John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[Professional Hitter]

Remember when Cito went from being a God in '92 & 93. To really sucking in '94?

 

I wonder what happened?

 

too many cheeseburgers in the offseason.

[intentional wok]

Not only does Sanchez not K very many hitters, but Simmons is one of the best in the league at making contact. Sanchez is an extreme GB pitcher, and Simmons hits the ball on the ground 55% of the time. Infield has no choice but to be brought in.

 

How on earth is there not someone on the coaching staff who says "Hey John, this might not be a good idea".

 

I've told bosses tons of times that some s*** we're going to do isn't a good idea. It doesn't really change much if the guy's already made up his mind, though.

 

Actually, what I find interesting is the mound visit. Looked completely like Osuna was going to come in, but Gibby seemed to want Sanchez to convince him to not make that decision.

[Professional Hitter]

I've told bosses tons of times that some s*** we're going to do isn't a good idea. It doesn't really change much if the guy's already made up his mind, though.

 

Actually, what I find interesting is the mound visit. Looked completely like Osuna was going to come in, but Gibby seemed to want Sanchez to convince him to not make that decision.

 

Do you think that he was trying to use him for 2 to get him ready for that type of situation in the playoffs? I just don't understand why he would try that risky strategy when it failed just two games ago when he has so much depth in his bp. Maybe I'm overthinking it and just need to chalk it up to "Gibby gonna Gibby".

[L54]

I've told bosses tons of times that some s*** we're going to do isn't a good idea. It doesn't really change much if the guy's already made up his mind, though.

 

Actually, what I find interesting is the mound visit. Looked completely like Osuna was going to come in, but Gibby seemed to want Sanchez to convince him to not make that decision.

 

My issue is all the information they need to make a decision like that is literally at their finger tips. Not only that, it's something the coaching staff should be aware of anyway.

 

I don't even find myself that critical of Gibbons. But that at bat is 100% a product of a coaching staff that was unprepared.

[Stangstag]

I usually disagree with you guys on Gibby, but tonight I think he cost us the game.

 

- Leaving in Sanchez for another inning when it backfired against the Yankees 3 days ago

 

- Not walking Simmons to load the bases and have a force-out at home

 

I mean our team definitely should have scored more runs, but these are 2 huge mistakes that cost us the game.

[Trouba95]

#FireGibby

[EMK19]

Do you think that he was trying to use him for 2 to get him ready for that type of situation in the playoffs? I just don't understand why he would try that risky strategy when it failed just two games ago when he has so much depth in his bp. Maybe I'm overthinking it and just need to chalk it up to "Gibby gonna Gibby".

 

If I had to make a guess, if anything, I think maybe not bringing Osuna in there was in order to preserve Osuna's confidence as a closer, since that situation looked very bleak already. Definitely wouldn't be good for his psyche to have a team walk off on him, especially since he also had that blown save recently.

Edited September 16, 2015 by EMK19

[art_vandelay275]

This too is the problem I have with the game and how it's much harder to stomach. I get that you can't win them all and that sometimes your bat goes cold, yes even against a team that has lost 12 straight at home, against pitcher like Teheran (or Morgan). I get that it's all part of baseball. But the fundamental thing that as a manager you have to do is to put your players in the position to succeed. Unless Gibbons said that he wanted a GB over a K, I have no ideas what he was thinking when he left Sanchez in. Bourn was up next and he's hard to double up, etc. So all in all, GB/DP is hard to pull off

 

If he brought Osuna in and he couldn't hold it, it'll be easier for me to stomach - Chalk it up to it's baseball, Yanks loose, have a couple of more cold ones, call it a night and let's get 'em tomorrow. But in this case here, Gibbons took the game away from their players and it sucks!!

 

And then to hear his PG comments giving credit to the Braves - No moron, you mismanaged the game and took the ball out of your players' hands

 

 

My issue is all the information they need to make a decision like that is literally at their finger tips. Not only that, it's something the coaching staff should be aware of anyway.

 

I don't even find myself that critical of Gibbons. But that at bat is 100% a product of a coaching staff that was unprepared.

[Chappy]

too many cheeseburgers in the offseason.

 

Cito was a gas can.

[Chappy]

My issue is all the information they need to make a decision like that is literally at their finger tips. Not only that, it's something the coaching staff should be aware of anyway.

 

I don't even find myself that critical of Gibbons. But that at bat is 100% a product of a coaching staff that was unprepared.

 

If Gibbons reacted to every situation based on stats, he would wreck the pen. I get that this loss was frustrating, but calling anyone into the game at that point still would have had the odds stacked against us.

[Stangstag]

Its also not like we are short on good relievers either. I mean its a tie game, go with Hendriks or Hawkins.

 

Gibbons is not a good manager. At best he is an average manager,

 

Agree, he's average. Not bad, not good. Probably ranks mid-pack out of current MLB managers.

[JFD]

overall he's probably average but when it comes to BP management he's way below average.. damn near incompetent.

[Stangstag]

overall he's probably average but when it comes to BP management he's way below average.. damn near incompetent.

