Does the StroShow blow?

[nextyear]

Dunno. If Stroman can't get Ortiz then he has serious problems. Which is not to take away from Ortiz, but more that a major league starter should be able to make a single out when necessary. Hanley could have shot one over the monster for four runs vs. what Ortiz did. I mean, that's not what happened, but that's hindsight.

 

I thought they should have walked Ortiz not only because of his offensive numbers, but also because he is so slow on the bases, which makes him easier to get out in a double play.

[Stangstag]

Personally I'd be walking the guy with a 203 wrc+ in that situation.

 

Nah yer dumn

[Maahfaace]

I thought they should have walked Ortiz not only because of his offensive numbers, but also because he is so slow on the bases, which makes him easier to get out in a double play.

 

In that situation there was 2 outs already.

[Spanky99]

In that situation there was 2 outs already.

 

1 out, Hanley hit into a double play right after the Ortiz base hit.

[Maahfaace]

1 out, Hanley hit into a double play right after the Ortiz base hit.

 

Ya i read previous posts wrong, I didn't watch the game tonight im at a Italian wedding in Vaughn. Grappa mmmmm

[intentional wok]

1 out, Hanley hit into a double play right after the Ortiz base hit.

 

There was only one out in that situation? Jesus I completely forgot. I thought there were two.

 

Uh, derp?

[Cyborg]

A few situations where an IBB makes sense:

- bot of 9th, tie game and runner at 3rd (any outs). With a runner on second as well its not a good idea unless the next batter is bad and doesnt usually walk and your pitcher has a low walk rate.

- when the next batter literally cant hit (some pitchers)

- nothing else

[Maahfaace]

A few situations where an IBB makes sense:

- bot of 9th, tie game and runner at 3rd (any outs). With a runner on second as well its not a good idea unless the next batter is bad and doesnt usually walk and your pitcher has a low walk rate.

- when the next batter literally cant hit (some pitchers)

- nothing else

 

And if Barry Bonds in the prime of his career is up

[G-Snarls]

And if Barry Bonds in the prime of his career is up

 

Maddon did it to Bryce Harper a bunch of times this year

[Spanky99]

Maddon did it to Bryce Harper a bunch of times this year

 

Not just Maddon, he's been IBB'd a ton this year.

[Spanky99]

Maddon did it to Bryce Harper a bunch of times this year

 

Holy crap, lol...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/here-is-every-pitch-that-the-cubs-threw-to-bryce-harper/

[Spanky99]

There was only one out in that situation? Jesus I completely forgot. I thought there were two.

 

Uh, derp?

 

It still doesn't matter, I'm not saying an IBB was the right call there, especially in the 3rd inning.

[Spanky99]

By Gregor Chisholm / MLB.com | @gregorMLB | June 4th, 2016 + 2 COMMENTS

BOSTON -- Marcus Stroman has hit a "rut," and the Blue Jays right-hander will need to make some adjustments before his next start to make sure his struggles don't linger for very long.

 

Stroman was roughed up yet again by a powerful Red Sox lineup in Saturday afternoon's 6-4 loss. He surrendered a lot of hard contact and had trouble locating some of his pitches, and the end result was a frustrating day on the mound.

This wasn't exactly a one-off type situation, either. Stroman has surrendered at least six runs in three of his past four starts, and his ERA has jumped from 3.54 on May 11 to 4.82 following the latest loss.

 

"They're a great lineup, one through nine," Stroman said of Boston. "They're well put together, they swing it well and they're all very hot. But I just wasn't executing. I just have to find out what's been going on, work on it and get back to how I have been in the past."

Stroman did not get into specifics when asked about what those adjustments will be. Instead, he mentioned that over the next few days, he will be watching video of his recent starts and comparing it to when he was throwing well earlier in the year and previously in his career.

The hope is that he'll be able to find something specific that can be fixed. Stroman will then carry that into his side session before eventually taking the mound on Thursday night against the Orioles.

 

"I'm not sure, to be honest with you, I'm just in a little bit of a rut," Stroman said. "Just struggling a little bit as of late, but I know my work ethic, and I know that I'll do everything in my power to get back to where it needs to be, and I'll do everything over these next four days to get it back to where it needs to be for Thursday. I'll just get back to work tomorrow."

 

One of the downsides to Toronto's schedule this season is that the club has so many games against its AL East rivals grouped together in large clustres. Stroman has faced AL East teams in eight of his 12 starts. There have been three outings against Boston, three against Tampa Bay, one against New York and soon to be a second vs. Baltimore.

That type of schedule isn't an excuse for the team because Blue Jays hitters have the same advantage. But it does make things a little more difficult for Toronto's pitchers, who don't exactly have many secrets vs. teams that have faced them so many times.

 

Stroman surrendered a career-high seven runs vs. Boston on May 28 and six more on Saturday. Facing a powerful lineup like the Red Sox's twice in a row isn't fun for any pitcher, but now it will be up to Stroman to make the adjustments so that his next outing and the ones that follow show different results.

