Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 7 Thread: Max Scherzer vs Shohei Ohtani

[Stangstag]

6 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Cleveland also had a brutal one in 1997 losing a game 7 lead in the 9th and losing in the 11th due to a Tony Fernandez error.  Neither was quite as brutal as last night.  

Red Sox in 1986 was pretty brutal.  These things are remembered and add character to the franchise far more than 2023 Arizona Diamondbacks type season....

Unless you want to argue some of our guys will be messed up by this and we won't win until we phase a lot of these guys out. 

Dbacks were such a joke team, God. 

84 wins lol

[Angrioter]

Ty France Won 1B GG

[Jonn]

5 minutes ago, Angrioter said:

Ty France Won 1B GG

Did Clement win Utility Gold Glove?

[Governator]

I still can't articulate my thoughts after Game 7.  I'm just stunned how it all turned out.  Disappointed but also so damn proud of the team to play up to their abilities.  I think Dodgers heavily underperformed and we simply did our best.

[max silver]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

100%... 4 big gaffes off the top of my head, far too many. Bottom line, Jays didn't execute when needed but these type of mistakes make it that much harder. We should've won this series, f*ck!

This series is always going to haunt me as it honestly felt like the Blue Jays were the better team for the majority. Yamamoto deserves maximum props as he was the major difference maker for the Dodgers, but in the end it's always going to feel like the Blue Jays defeated themselves due to the lack of execution and mistakes, both by the manager and players.

[BuffaloJays]

A day later and it’s not any easier. This is one that’s going to stay with us for the rest of our lives. All the little things that could have happened that would have had us all celebrating and on cloud 9.

it really is just a cruel twist of fate. Dodgers fans got to have their moment last year. They’d be mad about losing but it doesn’t even compare to what we are all going through right now. 

[thatoneguy]

The Dodgers can eat sh*t.

[Ball4Life]

1 minute ago, thatoneguy said:

The Dodgers can eat sh*t.

Yeah, the bitter part of me can’t stand Ohtani and his smugness. The media gushing over him even though he was terrible in game 7 and probably a degenerate gambler. Which of course was neatly swept under the rug. The whole Dodger team won because of the Blue Jays beating themselves all series. Whatever.

[Governator]

The Dodgers won because we simply couldn't get a single damn timely hit or an ounce of luck.  I haven't looked at the stats, I'm not ready to look yet, but we left a million runners on base.

[bronson44]

2 minutes ago, Governator said:

The Dodgers won because we simply couldn't get a single damn timely hit or an ounce of luck.  I haven't looked at the stats, I'm not ready to look yet, but we left a million runners on base.

Yeah we lost it rather than them winning it and that's why it hurts so much more. Varsho, who I love, was especially bad the last 2 games. I think 0/13 and had a tonne of guys on base for him.

[abola2121]

4 minutes ago, bronson44 said:

Yeah we lost it rather than them winning it and that's why it hurts so much more. Varsho, who I love, was especially bad the last 2 games. I think 0/13 and had a tonne of guys on base for him.

Yeah, Devon White or Vernon Wells wouldn't have wasted those opportunities.

[Acemeister79]

Well, if ifs or buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have had a great weekend.   But one last time, IKF had best sell his talents elsewhere.  I've never been a baseball expert (but love this board), but a sprint across the plate would have turned history.   Not to be.  If Atkins re-signs him, all the slings and arrows cast towards the khakis are fully deserved.   Thanks for the in-game entertainment, all!

[SeranthonySantander]

Brett Gardner convinced himself sliding into first is faster, but then stat cast did a bit of analysis to show he likely loses about .1 seconds at least.   But these can't be perfect numbers.  They all had different average sprint speeds.

Maybe the only benefit really to sliding is you don't have to adjust your last couple steps to land on the plate

[bronson44]

2 hours ago, thatoneguy said:

The Dodgers can eat sh*t.

They could have at least just kicked the s*** out of us for four games lol. At least then we could say well f*** we got beat.

[thatoneguy]

1 minute ago, bronson44 said:

They could have at least just kicked the s*** out of us for four games lol. At least then we could say well f*** we got beat.

I really hope the CBA renewal/lockout puts an end to/limits all of this deferred salary BS.

[bronson44]

Ok yeah Yankee fans are far and away the worst. They are dunking like they didn't get their asses handed to them. What a toxic group

[bronson44]

I've officially landed on placing the majority of blame on IKF. Hoffman, the managers pitching choices, Varsho's bat disappearing also were in the running but the worst was IKF. I don't care if he was told to do it but that lead was pathetic. The no secondary lead also pathetic. I saw a pic showing where he was even after Varsho hit a clear ground ball and he is in the same spot. Then a feet first slide into home? Do you feet first slide into first? Either run through the bag or a head first slide so you can reach out those fingers. He got way too much run in this series. I never want to see him again.

[Fastball21]

Yeah I'm in the same boat, I get being told to be careful and not get doubled off but to just stand there and do nothing is so mind boggling , take a step, two feet set yourself up, but anyway like the Leafs here we are, it's not that we lost but how, a stupid mistake, if they don't make it back I'll see that play in my grave. Lol Peace out until next season, thanks for the fun. 😁😁👍👍👌👌

[jaysblue]

Still processing everything from this past weekend and past month and probably will over the next week as well. 

Feeling like it's starting to hit me more now than Saturday night. Realizing how close the Jays were, how many inches they were from potentially winning the World Series. 

You hope they get back again next season!

