[ALDS GM 4] Blue Jays (Varland) vs Yankees (Schlittler): 10/8/25, 7:08pm

[Terminator]

3 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Substitute the Blue Jays for the Sox in this video:

 

Not in the mood for this defeatist attitude right now sorry

[Governator]

5 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Because even if a move gives you a 1% more chance at winning tonight, you do it.  We're in the ALDS ffs, this isnt some regular season game.  It's why every move is being analyzed under a microscope.  Thats the difference between winning/losing sometimes.  

Since you want to analyze everything:

Springer as DH 183 wRC+
Springer as RF 119 wRC+

[Stangstag]

1 minute ago, Terminator said:

Not in the mood for this defeatist attitude right now sorry

Redsox won the WS that year in the film FWIW. They actually had to re-write the ending lol

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

The fact you think those metrics are a good indicator to show who the better defender is exactly why you thought Kirk was a better baserunner than Moreno.  Use your eyes and some common sense ffs.  You watch so many baseball games and yet you think Santandar is a similar defender to Springer.  

Listen, meat... their both bad positionally, UZR do you know what that is? I do watch the games and have played the game at a competitive level and have forgotten more about this great game than you know. As for the hyperbole about Kirk and Moreno, you can shove that up your ass, I said at the time Kirk had a better BSR then him in like May or June of the year, ya bird. How'd that trade work out by the way? Idiot.

[Laika]

Varland 1.1 IP
Lauer 2.2 IP

all we need 

[G-Snarls]

7 minutes ago, max silver said:

There isn't any choice at this point as the team only has 3 starters on the roster presently.

Somewhere Alek Manoah is needlessly fuming that he didn't get selected when we all know he'd probably get blasted in New York tonight if he was pitching

[Stangstag]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

Listen, meat... their both bad positionally, UZR do you know what that is? I do watch the games and have played the game at a competitive level and have forgotten more about this great game than you know. As for the hyperbole about Kirk and Moreno, you can shove that up your ass, I said at the time Kirk had a better BSR then him in like May or June of the year, ya bird. How'd that trade work out by the way? Idiot.

That's probably due to the daily binge drinking Spank.

Sorry i couldn't help myself.

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

If there are injuries at play then sure... that will come out eventually so we can change our minds when presented with more information. 

Right now we assume everyone is good so Springer is EASILY the better defender.  Let's hope there isnt a ball hit that way where having 1 or 2 steps to the ball is the difference. 

What are you even basing this assertion on? George produced the literal worst defensive metrics in the outfield in the first half of the season and then barely played the outfield afterwards. That should speak volumes to you about what the team thinks of his outfield defense at this point of his career. 

[Masterbather]

4 minutes ago, Governator said:

Since you want to analyze everything:

Springer as DH 183 wRC+
Springer as RF 119 wRC+

I don't know how much those numbers really mean, he didn't play there a lot this year. 

Besides the concern with him playing right field and affecting his hitting I think is if he's doing it every day during the season. To jump in here and there during the postseason I don't think would have any great impact.

[Omar]

Well I was feeling okay about today's game until I started reading this gdt.  😒

[jaysblue]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

I do watch the games and have played the game at a competitive level and have forgotten more about this great game than you know. 

I'll strike you out Spanky everyday of the week. You can't catch up to my heater or hit my 12-6 curve! 

[Governator]

1 minute ago, Masterbather said:

I don't know how much those numbers really mean, he didn't play there a lot this year. 

Besides the concern with him playing right field and affecting his hitting I think is if he's doing it every day during the season. To jump in here and there during the postseason I don't think we have any great impact.

 

I agree with you, I'm saying why mess with a winning formula?  

[Masterbather]

1 minute ago, Omar said:

Well I was feeling okay about today's game until I started reading this gdt.  😒

Well if it makes you feel any better, baseball sometimes makes no sense at all, and if nothing else we can count on that.

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, Governator said:

 

I agree with you, I'm saying why mess with a winning formula?  

Except Santandar in RF wasn't part of our winning formula.  Im not saying put Springer there because hes a gold glover, hes just the better of the two. 

And if Springer was on a tear offensively this series, id say leave him be but hes not.  So go out there and help the team in every way possible. 

[max silver]

1 minute ago, Masterbather said:

Well if it makes you feel any better, baseball sometimes makes no sense at all, and if nothing else we can count on that.

We can only hope that tonight's game is one of those improbable games where the team pulls off an unexpected victory. If the middle relief can avoid handing the Yankees a bushel full of runs for the first time in the series I like their chances. 

[FierceBlueJay]

Haven't seen Hoffman in a high leverage situation with the jays in the playoffs. Remember he melted down against the mets last postseason. We know how enigmatic he is, 

[Brownie19]

16 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Because even if a move gives you a 1% more chance at winning tonight, you do it.  We're in the ALDS ffs, this isnt some regular season game.  It's why every move is being analyzed under a microscope.  Thats the difference between winning/losing sometimes.  