 

Nope

[Trouba95]

Nope

 

Yes.

[Trouba95]

We should throw up a poll on whether Gibby is a good or poor manager.

[Maahfaace]

We should throw up a poll on whether Gibby is a good or poor manager.

 

I wonder which way you will vote....

[Maahfaace]

If Gibbons reacted to every situation based on stats, he would wreck the pen. I get that this loss was frustrating, but calling anyone into the game at that point still would have had the odds stacked against us.

 

I concur. The smoak missed pick is the taco bell that began this s*** squirts of an inning.

[CHRIS]

I think it's easy enough to see what Gibbons was trying to do; get an extra inning out of Sanchez to extend the amount of time his top relievers are in the game. If Smoak is able to make that pick, perhaps the whole inning goes differently.

 

That said, I would be very surprised if they try Sanchez for two innings again in a close game again as the last two times have not worked out. For all the flak Gibbons get around his bullpen management, I think he generally does a good job of finding the balance between not overreacting to a single outcome and going too long with a situation that isn't working.

[TheHurl]

Honestly in most years Gibby would be a very legit candidate. But with three of the other four teams sitting in playoff spots being teams predicted to be well below the Jays, including the two worst teams in the AL last year...the other candidates are just too good of a story.

[Stangstag]

I think it's easy enough to see what Gibbons was trying to do; get an extra inning out of Sanchez to extend the amount of time his top relievers are in the game. If Smoak is able to make that pick, perhaps the whole inning goes differently.

 

That said, I would be very surprised if they try Sanchez for two innings again in a close game again as the last two times have not worked out. For all the flak Gibbons get around his bullpen management, I think he generally does a good job of finding the balance between not overreacting to a single outcome and going too long with a situation that isn't working.

 

Yeah. People overreact way too much. Gibby manages the pen fairly well. Sometimes he makes good decisions that backfire, sometimes he makes bad decisions that work out.

 

I personally don't think he should have let Sanchez go out for another inning, but its his decision.

[Stangstag]

Can't wait Till Gibby makes Sanchez pitch 2 innings vs the Rangers in the playoffs :-) only then ppl will see the light

 

I guarantee you Gibby never uses Sanchez for more than a single inning per game again.

[L54]

If Gibbons reacted to every situation based on stats, he would wreck the pen. I get that this loss was frustrating, but calling anyone into the game at that point still would have had the odds stacked against us.

 

I'm not advocating for each at-bat the bullpen faces to be match up based. That is impossible. But when the numbers are that extreme, someone should be aware of it. Who knows, maybe it was brought to Gibby's attention and he ignored it. If that is the case, that's inexcusable. No matter how you look at it, Sanchez vs Simmons with first base open and the infield in was probably the worst match up the Jays could've possibly put on the field. It just screams unprepared to me.

[pickoff22]

Why was fire Gibbons taking out of this thread

By calling this thread a venting thread its practically made every opinion and discussion in the thread of no consequence.

 

 

Why would any opinion be "of consequence"? Did you actually think a thread full of primarily illogical complaints about Gibby was actually going to get him fired? But now when executives from Rogers come to visit this board they'll simply skim over this thread and therefore Gibby will be managing the Jays for the next 2 decades?

[Stangstag]

Gibby is not a good manager, in other news water is wet.

 

Gibby is not a bad manager either

[intentional wok]

My issue is all the information they need to make a decision like that is literally at their finger tips. Not only that, it's something the coaching staff should be aware of anyway.

 

I don't even find myself that critical of Gibbons. But that at bat is 100% a product of a coaching staff that was unprepared.

 

They had Osuna prepped though. They knew what they were doing. They just didn't pull the trigger.

 

OTOH, prepping your closer is a pretty common thing to do in 9th inning jams. It's entirely possible Osuna warmed because he's Osuna and not because of any kind of K over GB tactic they were cooking up.

[King]

Then you and I shall dine like kings

 

S'up

[Sammy225]

Zing.

 

I knew there would be one downfall of the Jays being in contention. The amount of f***ing stupid people on here has taking a massive upswing and i just don't want to come here anymore.... But what else am i supposed to do at work lol.

[L54]

They had Osuna prepped though. They knew what they were doing. They just didn't pull the trigger.

 

OTOH, prepping your closer is a pretty common thing to do in 9th inning jams. It's entirely possible Osuna warmed because he's Osuna and not because of any kind of K over GB tactic they were cooking up.

 

Unprepared in the sense that someone on the staff should know "Andrelton Simmons makes a ton of contact. When he does, over half the time it's on the ground. Sanchez gets a ton of ground balls. Maybe Sanchez pitching to Simmons with the infield on the grass and the winning run on third isn't a good idea", not that they didn't have someone warming.

[BlueJays20xx]

Actually just thought about this, could Gibbons have called in all 3 of his OFers to play on the edge of the infield grass or very shallow OF? A Sac fly loses the game anyway so is there a point playing his OFers out there in that situation?

[TilsonBritoFan]

Any other manager besides Ned Yost this team has 90 wins already