. Would like to see a few more HS kids in the draft.

 

Three of those were just to save money to afford Kloffenstein.

[Abomination]

Speaking of our prospects, has anyone looked at $5k Cal Stevenson's walk and k rates? He's probably a nothing prospect, and is old for the level, but that's one way to make an impression.

[L54]

I'm Luke warm about their drafting so far.

 

I think you know better than to assume the prospects you hear in media reports are the ones that will be in deals. A lot of speculation and assumptions.

 

I'd rather 2 B level prospects than drafting 1 B level prospect

 

I haven't assumed anything, just stating what has been reported. I'm confident they'll move him and get an appropriate return, but saying that the pick attached to the QO is nothing is wrong.

[L54]

Never been a fan of college heavy drafts. Would like to see a few more HS kids in the draft.

 

They took two with their first two picks? Evaluating drafts takes years and they've only had three classes in Toronto

 

You can argue that you would prefer HS kids, but I think you know better than to assume that it's as simple as HS vs college

[metafour]

Never been a fan of college heavy drafts. Would like to see a few more HS kids in the draft.

 

They've had two "college heavy" drafts to balance out the mid-upper levels of the system which were barren when they got here, and even in those drafts they used 2nd round picks on HS players. There was absolutely nothing "college heavy" about this last draft, unless you want to count spending 73% of your TOTAL pool on two HS players as somehow being "college heavy".

[Krylian]

They've had two "college heavy" drafts to balance out the mid-upper levels of the system which were barren when they got here, and even in those drafts they used 2nd round picks on HS players. There was absolutely nothing "college heavy" about this last draft, unless you want to count spending 73% of your TOTAL pool on two HS players as somehow being "college heavy".

 

Let's see what happens next year then if the first two were just to balance out the farm system. I agree that this year's draft was more balanced, but the first two I wasn't thrilled with at all.

[metafour]

Let's see what happens next year then if the first two were just to balance out the farm system. I agree that this year's draft was more balanced, but the first two I wasn't thrilled with at all.

 

They got Zeuch, Bichette, and Biggio in their first draft. Pearson and Kevin Smith in their second. That is 5 of our ~Top 12-15 prospects in a strong farm system. Lots of interesting post-10th round players too (Chavez Young, Noda, Abbadessa, DJ Neal, Schneider, etc, etc). This past draft looks potentially elite with Groshans (huge hype building), Conine (elite tools and mashing), and Kloffenstein (potential 1st round talent). With no extra picks we very realistically landed 3 first round talents in this last draft, which is absolutely elite execution.

 

I think that you are reaching big time. What, because Biggio and Smith came from College they were bad picks? D.J. Daniels went a round after Biggio as a high schooler and signed for the same dollar amount...who? Exactly.

[Krylian]

They got Zeuch, Bichette, and Biggio in their first draft. Pearson and Kevin Smith in their second. That is 5 of our ~Top 12-15 prospects in a strong farm system. Lots of interesting post-10th round players too (Chavez Young, Noda, Abbadessa, DJ Neal, Schneider, etc, etc). This past draft looks potentially elite with Groshans (huge hype building), Conine (elite tools and mashing), and Kloffenstein (potential 1st round talent). With no extra picks we very realistically landed 3 first round talents in this last draft, which is absolutely elite execution.

 

I think that you are reaching big time. What, because Biggio and Smith came from College they were bad picks? D.J. Daniels went a round after Biggio as a high schooler and signed for the same dollar amount...who? Exactly.

 

I like Biggio and Smith. Like Pearson too. Not bullish on Warmoth, Zeuch, Noda. Though I would like them to prove me wrong. The high schoolers they did draft, I very much like...Bichette, Young, Groshans, Kloffenstein. More of that please.

 

Hoping for good things from Conine but got a bit of a Woodman vibe with the K's. Won't make any judgements until he gets a full season under his belt next season and see how he adapts.

 

I'm not going to deny that some of the College picks they've made have worked out nicely thus far...although let's see if they actually translate in Major League players. I just prefer the philosophy of drafting a few more HS players, and working on developing them within the system. It's just what I prefer.

 

I haven't checked so I really don't know the numbers, but if you look at the Top 50 prospects in baseball, how many of them are College draftees vs. HS players vs. IFA's? Curious if the balance is fairly even or if it skews in any particular direction.

[Grant77]

The Phils are going to make a run at Happ. I'm not sure they have what it takes without including Medina (assuming Sanchez is not on the table). Romero and Haseley are fairly interesting.

[tercet]

A #5-10 prospect