"He's not invincible," Blue Jays manager John Gibbons said. "He's like any pitcher that's ever pitched in this game. Some days, you're going to get hit around. But when you face a team so many times, they have a better idea of what you're doing, just like we battled their guys. There's very few shutouts thrown in this business, but it's not the end of the world by any means."

[BigCecil]

By Gregor Chisholm / MLB.com | @gregorMLB | June 4th, 2016 + 2 COMMENTS

BOSTON -- Marcus Stroman has hit a "rut," and the Blue Jays right-hander will need to make some adjustments before his next start to make sure his struggles don't linger for very long.

 

Stroman was roughed up yet again by a powerful Red Sox lineup in Saturday afternoon's 6-4 loss. He surrendered a lot of hard contact and had trouble locating some of his pitches, and the end result was a frustrating day on the mound.

This wasn't exactly a one-off type situation, either. Stroman has surrendered at least six runs in three of his past four starts, and his ERA has jumped from 3.54 on May 11 to 4.82 following the latest loss.

 

"They're a great lineup, one through nine," Stroman said of Boston. "They're well put together, they swing it well and they're all very hot. But I just wasn't executing. I just have to find out what's been going on, work on it and get back to how I have been in the past."

Stroman did not get into specifics when asked about what those adjustments will be. Instead, he mentioned that over the next few days, he will be watching video of his recent starts and comparing it to when he was throwing well earlier in the year and previously in his career.

The hope is that he'll be able to find something specific that can be fixed. Stroman will then carry that into his side session before eventually taking the mound on Thursday night against the Orioles.

 

"I'm not sure, to be honest with you, I'm just in a little bit of a rut," Stroman said. "Just struggling a little bit as of late, but I know my work ethic, and I know that I'll do everything in my power to get back to where it needs to be, and I'll do everything over these next four days to get it back to where it needs to be for Thursday. I'll just get back to work tomorrow."

 

One of the downsides to Toronto's schedule this season is that the club has so many games against its AL East rivals grouped together in large clustres. Stroman has faced AL East teams in eight of his 12 starts. There have been three outings against Boston, three against Tampa Bay, one against New York and soon to be a second vs. Baltimore.

That type of schedule isn't an excuse for the team because Blue Jays hitters have the same advantage. But it does make things a little more difficult for Toronto's pitchers, who don't exactly have many secrets vs. teams that have faced them so many times.

 

Stroman surrendered a career-high seven runs vs. Boston on May 28 and six more on Saturday. Facing a powerful lineup like the Red Sox's twice in a row isn't fun for any pitcher, but now it will be up to Stroman to make the adjustments so that his next outing and the ones that follow show different results.

"He's not invincible," Blue Jays manager John Gibbons said. "He's like any pitcher that's ever pitched in this game. Some days, you're going to get hit around. But when you face a team so many times, they have a better idea of what you're doing, just like we battled their guys. There's very few shutouts thrown in this business, but it's not the end of the world by any means."

 

You could see this coming in the playoffs last year. Tex touched him up well. Luckily he has the talent and pitches to make adjustments. I don't know if it's the case but I think he started believing his own legend when he cam back last year. There was so much hype and attn on a guy with 20 or so MLB starts. In a way he earned it with his effort and performance. But this is 2016 and its a grind. We need him badly to be the front end guy we hope he can be. A 3.87 XFIP isn't that bad but the K rate is an issue and the BB rate continues to climb. I just see the league looking down and away laying off the 2S FB a lot better. His over use of that pitch seems to have hurt his command of others. Figure it out Stro. We need ya. Times like this I do appreciate Gibby. He is pretty steady eddy with these guys and has a fatherly even keel to avoid the panic. He and the coaches need to help this kid get it going. As much as he is making me crazy right now, I think they will.

[intentional wok]

It still doesn't matter, I'm not saying an IBB was the right call there, especially in the 3rd inning.

 

I don't think it would have been a great idea either. It's just that I kept arguing that Stro should be able to make a single out even though that wasn't exactly the situation.

[Jimcanuck]

You could see this coming in the playoffs last year. Tex touched him up well. Luckily he has the talent and pitches to make adjustments. I don't know if it's the case but I think he started believing his own legend when he cam back last year. There was so much hype and attn on a guy with 20 or so MLB starts. In a way he earned it with his effort and performance. But this is 2016 and its a grind. We need him badly to be the front end guy we hope he can be. A 3.87 XFIP isn't that bad but the K rate is an issue and the BB rate continues to climb. I just see the league looking down and away laying off the 2S FB a lot better. His over use of that pitch seems to have hurt his command of others. Figure it out Stro. We need ya. Times like this I do appreciate Gibby. He is pretty steady eddy with these guys and has a fatherly even keel to avoid the panic. He and the coaches need to help this kid get it going. As much as he is making me crazy right now, I think they will.

 

Agree.... I believe he will sort it out and pitch like a No. 1 when we most need it. If he doesn't.... f*** it.

[Stangstag]

Some good comments from Stroman in that article. There's still 4 months left in the season, lots of time for him to figure it out and pitch like his 2014 self.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Still say Shanchez not only used his training this off season, but stole his MOJO too!!!

