Does the StroShow blow?

[GD]

>Sends Stroman down to AAA

>Stroman blows s***** hitters away with 2 seamer

>Thinks it's working

>Comes back up

>Gets f***ed for another month

>Waste of time

[THANOS]

>Sends Stroman down to AAA

>Stroman blows s***** hitters away with 2 seamer

>Thinks it's working

>Comes back up

>Gets f***ed for another month

>Waste of time

 

Not sure that would happen. If he gets sent down it's probably accompanied by a directive to change his approach and pitch selection. People in the organization have been talking about the pitches he should be focusing on in interviews for awhile now, and I'd imagine if he's sent down it's to work on those primarily and monitor the results where it doesn't affect the big league team.

[GD]

and monitor the results where it doesn't affect the big league team.

 

His xFIP is 10% better than average

[Maahfaace]

Not sure that would happen. If he gets sent down it's probably accompanied by a directive to change his approach and pitch selection. People in the organization have been talking about the pitches he should be focusing on in interviews for awhile now, and I'd imagine if he's sent down it's to work on those primarily and monitor the results where it doesn't affect the big league team.

 

Is he shaking off a lot of pitches? Doesn't seem like it, someone should pull martin aside and show him what's best for stro

[RealAccountant]

I actually think Sanchie just sucked the life force from Stroman this offseason. That's all they did. Kind of gay.

 

Kind sir

 

are you suggesting that Sanchez spent the off-season performing fellatio on Stroman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No Homo

[THANOS]

His xFIP is 10% better than average

 

He's given up the most hard contact out of anyone in the MLB with 104 balls hit at 99mph or higher. xFIP won't tell you that, and it would be silly to chalk it all up to bad BABIP luck.

[FrozenRopes]

Short pitchers don't last. Their pitch angle is too straight. He has good stuff. Move him to the pen.

[fatleather]

Short pitchers don't last. Their pitch angle is too straight. He has good stuff. Move him to the pen.

 

Teach him to throw submarine.

[Grant77]

Short pitchers don't last. Their pitch angle is too straight. He has good stuff. Move him to the pen.

 

His future was always in the 'pen if history is any guide, but that doesn't mean we can't get a couple more good years from his as a starter.

[GD]

He's given up the most hard contact out of anyone in the MLB with 104 balls hit at 99mph or higher. xFIP won't tell you that, and it would be silly to chalk it all up to bad BABIP luck.

 

The luck isn't BABIP. The high BABIP is the result of the variation of giving up that many hard hit balls. Or something. It's 1 am. Math. Everyone's a dips beater until they're not blah blah blah

[baloojayz]

His talent is the same as 2015, with his luck inverted.

 

Big talent change (apparently) since 2014 though....

 

f*** this two-seamer. I wish he would just go back to painting with his 4 seamer. His command and control are naturally good enough that he doesn't NEED the movement and sink.

 

Where is the pitching coach? Where is the overhead analytics?

 

Actually no his command isn't very good at all (with the 4seam) and that is why he resorts to the 2 seam. He throws 94-95 with the 4 seam, surely he would be outdoing Estrada if he had good command, but that is the difference.

 

If you look at the movement on his 2 seam and other movement dependent pitches he's way ahead of the game. Just last year there was the article comparing his sinker to Halladay http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marcus-stroman-discovered-roy-halladays-sinker/

 

He's struggling right now because he's too predictable and can't effectively locate.

Edited June 20, 2016 by baloojayz

[burlingtonbandit]

I think part of it is Gibbons leaves him in too long as well. His numbers the 3rd and 4th time through the order are worse relative to what an average pitcher loses in effectiveness. Being a smaller guy maybe he fatigues more quickly.

 

He threw more 4 seams than 2 seams today and only 3 changeups so its naive to say his struggles are strictly pitch selection. Curveball was the best I've seen since 2014 so that gives me optimism. He's also faced some pretty damn good offences of late. With a couple of off days coming up perhaps that helps him. Let him have a few more starts then see where he's at. Still a hell of a lot better than Dickey.

[gbill2004]

He's too short to be a MLB starter. His career projection is as a reliever. Should have traded him for Carrasco when we had the chance.

[Brownie19]

Short pitchers don't last. Their pitch angle is too straight. He has good stuff. Move him to the pen.