You really have no idea if it gives them a better chance to win or not.  It's nearly impossible for us to sit here and weigh the value of "slightly" worse defense in RF v. the potential benefit of Springer taking all of his at bats.  

Neither situation could play a role in this game, or one or the other could play a HUGE role in the outcome of this game.  Pretending you know the answer to that right now is dumb.

It isn't some obvious, glaring error that you need to dissect.  I'll warn you now - it's also such a coin flip that it isn't something you should be able to come back here and claim victory on if something doesn't go our way.  That's call hindsight and just because you picked one side of a coin and were right - doesn't mean the decision was wrong.  

[BlackCoffee]

I wonder if Santander will dive for a ball, miss and then stay laying on the ground again tonight? 

[Jonn]

28 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Why don't people consider Lauer a 4th starter?  He was as good as Bassitt this year (who isn't stretched out and coming off injury) and he was better than Max - especially over the last month.  

Just tell yourself this.  Lauer is starting, but they are using an opener.  Lauer deserves this start more than an injured Bassitt, Max or Berrios IMO.  He's been nails in several different roles all season long.

Lauer was a blessing this Season after Bowden Francis s*** the bed. But he is no longer streched out. Most of his recent outings have been an inning plus a batter or 2 and his results have been mixed out of the pen.

He’s also extremely prone to the long ball and is facing the best HR hitting team in this Mickey Mouse Stadium.

I can’t be the only who doesn’t like this matchup 

[Omar]

If the Jays are up by three runs or more and it is past the halfway point in the game ~ say the fifth inning mark I don't have a problem with bringing Gausman in to pitch out of the pen for two innings or more if it means closing this game down. Do what you can to win today and if not then go with Yesavage in game 5. 

[Governator]

Some of these conversations sound just like when I ask my grandma if she's been watching the Jays.

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

That's probably due to the daily binge drinking Spank.

Sorry i couldn't help myself.

Suck farts, crackhead.

[HomeRunHomer]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Possible. I remember he had a weird look on his face after hitting his homerun in game 162. I thought it was odd at the time. And he's been very reserved ever since.

There was also a quote from Davis Schneider before game 3 where he said something to the effect that the off day was good because Springer needs rest cause he's old.

Springer is definitely not at 100%

 

Edit for the actual tweet:

 

[Brownie19]

23 minutes ago, max silver said:

The issue with Lauer is that he isn't stretched out sufficiently to provide a typical start to the team. He's only pitched up to 40-50 pitches at most over the last month so all that could be expected of him would be 2-3 innings unless he manages to be super efficient recording outs. 

What were the chances Bassitt or Max were going to give you more than 40-50 pitches?   That probability was like 2%  

[Spanky__99]

21 minutes ago, Governator said:

Since you want to analyze everything:

Springer as DH 183 wRC+
Springer as RF 119 wRC+

Dude, can't analyze sh*t. Hah!

[Ryu In My House]

32 minutes ago, Laika said:

Lauer is a better matchup for NYY than Scherzer IMO. 

Lauer behind an opener is objectively a better option than trying to get innings out of Scherzer or Berrios. Probably also Bassitt, but he might have been hurt and not an option anyway. 

Whether it works or not is a different question. We are talking about picking your favourite dildo, here. Odds are they all hurt, just differently. 

Laurer is for sure better. Scherzer is washed, for one, and the Yankees typically bring 5+ lefties to the batting order.

[glory]

Tony had his breakout year in 2022. Since then...

as DH
80 wRC+, 581 PA

In the field
129 wRC+, 1602 PA

Maybe that means nothing, but since Springer seems to be the opposite (prefers being DH from the sounds of it), I think it's probably a reasonable decision to go with that alignment. As long as JS is ready for a defensive replacement late if necessary.

 

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Jonn said:

Lauer was a blessing this Season after Bowden Francis s*** the bed. But he is no longer streched out. Most of his recent outings have been an inning plus a batter or 2 and his results have been mixed out of the pen.

He’s also extremely prone to the long ball and is facing the best HR hitting team in this Mickey Mouse Stadium.

I can’t be the only who doesn’t like this matchup 

He's stretched out enough to give you 40-60 pitches.  Max or Bassitt wouldn't give you anymore.  Lauer is essentially just as prone to giving up the HR as Bassitt is and he's better than Max - so I have no idea what you're getting at.

Do I wish we had a better 4th starter than Lauer?  Yes - obviously I do, but he's as good of an option as this team has, so suggesting the team failed to carry a 4th starter is dumb.  Lauer is the 4th starter and he's as good of a bet to give us 3 innings as Bassitt or Max are.

[Jonn]

2 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

What were the chances Bassitt or Max were going to give you more than 40-50 pitches?   That probability was like 2%  

Considering they are built up for it they were your best bulk options. Or are you expecting who is exiting early based on who is getting pounded because Max in a full effort short stint is substituting better stuff than Lauer.

[Spanky__99]

18 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

I'll strike you out Spanky everyday of the week. You can't catch up to my heater or hit my 12-6 curve! 

You're such a wally, man.