[Omar]

8 hours ago, Ball4Life said:

Yeah, the bitter part of me can’t stand Ohtani and his smugness. The media gushing over him even though he was terrible in game 7 and probably a degenerate gambler. Which of course was neatly swept under the rug. The whole Dodger team won because of the Blue Jays beating themselves all series. Whatever.

 

[Brownie19]

7 hours ago, bronson44 said:

I've officially landed on placing the majority of blame on IKF. Hoffman, the managers pitching choices, Varsho's bat disappearing also were in the running but the worst was IKF. I don't care if he was told to do it but that lead was pathetic. The no secondary lead also pathetic. I saw a pic showing where he was even after Varsho hit a clear ground ball and he is in the same spot. Then a feet first slide into home? Do you feet first slide into first? Either run through the bag or a head first slide so you can reach out those fingers. He got way too much run in this series. I never want to see him again.

You understand there's no rule that says you have to blame someone.  

The game of baseball is deep in my soul.  I played it, I coach it, I follow it.  Baseball is the greatest game on earth, but it will also rip your heart out.  Everyone in that organization played their heart out, but sometimes the best team doesn't win.  It doesn't feel fair, but it happens.  

Trying to pinpoint this on the shoulders of a few is meaningless.  What about our inability to add the tact on run in the 8th?  I think baseball is the only sport that criticizes moves and players to this point.  The only comparable I can think of is the play call in the Seahawks/Patriots super bowl.  

[SeranthonySantander]

9 hours ago, bronson44 said:

They could have at least just kicked the s*** out of us for four games lol. At least then we could say well f*** we got beat.

We would have been like 95% to win with 1 out in the top of the 9th.  85% on scoring 1 run with bases loaded 1 out.  That is 1/133 we blow both those opps.  Going up 3-0 and losing 4 in a row would have been better.

But there was also a few dozen other things that broke our way this playoffs like Hoffman holding it together, getting those 2 good games from Trey when he had been shaky in half his starts and winning the snell games.  I don't think we were even odds on favourites in more than maybe 3/18 the games that we played all October.  The pitching matchups basically were never in our favour, wouldn't be surprised if only the Gausman games against Seattle are the 2 where we would have been favourites.

[bronson44]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

You understand there's no rule that says you have to blame someone.  

The game of baseball is deep in my soul.  I played it, I coach it, I follow it.  Baseball is the greatest game on earth, but it will also rip your heart out.  Everyone in that organization played their heart out, but sometimes the best team doesn't win.  It doesn't feel fair, but it happens.  

Trying to pinpoint this on the shoulders of a few is stupid.  What about our inability to add the tact on run in the 8th?  I think baseball is the only sport that criticizes moves and players to this point.  The only comparable I can think of is the play call in the Seahawks/Patriots super bowl.  

I know. I'm just processing and going through phases. I'm at anger. Feel free to place your own blame. If anywhere this should be a place to vent. We deserve to. That was probably the hardest loss to swallow in the history of the franchise. It doesn`t make you stupid or less of a fan for letting out your frustration.

[Brownie19]

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[Laika]

The statistical improbability of losing game 7, game 6, and the 18 inning game, the way that it happened, with those specific events happening, is staggering. 

So staggering that I now believe in a higher power. I am no longer an Atheist. 

God exists and he hates the Blue Jays. 

[mphenhef]

I'm just thankful we didn't lose in 7 in 1992 or 1993.  11 and 12 year old me would NOT have been able to handle a loss like this.

[Fastball21]

26 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

You understand there's no rule that says you have to blame someone.  

The game of baseball is deep in my soul.  I played it, I coach it, I follow it.  Baseball is the greatest game on earth, but it will also rip your heart out.  Everyone in that organization played their heart out, but sometimes the best team doesn't win.  It doesn't feel fair, but it happens.  

Trying to pinpoint this on the shoulders of a few is stupid.  What about our inability to add the tact on run in the 8th?  I think baseball is the only sport that criticizes moves and players to this point.  The only comparable I can think of is the play call in the Seahawks/Patriots super bowl.  

With due respect I'm going to disagree with you, adding on runs is one thing but as a coach are you going to handicap your players in the biggest game in the biggest moment by telling the winning run on third to hug the base? I very much doubt it, as I said I don't mind losing but you just can't make a call like that, you just can't, the winning run is on third the game is tied, you have take a shot, if you get doubled off it's still tied and you live to fight again, not being combative but I think you get that, right? 

[Brownie19]

29 minutes ago, bronson44 said:

I know. I'm just processing and going through phases. I'm at anger. Feel free to place your own blame. If anywhere this should be a place to vent. We deserve to. That was probably the hardest loss to swallow in the history of the franchise. It doesn`t make you stupid or less of a fan for letting out your frustration.

I appreciate that.  Stupid was the wrong word.  I ought to have said it's impossible and/or unnecessary.  

You could point to upwards of 50 different events in that game that might have changed the outcome.  Pitch choice, pitch execution, umpires call, swing decisions, defensive positioning, etc.  There are so many different events that happened in an 11 inning game that could have allowed us to score, or prevent 1 more run.  

[hanton]

It's worth noting that all 3 runners were close to the bag, it might have been discussed before game 7

the rojas home run off Hoffman is where we lost this, this would be like Gimenez off Sasaki

[bronson44]

2 minutes ago, hanton said:

It's worth noting that all 3 runners were close to the bag, it might have been discussed before game 7

the rojas home run off Hoffman is where we lost this, this would be like Gimenez off Sasaki

The other runners better have been close. Their run means nothing so them getting doubled off would be egregious. You take more of a gamble with the runner at third. Not even a gamble, just get as far off as Muncy.