 

He always looked like Tom Gordon anyway...

[RealAccountant]

He's too short to be a MLB starter. His career projection is as a reliever. Should have traded him for Carrasco when we had the chance.

 

Explain

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Explain

 

27 innings vs 96 innings of max effort taking its toll perhaps on him!

 

Is that not almost a 28% increase year over year! Is that not nearing the Verducci danger Zone? Maybe he should be sent to the pen for a few games for a breather or added rest.

[puphood]

Well that makes two pitchers now the Jays have to replace if they want to be serious about a pennant race. He has had a year now to show the real elite Stroman stuff to the sceptics and its been up and down but mostly down. I really was hoping I was wrong about him but these last four starts that I have watched he absolutely suxed..........

[ProfessionalAtBat]

He is chewing his bubble gum too damn hard thats the problem.

[Muck Bartinez]

Yeah, that's a fact. The ball has further to travel before it reaches the plate so hitters have more time to identify the pitch.

 

Not 100% correct, it depends on how close to home plate you release the ball. I remember reading that David Robertson's effective velocity was higher because he releases the ball closer to home plate than other pitchers, and he's not a tall guy. If you have a long stride, release the ball further out than up, or have long arms, your effective velocity will be higher.

[labadee]

give the man some platform shoes

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

give the man some platform shoes

 

Eight inch Hooker Heels!!!

Fielding might be a Bitch though. Lol

[admin]

Yeah, that's a fact. The ball has further to travel before it reaches the plate so hitters have more time to identify the pitch.

 

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. We're talking .005 of a second difference.

[Daniel Labude]

Stroman's problem isnt really pitch angle, velocity, release distance, etc.....its pitch location and pitch usuage. For about a month now the sinker has been crap, it's been up in the zone and not on the corners. He misses the first 2 pitches of an AB and is in a 2-0 count and has to throw it over the plate. This is probably why the sinker needs to be scrapped...not because it's bad, but because he cannot locate it enough to be effective. Then when he is ahead of the count it's mostly all offspeed or all fastballs. No setting up pitches.

[Grant77]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. We're talking .005 of a second difference.

 

Move the mound closer and see what happens to pitching numbers. It makes a difference. The difference between Stroman and a guy like Halladay, mechanics being the same, could be close to 2 feet.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Does Stroman throw his game or the one called for him by the catcher or follow the game plan that the pitching coach asks him too? !!! Lol

 

Stroman does not come across as one who would listen or take advice well !!! Just a gut feeling... Think Stroman believes he knows what's best for him!!!

Edited June 20, 2016 by BigBounceyBlueBalls

[gbill2004]

Explain

 

A bit of an extreme example, but who would be more effective as a pitcher: a midget or a guy who is 6'4"? Obviously the taller pitcher because of the deception of the release and increased power.

[baseballsss]

Does Stroman throw his game or the one called for him by the catcher or follow the game plan that the pitching coach asks him too!

 

Stroman does not come across as one who would listen or take advice well !!! Just a gut feeling... Think Stroman believes he knows what's best for him!!!

 

You're prob wrong. There were a lot of reports when Stroman came up saying that he was picking everyones brain. He sounds more like the opposite type of person than what you describe.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

You're prob wrong. There were a lot of reports when Stroman came up saying that he was picking everyones brain. He sounds more like the opposite type of person than what you describe.

 

To learn more pitches that he can't throw effectively and grips maybe?

 

Maybe he should some of his thousand pitch repertoire taken away and use the ones he can throw and locate!!!

 

Also noticed you avoided the whole first part of my statement... So guess you agreed with it! Thanks

[baseballsss]

Does Stroman throw his game or the one called for him by the catcher or follow the game plan that the pitching coach asks him too!

 

Stroman does not come across as one who would listen or take advice well !!! Just a gut feeling... Think Stroman believes he knows what's best for him!!!

 

I didn't answer this s*** cause I don't know..

 

You used a ! when your statement sounds like a question? What the hell would there be to agree with...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I didn't answer this s*** cause I don't know..

 

You used a ! when your statement sounds like a question? What the hell would there be to agree with...

 

Chillax Bub, boxers or.... Lol

 

I'll fix it for ya... But comment on it as to what you think. Peace Dogg!!! Lol