 

Something is off with him, but is this not also the longest look us and the league has had of him in a season to?

[Stangstag]

Still say Shanchez not only used his training this off season, but stole his MOJO too!!!

 

Something is off with him, but is this not also the longest look us and the league has had of him in a season to?

 

No, he pitched for like 5 months in 2014.

[THANOS]

No, he pitched for like 5 months in 2014.

 

The control, pitch mix, and spin rate on the breaking stuff was much better in 2014. I the the 2SM reliance and f***ed with the effectiveness/command of his other pitches.

[burlingtonbandit]

The control, pitch mix, and spin rate on the breaking stuff was much better in 2014. I the the 2SM reliance and f***ed with the effectiveness/command of his other pitches.

 

His command was fine last year using the same pitch usage. You can't actually believe him throwing a 2 seam makes his other pitches and command worse do you?

 

He's struggling but its ridiculous to say his overall command has worsened because he throws a sinker.

[THANOS]

His command was fine last year using the same pitch usage. You can't actually believe him throwing a 2 seam makes his other pitches and command worse do you?

 

He's struggling but its ridiculous to say his overall command has worsened because he throws a sinker.

 

Well Tabler seems to feel it has. He believes the reliance on his sinker with the spin off the side of his hand could be affecting his breaking balls.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/baseball-central-whats-wrong-stroman/

 

He also said his landing foot has been inconsistent which could be messing with his control, and he'd like to see him use more high 4SM and breaking balls.

Edited June 6, 2016 by THANOS

[BigCecil]

Well Tabler seems to feel it has. He believes the reliance on his sinker with the spin off the side of his hand could be effecting his breaking balls.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/baseball-central-whats-wrong-stroman/

 

He also said his landing foot has been inconsistent which could be messing with his control, and he'd like to see him use more high 4SM and breaking balls.

 

Tabby drives me fking bonkers but he isn't wrong here. For once he isn't talking BS platitudes.

 

Just go back to the links from You Tube I posted of 2014 Stro (and/or just look at fangraphs) compared to 2015-16. 2014 was over 20 starts. 2015 he was good, but the league had figured out that part of his game by the Texas series in the playoffs. Now he needs to adjust. Its that simple. His GB% is continuously dropping. They are just laying off until he gets a ball up or they are taking their BBs. He can do this. I have no doubt that he has the pitches and the talent. Between Walker, Stro and Martin they have to figure this out and they will.

[KingKat]

Well Tabler seems to feel it has. He believes the reliance on his sinker with the spin off the side of his hand could be effecting his breaking balls.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/baseball-central-whats-wrong-stroman/

 

He also said his landing foot has been inconsistent which could be messing with his control, and he'd like to see him use more high 4SM and breaking balls.

 

Not to be a dick but what does Tabler know about pitching?

[Krylian]

Not to be a dick but what does Tabler know about pitching?

 

What do any of us know about pitching?

[THANOS]

Tabby drives me fking bonkers but he isn't wrong here. For once he isn't talking BS platitudes.

 

Just go back to the links from You Tube I posted of 2014 Stro (and/or just look at fangraphs) compared to 2015-16. 2014 was over 20 starts. 2015 he was good, but the league had figured out that part of his game by the Texas series in the playoffs. Now he needs to adjust. Its that simple. His GB% is continuously dropping. They are just laying off until he gets a ball up or they are taking their BBs. He can do this. I have no doubt that he has the pitches and the talent. Between Walker, Stro and Martin they have to figure this out and they will.

 

Spot on man. I'm surprised it came out of Tabler's mouth since I was expecting him to say, "He just needs to keep locating that great sinker low in the zone and he'll come out of it".

 

Not to be a dick but what does Tabler know about pitching?

 

Did you watch the video? I would normally agree with you, but the insight he gave here was logically sound.

[KingKat]

What do any of us know about pitching?

 

Did you watch the video? I would normally agree with you, but the insight he gave here was logically sound.

 

Yes but since we're not pitching expects and don't actually understand this, we can easily be duped by something that is "logically sound". Sure it sounds good. I don't disagree with that but I'm not aware that Tabler has any real expertise in this matter and since I don't have any either, I'm in no position to take this at face value.

[HERPDERP]

I'm getting a bit annoyed with all the spiritual and motivation quotes that Stroman keeps throwing out after s***** outings. Reminds me of Romero during his prime shitballing days.

[THANOS]

Yes but since we're not pitching expects and don't actually understand this, we can easily be duped by something that is "logically sound". Sure it sounds good. I don't disagree with that but I'm not aware that Tabler has any real expertise in this matter and since I don't have any either, I'm in no position to take this at face value.

 

Well, he did preface his arguments by saying, "from the people in this organization I spoke with.." so maybe some of what he's saying is coming from someone who would know more?

[KingKat]

I'm getting a bit annoyed with all the spiritual and motivation quotes that Stroman keeps throwing out after s***** outings. Reminds me of Romero during his prime shitballing days.

 

I highly recommend not following athletes on social media.